Advice On Iron Problem (update on post 36)

[Golfspy_CG2]

I know we shouldn't seek advice from strangers on the internet. But I don't consider members here strangers. And besides you never know someone may have had the exact same issue.

So here it is.

My highly anticipated set of 565/765 came in on Friday.

Had a very brief chance to get to the grass range with them. And first shot with a Pw-Sh@$! , think ok thsts odd, next shot same and the next.

Stricken with panic I grab the 7 iron same thing blazing hosel rocket to the right. 5 iron same. Back to the PW with half swings. Same thing.

So I run inside and grab my SM6 50 degree. A club I hit very solid. Same thing. So at least I'm somewhat glad that the same thing was happening with another set.

So I was so frustrated and just gave up for the day.

So Saturday I had a big 27 hole team event. Due to down unforseen circumstances my warm-up time was cut very short. But I went out with the Srixon and the same thing happens.

I quickly went back in and switched out Back to my AP1. With one exception. O decided to take a chance and put the 765 PW in the bag.

I had not gotten to hit the Ap1 that morning either. But fortunately 25 or the 27 holes the irons were going as normal.

I did have 2 hosel rockets one with a 9 and one with the Srixon PW

So that's the backstory.

Here's some tech specs

Ap1 were 1/2 inch long and inadvertently ordered standard lie as opposed to my normal 2 degrees up. They have kbs your 90 in R flex.

Srixon are 1/2 long but were ordered 2 degrees up right. They have Nippon Modus 3 105 in R flex.

So I'm curious to here any thoughts.

Is it most likely swing related and I just need to work it out. If so any good drills for doing so.

If it is possibly equipment related. On what way and what suggestion do you have.

I did get to demo the srixon 765 in a stiffer heavier shaft for an entire round. So I know I can hit them.

Very perplexed right now.



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[Shankster]

I feel bad being the first person to reply... but try the box drill

 

 

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[Golfspy_CG2]

I feel bad being the first person to reply... but try the box drill

 

 

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Lol. Ha no worries. But what is the box still. I guess I'll you tube it.

 

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[Shankster]

Yeah. You set up a box about a half inch from your ball and take normal swings. It forces you to come down correctly or you hit the box instead.

 

 

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[Shankster]

Here's a link.

 

https://youtu.be/aWUfsegw-4g

 

 

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[Rusty1885]

Even if the new clubs are not set up for you, you should still see half way decent shot quality. It's simply all in your head. May be it's a new club and you don't want to put a scratch on the club face. There's nothing wrong with your swing. You are simply too excited to hit your new club.

[Philly Golf Guy]

Sounds to me like you're hitting a heavier shaft with 2 degrees difference with a swing that is used to your old iron configuration. Combine that with panic setting in with a few hosel shots and it's likely a combo of getting used to new irons and getting your arms out of the swing.

[Shankster]

what they said. I know sometimes I am a little timid to hit new clubs.

 

 

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[Golfspy_CG2]

Yeah Rusty and PGG. I'm sure there was some of that, excitement and trepidation about something new.

 

Getting the arms out of the swing is a big thing PGG. It is something that crept into my driver swing the past week that has been creating havoc in 3 rounds, after I had just played some solid gold the previous 2 weeks.

[Golfspy_CG2]

My long term plan for the summer is to find a new instructor and start working with him. The one I saw last year, I didn't really comprehend what he was trying to get me to do.

[mrsmith123]

I feel bad being the first person to reply... but try the box drill

 

 

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I have to disagree with the box drill. Teaches people to come too much from the inside, leads to flipping.

 

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[mrsmith123]

I know we shouldn't seek advice from strangers on the internet. But I don't consider members here strangers. And besides you never know someone may have had the exact same issue.

 

So here it is.

 

My highly anticipated set of 565/765 came in on Friday.

 

Had a very brief chance to get to the grass range with them. And first shot with a Pw-Sh@$! , think ok thsts odd, next shot same and the next.

 

Stricken with panic I grab the 7 iron same thing blazing hosel rocket to the right. 5 iron same. Back to the PW with half swings. Same thing.

 

So I run inside and grab my SM6 50 degree. A club I hit very solid. Same thing. So at least I'm somewhat glad that the same thing was happening with another set.

 

So I was so frustrated and just gave up for the day.

 

So Saturday I had a big 27 hole team event. Due to down unforseen circumstances my warm-up time was cut very short. But I went out with the Srixon and the same thing happens.

