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So I saw this posted on barstool (see below) and it started a debate in the office.

 

I'm intrigued to hear what everyone in MyGolfSpy thinks.

 

I think an average 4-man scramble team would at least compete.

 

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It would be tough to win a tournament on their courses due to the length and speed but I totally believe they could make cuts and contend for top 10 at some tracks. On a regular course we shot 63 a few weeks back without mulligans or funny business.

 

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You could probably make the cut in a few events, it really depends on whether or not you have a bomber or 2 on the team. It doesn't matter if you have 4 whacks at an approach if your consistently hitting from over 200 yards for your 2nd shots.

 

 

With par 4's on tour being close and sometimes over 500 yards you will need somebody that can move the ball out there a pretty good distance and somebody else that's a great putter.

 

 

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Totally agree with TBT.  If your 9 handy group consists of guys that hit the ball 240 max then no, I still don't think you can compete.  Now if you've got 2 guys that can hit consistently 300yds and a couple guys with great short games then maybe you play the weekend.

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It'll really depend on the course too. There's that old Jack Nicklaus anecdote:

 

You could let an amateur drop at the 150 marker at Augusta for every hole and they still wouldn't break 100

 

 

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It'll really depend on the course too. There's that old Jack Nicklaus anecdote:

You could let an amateur drop at the 150 marker at Augusta for every hole and they still wouldn't break 100

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It'll really depend on the course too. There's that old Jack Nicklaus anecdote:

 

You could let an amateur drop at the 150 marker at Augusta for every hole and they still wouldn't break 100

 

 

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This same debate happened a year or two ago. Could 16 guys with with 10-15 handicaps win the Masters. I say it's a resounding NO but people have argued it wouldn't be hard. Once you remind them that there would a real score keeping, no strings, throws, or red tees, they come back to reality.

 

 

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You could probably make the cut in a few events, it really depends on whether or not you have a bomber or 2 on the team. It doesn't matter if you have 4 whacks at an approach if your consistently hitting from over 200 yards for your 2nd shots.

 

 

With par 4's on tour being close and sometimes over 500 yards you will need somebody that can move the ball out there a pretty good distance and somebody else that's a great putter.

I would go so far to say that at least two would need to be deep off the tee. Too much pressure on one guy.

 

 

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Interesting topic. I would say possibly compete if you had a consistent long and straight driver, 2 guys that were good ball strikers and iron players and a short game and putting wizard. I think the best PGA players would still come out on top, they have all the aspects listed above that are more polished and refined than the average golfer. If you have ever been around a pro, it is amazing what they can do with a ball and how consistent they can do it. Would be fun to watch!

 

 

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May I add to this question?

 

How many scoring records do you think a scramble full of pros could break?

 

Could we see a 50?

 

 

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May I add to this question?

 

How many scoring records do you think a scramble full of pros could break?

 

Could we see a 50?

 

 

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So take 4 pros and let them play a scramble?

 

They would birdie every hole and eagle 3 of 4 par fives (assuming there's 4 and not 6) so I would say a 50 is possible. The real question is could they go lower. When a pro wants to hole out, they usually scare it pretty good.

 

 

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So take 4 pros and let them play a scramble?

 

They would birdie every hole and eagle 3 of 4 par fives (assuming there's 4 and not 6) so I would say a 50 is possible. The real question is could they go lower. When a pro wants to hole out, they usually scare it pretty good.

 

 

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Wow great question.

 

After much thought, I believe a 4 man team of 9hcps would be top 5 at a major.

 

My thoughts are they wouldn't give hardly any shots back. Think you got 4 balls into every green, 4 pitches, 4 putts. And they would birdie 75% of the par 5s.

 

 

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Wow great question.

 

After much thought, I believe a 4 man team of 9hcps would be top 5 at a major.

 

My thoughts are they wouldn't give hardly any shots back. Think you got 4 balls into every green, 4 pitches, 4 putts. And they would birdie 75% of the par 5s.

 

 

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They would make a ton of pars but bogeys are absolutely possible with 4-9cappers on a major championship course playing over 7000 yds. I think they could shoot a few 68s though which would be enough

 

 

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I think too much credit is being given to the 9 handicappers. I dont think they would make the cut. If you have 2 guys that can bomb consistently hit 300 they have no short game otherwise they wouldnt be a 9. The courses are tough the pressure is intense even with 4 shots i dont see them getting it done. One round maybe but one bad hole will take them out of the tournament. Most shots needed to compete in a major are not in a 9 handicaps bag especially with the consistency needed. That means each guy would have to average the shots of over 4 holes of perfect major championship golf.

 

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I say no. I think there are too many shots that would be tough for a amateur to make period let alone a 9+ handicapper... Even with 4 shots I do not think they could make the cut. 

 

Now if they played a Shorter course closer to 7000- 7200 Maybe.. other wise the length is too much... they would be forcing long shots into a pool table like green.. 

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Not a chance - there is not a chance that four 9's playing a scramble could compete in a major. In fact there will be holes where they can't reach the fairway on many courses used for a major.

 

 

 

 

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How did this get here?

 

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Not a chance - there is not a chance that four 9's playing a scramble could compete in a major. In fact there will be holes where they can't reach the fairway on many courses used for a major.

 

 

 

 

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I agree with RevKev. I think they would be unlikely to break 80. 7500 yards with deep rough and major championship greens I think they would struggle to make par on virtually any par 3 or 4.

