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Looking at the print out, it seems that you have a very big arc with your putter, it's seems to me that you would benefit from a full toe hang putter it will promote the type of arc you have. A 1/4 toe hang doesn't look like it allows enough arc for your stroke, a face balanced putter wants to promote a SBST stroke, so you would struggle to get square at impact. A couple photos look like the putter was closed at impact, and the impact also looks to be out toward the toe. I like the printouts it shows a really clear picture of the putting stroke

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I'm a young (30) clubfitter and my hcp is 9.

If you understand equipment and technology you can be a good fitter.

I have for hundreds of people successfully with zero complaints.

And I always pull the "try this" line.

When the ask what it is I say "don't worry about that just yet"

This ensures they swing as they normally would.

 

 

 

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Hi there... thanks for your input...   you have a putting instructor?  that's cool.  B)

 

the measurement was from the Scotty and not my putter but they were pretty close to the same.

I actually thought I was centering the ball on the line on the putter... I asked him why everything was going on the toe side and he wasn't sure.  Must've been my takeaway and follow through.

 

He didn't mention anything about adding weight to my current putter.  I think he wasn't really intending to slow down any rotation but more to try to fit to it.  

I think that's why he went with the the Newport 3 and the Odyssey #9....they have more "mass" in the toe so the face gets squared at impact instead of closed.

 

I do have a strong arc when I putt and as you can see in the output it really closes on the follow-through.

 

Curiously, though, he didn't mention changing the weights so that 10g is in the heel and 15g is in the toe.  Thought he might have tried that just to see what would happen.

 

Yes,  have a putting instructor who spent years doing stuff with the SAM.  Taught me a lot about putting and how the things you do influence the stroke.  Based on the choices i made,  we worked to find the ideal putter for me and my stroke.

 

The reason I mentioned setting up on the toe is that I looked at the face aim picture in your SAM report and the target line is outside the middle of the putter.    I think the "fix it" for the putter rotation was to slow it down so that it was in a better position at impact meaning not closed.  there are several ways to accomplish this and it isn't always about more weight in the toe;  it is just more weight.    having a more heel shafted putter is another way which is what your fitter did. 

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I'm a young (30) clubfitter and my hcp is 9.

If you understand equipment and technology you can be a good fitter.

I have for hundreds of people successfully with zero complaints.

And I always pull the "try this" line.

When the ask what it is I say "don't worry about that just yet"

This ensures they swing as they normally would.

 

 

 

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Valid point, but you better be prepared to explain at the end if the person is asking what you are trying to accomplish.   I also don;'t think it has anything to do with technology.  It is understanding the dynamics of equipment and the stroke.  Technology just makes it easier to identify.  As a fitter, do you fit the putter to the stroke or the stroke to the putter?  

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The longer this thread goes, the more ideas are being put in your head and soon enough you'll have done a second or third fitting, hired a putting instructor and bought three more affordable putters that equal the cost of the scotty they recommended. I speak from experience here - put blinders on, buy the exact Scotty they recommended be it on ebay or retail and get it adjusted. Then walk around with the thought in your head this is the exact putter I needed. You will spend less over time experimenting, and you'll have the mental advantage of that confidence that you bought the exact thing SAM told you to get.

 

 

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Yes,  have a putting instructor who spent years doing stuff with the SAM.  Taught me a lot about putting and how the things you do influence the stroke.  Based on the choices i made,  we worked to find the ideal putter for me and my stroke.

 

The reason I mentioned setting up on the toe is that I looked at the face aim picture in your SAM report and the target line is outside the middle of the putter.    I think the "fix it" for the putter rotation was to slow it down so that it was in a better position at impact meaning not closed.  there are several ways to accomplish this and it isn't always about more weight in the toe;  it is just more weight.    having a more heel shafted putter is another way which is what your fitter did. 

 

Appreciate the insight!  Thanks...

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I gues the question that I have is, Why would you question the fitter when he makes a change and says try this? Why do you need to know what it is supposed to do, you are paying him or her for their expertise, and then question everything they change, that doesn't make sense. What are you trying to accomplish at a putter fitting, for me, it would be putting the ball in the hole, I don't care what change the fitter makes as long as it helps put the ball in the cup. I'm just trying to figure out why you would question the fitter during the fitting, maybe at the end of the fitting to get an understanding but not during. If you are questioning what he is doing, maybe a fitting isn't the answer. Maybe going to different stores and fitting yourself is the answer, because i guarantee that the fitter doesn't want or need your opinion on what will work, that's the reason you are there. I don't mean to sound well mean, but it doesn't make sense to me to question anything the fitter is trying to do.

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The longer this thread goes, the more ideas are being put in your head and soon enough you'll have done a second or third fitting, hired a putting instructor and bought three more affordable putters that equal the cost of the scotty they recommended. I speak from experience here - put blinders on, buy the exact Scotty they recommended be it on ebay or retail and get it adjusted. Then walk around with the thought in your head this is the exact putter I needed. You will spend less over time experimenting, and you'll have the mental advantage of that confidence that you bought the exact thing SAM told you to get.

