tony@CIC Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I use to play (last year) with a ping G20 (56 degree) sand wedge. I was always able on a 90 yd par 3 hole to land the ball in the middle of the green. For Christmas my wife bought me a Cleveland rtx 3.0 (also 56). Using that wedge I can't get the ball on the green (and of course this is a water hole - so I'm filling up the pond with golf balls). Rough guess is that I'm short about 15 yds. Is this psychological or could there that much difference. BTW in both cases I use a short tee. I haven't done an actual yardage test on our practice holes but I guess that's next. Thoughts? Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I had a GW 51° for my TM set that I was hitting 120, bought a 52° wedge which was only 1° weaker and I couldn't hit it over 110. So I lost roughly 10 yards from the set to the "specialty" wedge. The face and tech is probably hotter in the Ping than the blade Cleveland wedge. Was your G20 consistently 90 or did you hit it farther/shorter on occasion? You'll find that the Cleveland is probably darn close to the same speed across the face. If you didn't get the occasional jumper with the Ping, the loft could be less than the set says, or more on the Cleveland. Best way is to test from your green light for that club. Or get on a launch monitor. You could have the lofts checked too. Good luck. Just don't swing harder with the Cleveland. Same smooth swing as the Ping. And accelerate through the ball. - Alan Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 My guess is that your RTX spins a lot more than your old G20 as well. Shankster is right as well about the face being a little hotter as well. Plus CG was probably super low to get that thing up in the air. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Same bounce? Like others have said probably a spin think. More spin equals more height and possibly less distance. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I agree about the spin, but there could be a big difference in the shafts. I am assuming that the Cleveland is steel shaft, since I haven't seem one in graphite. Are your G20's graphite? My i20's are. Since you are my age, I know I don't hit steel shafted clubs as far as graphite. Even if both clubs are graphite or steel, I would be willing to bet that the G20 has a softer flex, being part of a set. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 The RTX-3 wedges generate a lot of spin from what I've seen. Test besides each other and really see if that's the case. MDGolfHacker What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireinthehole Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 I use to play (last year) with a ping G20 (56 degree) sand wedge. I was always able on a 90 yd par 3 hole to land the ball in the middle of the green. For Christmas my wife bought me a Cleveland rtx 3.0 (also 56). Using that wedge I can't get the ball on the green (and of course this is a water hole - so I'm filling up the pond with golf balls). Rough guess is that I'm short about 15 yds. Is this psychological or could there that much difference. BTW in both cases I use a short tee. I haven't done an actual yardage test on our practice holes but I guess that's next. Thoughts? Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Possibly a few things. Lower cg and less forgiving then your g20, increased spin, but I'd throw in the weight. The rtx is probably a heavier swing weight, overall weight vs the g20. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy My Mixed-Bag: Driver: Mavrik Sub zero, ventus black 7x Fairway: Still looking! Irons: MP-18 MB 4-PW Wedges: Miura K Grinds Putter: Evnroll 1.2 blade Ball: Z star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 My TM M2 set has a a AW at 49* and I bought a Cleveland RTX 2.0 that is 50* and for 1 degree of difference its about 110 w TM and 90 with the Cleveland. So Id say what you're experiencing is normal to me. Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Go back to the Ping! That would be my thought. I've always noticed significant difference between wedges of different brands and similar characteristics. I'm sure that weight has a lot to do with it. Of course I don't know how the wedges are performing for the rest of your game but personally I would never eliminate a wedge that was working. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Set gap wedges and sand wedges, especially from game improvement sets, will have much different launch characteristics than aftermarket bladed wedges of the same loft, most likely a hotter face, more launch and less spin. This would almost always lead the set wedges to go further than a bladed wedge of the same loft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesmandan76 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 Check the lofts on both. Stated lofts are OFTEN off. If the ping is 2* strong and the Cleveland is 2* weak... I checked every club i own a while back and only a few were actually right. +/- Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Driver: TM M1 9.5* 4W: Wishon bent FLAT Irons: Mizuno MP20MB Wedges: 50/55/60 Mizuno Putter: Evnroll ER2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesmandan76 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 You can check them yourself, relative to each other. Hold the faces onto a flat surface (kitchen counter maybe) and see if the shaft angles match. Make sure your holding them so they have the same lie. It won't tell you what the loft is, but you'll know if one is stronger than the other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Driver: TM M1 9.5* 4W: Wishon bent FLAT Irons: Mizuno MP20MB Wedges: 50/55/60 Mizuno Putter: Evnroll ER2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 You can check them yourself, relative to each other. Hold the faces onto a flat surface (kitchen counter maybe) and see if the shaft angles match. Make sure your holding them so they have the same lie. It won't tell you what the loft is, but you'll know if one is stronger than the other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk While I agree different lofts would cause this issue - I believe this is simply an issue of Game Improvement Set Wedge vs. bladed wedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numberonecoog Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 IT could also be a shaft issue. The wedge flex of the cleveland vs the flex you have in the g20 Check out my personal Equipment Blog and Podcast! Huntingforbirdies.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 Great feedback everyone. So the spin comment is interesting - as someone I was playing with commented on how my ball came to a dead stop on the green (using Cleveland wedge). Also as an FYI my pitching wedge is a Ping and when I use it on that hole even with a shortened swing or gripping down on the club I go past the green (small green surround 270 degrees by water) So for now when I'm playing in the league I'll carry 2 sand wedges (would make it 13 clubs) with one dedicated the that hole . Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 So an update after playing 18 today. The Ping is longer then he Cleveland by about 5-10 yards but the Cleveland had more backspin. So the Ping stays in the bag with the Cleveland! Not sure why there is a difference since both are 56 degree but I guess it doesn't matter as long as I know which club to use when. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Perfect - this way you can throw one in a pond and not miss it! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Perfect - this way you can throw one in a pond and not miss it! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Hahaha been tempted to do that many times! Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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