Sluggo42 6,033 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Practice your putting. Just by not missing 2 or 3 putts within 4', and making one or two putts from 5-10 feet, you will instantly pick up 3 or 4 strokes that game. There are a million putting drills- try some Already a great putter? Then you probably are already a decent player... Great players who are great putters, are the low single digit guys 3 Quote MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever) Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4 ER3 34” ProV1x .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 shoes Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post cnosil 14,685 Posted July 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2017 This is one perspective and while the basics are fundamentally true it isn't a complete picture. Yes, taking fewer putts will always make your score lower but if my proximity to the hole was 10 feet closer on average I might also lower my score with the same putting success rate. Hitting more fairways, hitting more greens, better course management are all possible ways to lower scores. The book every stroke counts provides a statistical model that shows putting isn't where most strokes are lost. The way to lower scores is to improve all aspects of your game. Look at the big picture of how you play to determine the areas to prioritize. 12 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: Ten S Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
scooducks 299 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I think GIR is an overlooked stats in golf. The low digit guys are hitting at least 7-10 greens-in-reg every round, which means strokes gained off the tee become really important. If I can hit the ball long and straight off the tee, I'm probably going to hit the green. Being a great putter will help, but if you are sinking 5-10 footers for bogey/double bogey, your scores really aren't going to improve all that much. 5 Quote WITB: Driver: Taylormade M2 (2016) 10.5° | Fujikura Pro Stiff 60g Fairway: Taylormade Aeroburner 2.0 TP 16.5° | Diamana Whiteboard Stiff 80g Hybrid: Titleist 915h 21° | Diamana Blueboard Stiff 80g Driving Iron: Titleist 712U 3 Iron | Kuro Kage Stiff 70g Irons: Titleist AP2 714 4-PW | KBS Tour 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 50°/54°/58° Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2 | SuperStroke Mid Slim 2.0 Ball: Taylormade TP5x Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo42 6,033 Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 This is one perspective and while the basics are fundamentally true it isn't a complete picture. Yes, taking fewer putts will always make your score lower but if my proximity to the hole was 10 feet closer on average I might also lower my score with the same putting success rate. Hitting more fairways, hitting more greens, better course management are all possible ways to lower scores. The book every stroke counts provides a statistical model that shows putting isn't where most strokes are lost. The way to lower scores is to improve all aspects of your game. Look at the big picture of how you play to determine the areas to prioritize. What you say is totally true, my point was to emphasize one distinct area that can be applied to the majority of players, as opposed to the overall picture 4 Quote MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever) Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4 ER3 34” ProV1x .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 shoes Link to post Share on other sites
Spur22 212 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Putting and chipping have always been the strongest part of my game. It's the getting to the green that seems to be the challenge... Sent from my HTC 10 using MyGolfSpy mobile app 2 Quote Bio Cell+ 10.5 Bio Cell+ 18.5 G10 24 Amp Forged 5-PW Tour Trusty 50, 54, 58, 62 Scotty Cameron Select GoLo 34 Srixon Z-Star I'm on Instagram as @sharpened_development_llc Link to post Share on other sites
DaveP043 4,005 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 There's no question that improved putting leads to lower scores. As a bonus, putting is one of the easiest skills to improve, in a relatively short time. The mechanics of putting are pretty simple, compared to a full swing, and you can hit a LOT of putts in a pretty short session. But for a player who shoots 100, dropping 3 or 4 strokes is a small part of the problem. The way for most players to get the biggest impact on scores is to improve ballstriking on full shots. A lost ball counts as 2 strokes lost, keeping 2 more tee shots in play gets the same decrease in score as the putting changes. 