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Not a chance - there is not a chance that four 9's playing a scramble could compete in a major. In fact there will be holes where they can't reach the fairway on many courses used for a major.

 

This was one of my main takeaways from being at the US Open at Erin Hills. From the championship tees, I would not be able to play 18 holes even if I started with two dozen balls, simply because I wouldn't be able to get to several of the fairways, and missing short puts the ball in the two-foot-tall native fescue, where (without the advantages of tournament play) it's unlikely to be found.

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Two bombers and at least two short-game guys would be the key. The top 10 golfers at the CC where I live went up to Arkansas to play a very long, tough course. 7600 from the tips, and they tipped it out... No one broke 80.

When they went back and played from 7100, a few shot under par. Give me a few of them, make sure they have two that can hit 300+, and I think they could do it. A few have been on the mini tours and played college golf, so I think it's possible.

 

 

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The last time I played a scramble it was on a fairly tough course, and two of our guys had higher handicaps. I think we shot 64. I think it would be easy for a scramble foursome to compete, maybe finish top ten.

 

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In fact there will be holes where they can't reach the fairway on many courses used for a major.

 

 

 

 

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This would definitely be a concern. I played a few holes at Chambers Bay from the US Open teeing grounds the week before the tournament. The distance between tee box and fairway is farther than you'd expect. Now, at a typical PGA Tour stop, that probably wouldn't be as much of an issue...

 

 

 

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Probably not that great, some cuts made, but no top 10s and way out of it at the majors (British would be their best shot). If the group only has one guy that bombs he also needs to be straight. EVERY. TIME. Does a 9 handicap have the touch? No. Going to need a helluva putter.

 

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So I saw this posted on barstool (see below) and it started a debate in the office.

 

I'm intrigued to hear what everyone in MyGolfSpy thinks.

 

I think an average 4-man scramble team would at least compete.

 

What do you guys think?

 

How Would An Average 4-Man Scramble Team Do In A PGA Tour Event? https://bars.tl/Vu6u/R4SkZDWG4E

 

 

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no way maybe maybe make cut - 4 scratch golfers in scramble all depending if u have a guy or two who can hit it 300 then yes make the cut and maybe top 20 it best

 

 

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Two bombers and at least two short-game guys would be the key. The top 10 golfers at the CC where I live went up to Arkansas to play a very long, tough course. 7600 from the tips, and they tipped it out... No one broke 80.

When they went back and played from 7100, a few shot under par. Give me a few of them, make sure they have two that can hit 300+, and I think they could do it. A few have been on the mini tours and played college golf, so I think it's possible.

 

 

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These are 9's - 4 9's -

 

The average drive for a 9 is around 235. Even if the 9 is incredibly long he's not carrying it 270 on demand as he's going to have to at times on a course set up for a major. I know we are about to have guys lining up to tell us how they regularly carry it 300 -

 

So let's say they do - this would be under pressure to a ribbon like fairway - there will be mess ups that lead to big numbers even with 4 of them.

 

I do have an interesting story.

 

My son and I went for a college visit a number of years back and stopped off to play a lot cal muni. There is a picture of Scott Hamilton holding the Claret Jug hanging in the snack bar.

 

It turns out that he grew up playing there and brought the Jug in for show and tell. While there he played an exhibition match - he playing his own ball vs. the head pro, club champion and a 4 with them playing a scramble.

 

He shot a smooth 58 (on a par 71) to beat them by 2 strokes.

 

While those guys aren't invincible they are very good and the ones playing well enough to win are playing at around a plus 9 handicap for the week.

 

It's sick

 

 

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I'm closer to 9 than I am to scratch. Four of me would be absolutely useless in a major. Maybe four of me could make a respectable showing at St. Andrews.

 

And my wife would tell you that four of me are at least three too many.

 

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These are 9's - 4 9's -

 

The average drive for a 9 is around 235. Even if the 9 is incredibly long he's not carrying it 270 on demand as he's going to have to at times on a course set up for a major. I know we are about to have guys lining up to tell us how they regularly carry it 300 -

 

So let's say they do - this would be under pressure to a ribbon like fairway - there will be mess ups that lead to big numbers even with 4 of them.

 

I do have an interesting big story.

 

My son and I went for a college visit a number of years back and stopped off to play a lot cal muni. There are as a picture of Scott Hamilton holding the Claret Jug hanging in the snack bar.

 

It turns out that he grew up playing there and brought the Jug in for show and tell. While there he played an exhibition match - he playing his own ball vs. the head pro, club champion and a 4 with them playing a scramble.

 

He shot a smooth 58 (on a par 71) to beat them by 2 strokes.

 

While those guys aren't invincible they are very good and the ones playing well enough to win are played by at around a plus 9 handicap for the week.

 

It's sick

 

 

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Cool story Rev!

 

But i hope you mean Todd Hamilton. If Scott Hamilton shot a 58, he wasted many years on thise skates

 

 

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I don't think 4 9 handicappers make the cut at a major, much less contend.

 

At a smaller event set up for lots of crowd pleasing birdies I think they could pull off a top 25.

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Cool story Rev!

 

But i hope you mean Todd Hamilton. If Scott Hamilton shot a 58, he wasted many years on thise skates

 

 

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It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD   

 

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