 

 

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I think you make some valid points, but I don't think there is an "exact" putter for a person.  I think that's what makes the putter unique and different from all of the other clubs in the bag.  I think that there is a particular style and the right length/loft/lie/headweight (which can be adjusted) but I think that a person can be successful with a number of different putters.

 

Trust me - if I had 400 dollars available there'd be no question - that Scotty would be in my bag.  Since it's a 2017 model there are very few used available for purchase and those that are want close to retail... It appears that the putter they recommended has this lineage: Del mar (2012/13/14) --> Golo 3 (2015/16)  --> Newport 3 (2017)....

Best I can find was a used Del Mar for 225.

I also asked the fitter for options beyond the Scotty that are more affordable and he suggested the Odyssey #9.  I can find a ton of those as they produced many versions...

A number of people compared the ProType black #9 to the Scotty DelMar and felt that the Odyssey had better feel and roll to it.  I can find one of those for half the price of the Scotty...

 

I'm not the type that has to have the "latest and greatest".... I don't care if it is a Scotty Cameron or a Fred Jones....  whatever gets it in the hole the quickest is all I care about... I didn't go get a fitting to figure out 'what Scotty Cameron putter is right for me', just to figure out the style/length/loft/lie/headweight is most appropriate.

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I gues the question that I have is, Why would you question the fitter when he makes a change and says try this? Why do you need to know what it is supposed to do, you are paying him or her for their expertise, and then question everything they change, that doesn't make sense. What are you trying to accomplish at a putter fitting, for me, it would be putting the ball in the hole, I don't care what change the fitter makes as long as it helps put the ball in the cup. I'm just trying to figure out why you would question the fitter during the fitting, maybe at the end of the fitting to get an understanding but not during. If you are questioning what he is doing, maybe a fitting isn't the answer. Maybe going to different stores and fitting yourself is the answer, because i guarantee that the fitter doesn't want or need your opinion on what will work, that's the reason you are there. I don't mean to sound well mean, but it doesn't make sense to me to question anything the fitter is trying to do.

 

Trust me ... I wasn't questioning him or his expertise.  I fully trusted he knew what he was doing...

 

Let me try to rephrase:

I hit my 7 putts with my putter before any adjustments.

We then looked at the monitor and reviewed the SAM lab results.

He mentioned a couple of things such as it looks like the face is staying closed throughout the entire swing, the ball is going directly into the ground instead of into the air when I hit it, etc.

He then made a couple of adjustments on the Mitchell machine.

He handed me the putter back and asked me to hit a few (without the SAM lab).

I hit a few and noticed something different - the ball wasn't coming up as short.

I then asked - what did you change?  What was the correction on the machine?

He said - "do you usually leave your putts short?" .... "yeah, typically that is what happens"... "oh, well, I adjusted the loft up so that you can still use your normal stance and stroke but it gets the ball rolling quicker.".... "nice!  I like that..."

 

I wasn't continually asking him 'why did you do this?' ... 'why did you do that?'... in an aggressive or interrogating fashion...

 

I did want to know what adjustments he was making; that's what I was paying for.

If I walked out of there without asking what changes were made/suggested or getting the SAM lab results and without ordering a putter I would have just spent $100 and not known what happened and it would have been a complete waste of time.

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After reading some more of this thread it sounds like the guy did make some useful adjustments to your putter. I guess the bottom line question is did you leave there knowing more about what you need in a putter than when you went in, and did he make some adjustments to your current putter that will help it perform better for you?

 

If the answer to both is yes, then maybe it was worth $100?

 

It sounds like you had to drag some of that info out of the guy, which is a pain, but do you ultimately feel as though you got the info that you needed?

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He didn't have any other recommendations other than Scotty's??

 

 

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Upon further inspection of the newport 3, Nevermind what I said and just get an odyssey 9 protype, tour series black designs, or metal x milled ;) lol. I just assumed it was some new conflagration of an anser or newport with a certain shaft bend. Didn't realize they just took the del Mar and called it a newport now

 

 

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After reading some more of this thread it sounds like the guy did make some useful adjustments to your putter. I guess the bottom line question is did you leave there knowing more about what you need in a putter than when you went in, and did he make some adjustments to your current putter that will help it perform better for you?

 

If the answer to both is yes, then maybe it was worth $100?

 

It sounds like you had to drag some of that info out of the guy, which is a pain, but do you ultimately feel as though you got the info that you needed?

 

I got the info I needed so I don't mind spending money for it .... however ... my point is -- relatively speaking/in comparison to other fittings that are 100.00 I think it was overpriced.

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He didn't have any other recommendations other than Scotty's??

 

 

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Sent him an email and asked him about the Del Mar or Golo 3 but he hasn't responded.  I also asked if he had any other Scotty's he'd recommend but haven't heard back.

 

I really hate when fitters fit you into brand new clubs....  I think that is one reason why I hesitate to go to fittings... If they said something like, well, Scotty Cameron has a new line of putters called Newport Select and the number 3 would be best or you can go with something a couple years older that is "x or y or z", then I'd be much happier.

 

Many many many many tests have been done that show clubs from 5 years ago compared to clubs today don't offer much more advantage - if any at all.

