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I use to play (last year) with a ping G20 (56 degree) sand wedge. I was always able on a 90 yd par 3 hole to land the ball in the middle of the green. For Christmas my wife bought me a Cleveland rtx 3.0 (also 56). Using that wedge I can't get the ball on the green (and of course this is a water hole - so I'm filling up the pond with golf balls). Rough guess is that I'm short about 15 yds.

 

Is this psychological or could there that much difference. BTW in both cases I use a short tee.

 

I haven't done an actual yardage test on our practice holes but I guess that's next.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

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I had a GW 51° for my TM set that I was hitting 120, bought a 52° wedge which was only 1° weaker and I couldn't hit it over 110. So I lost roughly 10 yards from the set to the "specialty" wedge. The face and tech is probably hotter in the Ping than the blade Cleveland wedge. Was your G20 consistently 90 or did you hit it farther/shorter on occasion? You'll find that the Cleveland is probably darn close to the same speed across the face. If you didn't get the occasional jumper with the Ping, the loft could be less than the set says, or more on the Cleveland.

 

Best way is to test from your green light for that club. Or get on a launch monitor. You could have the lofts checked too.

 

Good luck. Just don't swing harder with the Cleveland. Same smooth swing as the Ping. And accelerate through the ball.

 

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My guess is that your RTX spins a lot more than your old G20 as well. Shankster is right as well about the face being a little hotter as well. Plus CG was probably super low to get that thing up in the air.

 

 

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Same bounce?   Like others have said probably a spin think.   More spin equals more height and possibly less distance.

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I agree about the spin, but there could be a big difference in the shafts.  I am assuming that the Cleveland is steel shaft, since I haven't seem one in graphite.  Are your G20's graphite?  My i20's are.  Since you are my age, I know I don't hit steel shafted clubs as far as graphite.  Even if both clubs are graphite or steel, I would be willing to bet that the G20 has a softer flex, being part of a set.

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The RTX-3 wedges generate a lot of spin from what I've seen. Test besides each other and really see if that's the case.

 

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I use to play (last year) with a ping G20 (56 degree) sand wedge. I was always able on a 90 yd par 3 hole to land the ball in the middle of the green. For Christmas my wife bought me a Cleveland rtx 3.0 (also 56). Using that wedge I can't get the ball on the green (and of course this is a water hole - so I'm filling up the pond with golf balls). Rough guess is that I'm short about 15 yds.

 

Is this psychological or could there that much difference. BTW in both cases I use a short tee.

 

I haven't done an actual yardage test on our practice holes but I guess that's next.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

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Possibly a few things. Lower cg and less forgiving then your g20, increased spin, but I'd throw in the weight. The rtx is probably a heavier swing weight, overall weight vs the g20.

 

 

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My TM M2 set has a a AW at 49* and I bought a Cleveland RTX 2.0 that is 50* and for 1 degree of difference its about 110 w TM and 90 with the Cleveland. So Id say what you're experiencing is normal to me. 

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Go back to the Ping! That would be my thought. :)

 

I've always noticed significant difference between wedges of different brands and similar characteristics. I'm sure that weight has a lot to do with it.

 

Of course I don't know how the wedges are performing for the rest of your game but personally I would never eliminate a wedge that was working.

 

 

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Set gap wedges and sand wedges, especially from game improvement sets, will have much different launch characteristics than aftermarket bladed wedges of the same loft, most likely a hotter face, more launch and less spin. This would almost always lead the set wedges to go further than a bladed wedge of the same loft

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Check the lofts on both. Stated lofts are OFTEN off. If the ping is 2* strong and the Cleveland is 2* weak... I checked every club i own a while back and only a few were actually right. +/-

 

 

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You can check them yourself, relative to each other. Hold the faces onto a flat surface (kitchen counter maybe) and see if the shaft angles match. Make sure your holding them so they have the same lie. It won't tell you what the loft is, but you'll know if one is stronger than the other.

 

 

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You can check them yourself, relative to each other. Hold the faces onto a flat surface (kitchen counter maybe) and see if the shaft angles match. Make sure your holding them so they have the same lie. It won't tell you what the loft is, but you'll know if one is stronger than the other.

 

 

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While I agree different lofts would cause this issue - I believe this is simply an issue of Game Improvement Set Wedge vs. bladed wedge.

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Great feedback everyone. So the spin comment is interesting - as someone I was playing with commented on how my ball came to a dead stop on the green (using Cleveland wedge).

 

Also as an FYI my pitching wedge is a Ping and when I use it on that hole even with a shortened swing or gripping down on the club I go past the green (small green surround 270 degrees by water)

 

So for now when I'm playing in the league I'll carry 2 sand wedges (would make it 13 clubs) with one dedicated the that hole .

 

 

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So an update after playing 18 today. The Ping is longer then he Cleveland by about 5-10 yards but the Cleveland had more backspin. So the Ping stays in the bag with the Cleveland! Not sure why there is a difference since both are 56 degree but I guess it doesn't matter as long as I know which club to use when.

 

 

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Cobra  Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*

Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts 

:titelist-small: SM7 54* Wedge

:ping-small: Glide 3.0  60* Wedge

:odyssey-small: O Works putter

:ShotScope: V3
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Perfect - this way you can throw one in a pond and not miss it! :)

 

 

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Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

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Perfect - this way you can throw one in a pond and not miss it! :)

 

 

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Hahaha been tempted to do that many times!

 

 

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:taylormade-small:SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft 

Cobra  Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft
:ping-small:  410  Hybrids 22*, 26*

Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts 

:titelist-small: SM7 54* Wedge

:ping-small: Glide 3.0  60* Wedge

:odyssey-small: O Works putter

:ShotScope: V3
:918457628_PrecisionPro:NX9-HD

:CaddyTek: - 4 Wheel 

EZGO TXT 48v cart
:footjoy-small: - too many shoes to list and so many to buy

:1590477705_SunMountain: And  BAG Boy

Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 

2020 Official Teste:SuperSpeed: Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

2019 Official Tester :ping-small:  410 Driver

2018 Official Tester :wilson-small: C300

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