 

I quickly went back in and switched out Back to my AP1. With one exception. O decided to take a chance and put the 765 PW in the bag.

 

I had not gotten to hit the Ap1 that morning either. But fortunately 25 or the 27 holes the irons were going as normal.

 

I did have 2 hosel rockets one with a 9 and one with the Srixon PW

 

So that's the backstory.

 

Here's some tech specs

 

Ap1 were 1/2 inch long and inadvertently ordered standard lie as opposed to my normal 2 degrees up. They have kbs your 90 in R flex.

 

Srixon are 1/2 long but were ordered 2 degrees up right. They have Nippon Modus 3 105 in R flex.

 

So I'm curious to here any thoughts.

 

Is it most likely swing related and I just need to work it out. If so any good drills for doing so.

 

If it is possibly equipment related. On what way and what suggestion do you have.

 

I did get to demo the srixon 765 in a stiffer heavier shaft for an entire round. So I know I can hit them.

 

Very perplexed right now.

 

 

 

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Hit balls with your eyes closed man. When your brain can't get in the way and you have to trust your swing action you'll get the feel back. Hitting the hosel simply comes from losing your spine angle. It honestly means your weight is too much on your toes and your butt shifts in towards the ball too much. Feel yourself sitting on your heels and your pants are stuck to a wall behind you.

 

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[Shankster]

I have to disagree with the box drill. Teaches people to come too much from the inside, leads to flipping.

 

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Worked for me when I had a bout with my last name. But you are in more of a position to give tips than me being an assistant pro and all.

 

 

- Alan

[Kor.A.Door]

It is most likely a swing issue. I can tell you what my club pro told me that fixed it on the first swing. You are only missing the center of the face by maybe 1/2 inch or so. So you're not far away. My club pro told me to sit back on my heels during the swing, make it feel like you are really sitting on your heels. Then swing a normal swing. It fixed it very quickly. Ask a club pro if he has any thoughts. He may be able to help you with a tip. Good luck

[Golfspy_CG2]

Hit balls with your eyes closed man. When your brain can't get in the way and you have to trust your swing action you'll get the feel back. Hitting the hosel simply comes from losing your spine angle. It honestly means your weight is too much on your toes and your butt shifts in towards the ball too much. Feel yourself sitting on your heels and your pants are stuck to a wall behind you.

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It is most likely a swing issue. I can tell you what my club pro told me that fixed it on the first swing. You are only missing the center of the face by maybe 1/2 inch or so. So you're not far away. My club pro told me to sit back on my heels during the swing, make it feel like you are really sitting on your heels. Then swing a normal swing. It fixed it very quickly. Ask a club pro if he has any thoughts. He may be able to help you with a tip. Good luck

Thanks for these comments. I was wondering if I was too close to the ball causing the hosel contact. So I'll try shifting the weight back to the heels before I try moving my stance further away which is what I was going to try.

 

Burke, I might have to wait for the range to be completely empty before trying the eyes closed swing. Lol

[Shankster]

Thanks for these comments. I was wondering if I was too close to the ball causing the hosel contact. So I'll try shifting the weight back to the heels before I try moving my stance further away which is what I was going to try.

 

Burke, I might have to wait for the range to be completely empty before trying the eyes closed swing. Lol

I will say I found myself on my toes when I had my run in with them dirty b@$tards last summer.

 

 

- Alan

[Kor.A.Door]

I was middle of the fairway last year on the first hole, had 9 iron and hit it straight left off the hosel into the woods. Then did the same thing on the second hole. After we finished the round I was talking with our assistant pro and that's what he told me to do. He literally took 2 minutes to fix it.

[gaussman1]

You're probably early extending a bit (humping the barrel) so the hosel is getting there first but you need to get your lofts and lies checked. 1/2" long=1 deg up already so if they are +2 up from there this set is now 3 degrees up. That's an awful lot for most players.

 

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[mrsmith123]

Worked for me when I had a bout with my last name. But you are in more of a position to give tips than me being an assistant pro and all.

 

 

- Alan

Hey now, I used to be an assistant pro. Anyway, if it worked for you that's great. One thing it does do is rectify coming over the top for sure 👍

 

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[mrsmith123]

Thanks for these comments. I was wondering if I was too close to the ball causing the hosel contact. So I'll try shifting the weight back to the heels before I try moving my stance further away which is what I was going to try.