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Sent him an email and asked him about the Del Mar or Golo 3 but he hasn't responded. I also asked if he had any other Scotty's he'd recommend but haven't heard back.

 

I really hate when fitters fit you into brand new clubs.... I think that is one reason why I hesitate to go to fittings... If they said something like, well, Scotty Cameron has a new line of putters called Newport Select and the number 3 would be best or you can go with something a couple years older that is "x or y or z", then I'd be much happier.

 

Many many many many tests have been done that show clubs from 5 years ago compared to clubs today don't offer much more advantage - if any at all.

You could find the Ping, Cleveland, brand x, equivalent. And save yourself a few hundred.

 

 

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Trust me ... I wasn't questioning him or his expertise. I fully trusted he knew what he was doing...

 

Let me try to rephrase:

I hit my 7 putts with my putter before any adjustments.

We then looked at the monitor and reviewed the SAM lab results.

He mentioned a couple of things such as it looks like the face is staying closed throughout the entire swing, the ball is going directly into the ground instead of into the air when I hit it, etc.

He then made a couple of adjustments on the Mitchell machine.

He handed me the putter back and asked me to hit a few (without the SAM lab).

I hit a few and noticed something different - the ball wasn't coming up as short.

I then asked - what did you change? What was the correction on the machine?

He said - "do you usually leave your putts short?" .... "yeah, typically that is what happens"... "oh, well, I adjusted the loft up so that you can still use your normal stance and stroke but it gets the ball rolling quicker.".... "nice! I like that..."

 

I wasn't continually asking him 'why did you do this?' ... 'why did you do that?'... in an aggressive or interrogating fashion...

 

I did want to know what adjustments he was making; that's what I was paying for.

If I walked out of there without asking what changes were made/suggested or getting the SAM lab results and without ordering a putter I would have just spent $100 and not known what happened and it would have been a complete waste of time.

Ok, cool, I misread or misinterpreted the original post about the questions. It sounded to me that you were questioning what he was trying to accomplish. So, I'm sorry for that.

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Ok, cool, I misread or misinterpreted the original post about the questions. It sounded to me that you were questioning what he was trying to accomplish. So, I'm sorry for that.

 

 

Based on the more detailed explanation of the conversations,  it seems like there was some interaction but it was more forced.   

 

I guess I am spoiled by my instructor. We use the SAM to understand my putting stroke and not to identify the putter.  When I learned about the stroke and what I was doing,  we worked to find a putter that complimented what was doing during the stroke.   In the end I want more than a fitting,  I want to know what I am doing and how that impact the fitting.  Not everyone is like that and they just want to be handed the end result.  People are different and in my opinion  a fitter needs to cater to those differences.  

 

All in all I think this is a good thread to show that people have different ways to approach the same thing and what one person things is great another believes is lacking.  

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Sent him an email and asked him about the Del Mar or Golo 3 but he hasn't responded.  I also asked if he had any other Scotty's he'd recommend but haven't heard back.

 

I really hate when fitters fit you into brand new clubs....  I think that is one reason why I hesitate to go to fittings... If they said something like, well, Scotty Cameron has a new line of putters called Newport Select and the number 3 would be best or you can go with something a couple years older that is "x or y or z", then I'd be much happier.

 

Many many many many tests have been done that show clubs from 5 years ago compared to clubs today don't offer much more advantage - if any at all.

 

Do you know what the final loft of the putter was?   If so,  look at the specs for the newport 3 and find similar putters; there is no magic in the cameron or even the odyssey.  When trying putters,  find the one that lets you start the ball on intended line.  You can do a drill that my instructor had me do.  Put a dime about 16" in front of a ball and using various length strokes see if you can roll the ball over the dime.  There are some characteristics you can change,  but if you miss left,  add some weight and if you miss right lower the weight.  This will change how fast the putter rotates and help you get the ball started online. 

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Based on the more detailed explanation of the conversations, it seems like there was some interaction but it was more forced.

 

I guess I am spoiled by my instructor. We use the SAM to understand my putting stroke and not to identify the putter. When I learned about the stroke and what I was doing, we worked to find a putter that complimented what was doing during the stroke. In the end I want more than a fitting, I want to know what I am doing and how that impact the fitting. Not everyone is like that and they just want to be handed the end result. People are different and in my opinion a fitter needs to cater to those differences.

 

All in all I think this is a good thread to show that people have different ways to approach the same thing and what one person things is great another believes is lacking.

One of the reasons I struggle with fitting is that I know what I want and I know what I want the ball to do. I feel like I wouldn't have a good interaction with a fitter. If I were to go get fit for a putter or any club, I would need some duct tape on my mouth so I wouldn't try to interrupt what the fitter was trying to do. thats one reason I haven't really been fit for anything. On a side note, I also do my own club work especially grips, I've let others do it before and they were off a little, so I took them home a fixed them to what I want to see. As a lefty I don't know many righties that can put my grips on correctly.

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Just reading this thread more than a year later from its original post, and I’m curious: how has the OP’s scoring improved with this Cameron he had fit to his specs?  A fitting is something I’m considering, because I feel like I have a good stroke but am missing putts due to alignment and speed inconsistency.  Thank you!

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