4 Quote Irons Titleist AP2 714, KBS Tour S, 3 flat Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X 52, 56, and 60 wedges B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny B 23,281 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 It's all important, and what's important to one player may not be what's important to another player. If we are talking about someone who shoots 100, that could be someone who has good distance, but can't keep it in play. It could also be someone who doesn't hit the ball very far, keeps it in play but has a terrible short game. The ball has to be kept in play; that's #1. If it's not in play or in hazards, the shots add up quickly. But if a player keeps it in play, many shots can be saved around the green. This player is me. It's how I can shoot low scores, or high scores if my short game is not working that day. Anyone can improve their short game with practice, and I practice quite a bit. I can't swing like DJ, JD, or any pro but I am a firm believer that with practice, anyone can putt as well as a pro. I'm not there yet, but it's possible. 6 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty1885 1,332 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I don't remember the last time I miss any putts inside 8 feet. Sure I probably missed a few, I just don't "remember" them. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny B 23,281 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I don't remember the last time I miss any putts inside 8 feet. Sure I probably missed a few, I just don't "remember" them. You sound like Jack Nicklaus 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
Golfspy_CG2 25,119 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 So what I get from this thread is: if I keep the ball in play off the tee, hit more greens and make a few more putts. My scores will improve. Ha So yep. Its all important. Kenny did a good job describing the challenges of different type players. I tend to be his type player as eel. I've gotten much shorter over the last 5 years but also much more accurate. I consider myself a good putter. But with more practice I could become better than good. I believe. Sent from my LG-D850 using MyGolfSpy mobile app 4 Quote TSi2 Kuro Kage 50g R Flex TSi2 16.5 FW with GD AD IZ 6 Shaft G410 FW 7 Alta CB R flex G410 Hybrid 26 degree Alta CB R Flex T100S/T200 Combo 5-7 T100S 8-P T200 TT Black Oynx R Flex SM7 54.08 F 58.12 K Heppler Tomcast ProV1X Play number 12 Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo42 6,033 Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 I don't remember the last time I miss any putts inside 8 feet. Sure I probably missed a few, I just don't "remember" them. That contributes to your 2 cap as well 1 Quote MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever) Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4 ER3 34” ProV1x .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 shoes Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo42 6,033 Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Of course getting better at everything will lower your scores. But, a 3 foot putt equals a 300 yard drive on the score card. So almost every golfer could putt better with just a little more disciplined practice. How many putts do you miss every round that makes you mad? A few probably, right ? How many 5-10 footers do you "almost make"? What if one or two of them fall in? So if you've been playing for 30 years, but still shoot 90's, the odds are you've spent countless hours hitting full practice shots, right? Watch the pros on the practice greens- what I see is that they spend a lot of time on very specific shorter putts, and that's why they rarely miss second putts, and the ones that run out to the leads are usually making some of their longer putts too. I'm not saying improved putting will make you better at roping your drives down the middle, or better at GIR. Obviously those skills help you score. I'm saying that you can shave a few strokes by becoming a more serious and more disciplined putter, and that's something we all can improve 2 Quote MavriK Sub Zero 9* on EvenFlow RipTide 6.0 50g Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever) Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4 ER3 34” ProV1x .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 shoes Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 14,685 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 If we are specifically taking putting there are some basic skills that should be mastered that will likely have benefits for all golfers 1. Start the ball on intended line. This is the first skill to master. If you can't accomplish this the other skills are difficult to achieve. This is a core fundamental that can be practiced anywhere. 2. Need to be able to control speed/distance. Leaving a putt 6 feet short or blowing it 6 feet past the hole put a lot of pressure on you putting game. 3. Green reading. Not every putt is straight so you need to be able to determine where the ball will go. This skill is tied to the other 2 skills. If you can't start the ball on line at the right speed you cannot build the knowledge to accurately evaluate a putt. 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: Ten S Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