 

Burke, I might have to wait for the range to be completely empty before trying the eyes closed swing. Lol

Hey it actually works really well. Start at the chipping green feeling chip shots with your eyes closed. And on the practice tee start with some half shots. It took me about 45 minutes to get a true feel for my swing. But after that I was able to confidently hit full long irons with my eyes closed. Now it's a regular part of my warm up, I start every club with a few eyes closed.

 

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[Shankster]

Hey now, I used to be an assistant pro. Anyway, if it worked for you that's great. One thing it does do is rectify coming over the top for sure

 

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Used to be is good enough in my book Burke. Didn't mean anything by it other than you have more experience with teaching than me.

 

 

- Alan

[Rusty1885]

Yeah Rusty and PGG. I'm sure there was some of that, excitement and trepidation about something new.

Getting the arms out of the swing is a big thing PGG. It is something that crept into my driver swing the past week that has been creating havoc in 3 rounds, after I had just played some solid gold the previous 2 weeks.

I just went through this 2 weeks ago with my new apex cf16. I'm hitting it solid to ok on the range but first round with the irons it was a little wet. I hit one thin shots after another refusing to take a divots. Golf swing is automatic, when you try to steer it, bad things happen.

[Golfspy_CG2]

You're probably early extending a bit (humping the barrel) so the hosel is getting there first but you need to get your lofts and lies checked. 1/2" long=1 deg up already so if they are +2 up from there this set is now 3 degrees up. That's an awful lot for most players.

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These were the specs from my last iron fitting just over a year ago. I'm 6'5 and tend to have a bit of an OTT/steep swing.

 

So I just ordered of those specs.

[EthanSterlingPrice]

My first checkpoint would be making sure my weight is balanced on the balls of my feet at address. The human body is a neat design in that if it's slightly off balance it'll subconsciously correct itself to a point. Too much weight on the heels at address and during the swing the body corrects (tries at least) forward back to the balls of the feet shifting forward the rest of the body including the club exposing the hosel (you know what occurs). Too much on the toes and the body shifts backwards bringing the toe into play or if the player reaches for the ball to try and prevent this (something I'm prone to if I'm not careful) then the hosel comes in play again.

 

Apologies if I made that over technical but hope that helps a bit.

 

 

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[dang3rtown]

A little late to the convo and it seems like the real pros have already weighed in however, I have something that works for me, maybe it'll work for you too. Hit half swing shot. Just take that club back to 3 o'clock and swing through. Do that for about 10 balls, then maybe go to a 3/4 swing. Groove it for a while, nice and easy and then take a full swing. Small swing = simple swing, easy to get right!

[MDGolfHacker]

Drink more beer...then your body will loosen up and your swing will be working in no time  Of course I think I drank enough beer for the both of us this past weekend...lol

 

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[Golfspy_CG2]

A little late to the convo and it seems like the real pros have already weighed in however, I have something that works for me, maybe it'll work for you too. Hit half swing shot. Just take that club back to 3 o'clock and swing through. Do that for about 10 balls, then maybe go to a 3/4 swing. Groove it for a while, nice and easy and then take a full swing. Small swing = simple swing, easy to get right!

I guess I forgot to mention that in my OP, Yep that was one of the first things I tried actually. When that didn't work, is when panic sat in that something could really be off in the specs.

 

I'll get them out tofsy and make sure I've got my weight balanced as mentioned above.

[MDGolfHacker]

Were the shafts different? That and the added pressure of jumping into a tourney might of altered your swing in terms of tempo, swing characteristics etc. I'm sure it's just you getting used to them.

 

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[mrsmith123]

Used to be is good enough in my book Burke. Didn't mean anything by it other than you have more experience with teaching than me.

 

 

- Alan

Oh yeah no worries. I've spent many hours with all sorts of golfers. The easiest one to work with were those who actually would try to do what you tell them lol. Muscle memory is a b!tch to work around and if someone isn't willing to work on sustainable change then they are never gonna get better.

 

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[Golfspy_CG2]

Were the shafts different? That and the added pressure of jumping into a tourney might of altered your swing in terms of tempo, swing characteristics etc. I'm sure it's just you getting used to them.

 

MDGolfHacker

Same shafts as I demoed. Wasn't really thinking about the tournament on Friday. Just more the excitement of getting some swings in.

 

Most likely a set up issue as mentioned by others.

 

Will see what today brings If the rain allows.

 

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