Golfspy_CG2 25,119 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Watched one of the pros on the putting green at the Seniors Players the other night on the putting green. He was practcing 5 footers, with only his left (lead) hand. Just one after another after another. And he rarely missed one. I'm sure for him it's a simple drill, but it was impressive to watch. 1 Quote TSi2 Kuro Kage 50g R Flex TSi2 16.5 FW with GD AD IZ 6 Shaft G410 FW 7 Alta CB R flex G410 Hybrid 26 degree Alta CB R Flex T100S/T200 Combo 5-7 T100S 8-P T200 TT Black Oynx R Flex SM7 54.08 F 58.12 K Heppler Tomcast ProV1X Play number 12 Link to post Share on other sites
StrokerAce 10,485 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I find it hard to make a birdie unless you can either stuff it close with a wedge or hit a 15-20 foot putt... I've given myself many birdie chances over my last 3 rounds but can't make a putt over 15 feet to save my life. Thankfully...if I do 3 putt...it is only 1x per round so I can lag it fairly close (3-5 feet)... Sadly - the range I go to is only for hitting full shots and does not have a practice green... I need to bite the bullet and find one that has a putting green... Quote G410 LST | King F7 | 818 H2 | Srixon Z785 | ZipCore | Newport 3 Link to post Share on other sites
DaveP043 4,005 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I find it hard to make a birdie unless you can either stuff it close with a wedge or hit a 15-20 foot putt... It looks to me like the pros make about 1 in 15 or less from 15 to 20 feet. The way to make birdies, hit it closer. Hit it longer off the tee, in play, for a shorter second shot, get that one closer. 2 Quote Irons Titleist AP2 714, KBS Tour S, 3 flat Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X 52, 56, and 60 wedges B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to post Share on other sites
scooducks 299 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Completely speaking anecdotaly, my best scores come in the rounds I hit the most greens. I can 1-2 putt 16-17 times a round on average, so if I'm on the green in regulation, I'm looking at some decent scores. If I'm off in the trees off the tee, hitting 7-4 irons into greens, or missing wide left or right with short irons/wedges I don't care how well I"m putting, I'm not putting up a good number. Good putting could keep me away from a really nasty number, but definitely not something I'll be happy with at the end of the day. Quote WITB: Driver: Taylormade M2 (2016) 10.5° | Fujikura Pro Stiff 60g Fairway: Taylormade Aeroburner 2.0 TP 16.5° | Diamana Whiteboard Stiff 80g Hybrid: Titleist 915h 21° | Diamana Blueboard Stiff 80g Driving Iron: Titleist 712U 3 Iron | Kuro Kage Stiff 70g Irons: Titleist AP2 714 4-PW | KBS Tour 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 50°/54°/58° Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2 | SuperStroke Mid Slim 2.0 Ball: Taylormade TP5x Link to post Share on other sites
Reesedw 2,463 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 As I read this I come to 1 conclusion. If we all have better ball striking, Hit it longer and in the fairway, stick our approach shots close and 1 putt all the hole we'll have lower scores... Hmmm And If i did that consistently I would not be working for a living, I'd be playing golf for a living.. That's excactly why we are here, cause we all do not play that game we all have our struggles. and each of us have differnet areas to be worked on.. 5 Quote Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Cobra F8+ Driver Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedges 54* and 58* versatile grind Snake eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to post Share on other sites
STUDque 11,859 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 As I read this I come to 1 conclusion. If we all have better ball striking, Hit it longer and in the fairway, stick our approach shots close and 1 putt all the hole we'll have lower scores... Hmmm And If i did that consistently I would not be working for a living, I'd be playing golf for a living.. That's excactly why we are here, cause we all do not play that game we all have our struggles. and each of us have differnet areas to be worked on.. I think OP's main point was that putting better takes pressure off the rest of your game. Everyone else's point is that if you have at least one area of expertise, you can compensate for other shortcomings. What we have here is a classic case of the chicken and the egg. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 3 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty1885 1,332 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I think OP's main point was that putting better takes pressure off the rest of your game. Everyone else's point is that if you have at least one area of expertise, you can compensate for other shortcomings. What we have here is a classic case of the chicken and the egg. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Yep, I said it many times here. I've seen significant improvement in my game and scores just by doing 2-6 footer putting practice. It takes pressure off my lag putts, my short game, may approach as well as my driving. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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