STUDque Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Thought this was a good read: Bernhard Langer sounds fed up with the cheating accusations surrounding his putting stroke Personally, I've seen that stroke as a super gray area. He walks that ruling line super close if you watch him putt. In my mind, there's no way he goes a whole round without anchoring to his body at least once. Even if it's on accident. I tend to think a regulation on absolute maximum putter length would solve this problem since you can't anchor something that doesn't reach your chest in the first place. Sent by carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I took a hard look at the USGA guidance about this the other day. It says very plainly that pinning the forearm down to the body in any way is not allowed. It also says very plainly that pinning the elbow down to the body IS allowed. I think the real question with these guys has less to do with the grip hand and more to do with what part of the body are they anchoring? Forearm or elbow? My guess is the USGA has told them they are not anchoring the forearm, but it sure does look awfully tight to the body Sent from my Nexus 6P using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just let guys putt with whatever and however they want. The whole thing is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just let guys putt with whatever and however they want. The whole thing is ridiculous.I've always thought the same thing! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just let guys putt with whatever and however they want. The whole thing is ridiculous.I'm with you. The game is better if Scott, Bradley, and Simpson can compete too. Although Scott's celebration at the Masters looked weird with the super long putter. As a spectator, no one wants to see this. Yuck! *Please forgive the crappy Photoshop Sent by carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 His forearm is dangerously close to his body, I'm sure he brushes it from time to time. I think the whole anchoring ban is stupid XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut05 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I have a hard time believing he's not anchoring on some of those putts. I doubt anybody would ever say anything to him about it though. I think they ought to allow those putters, though. It's not like those guys were winning every week on tour. In my bag: Callaway Epic Subzero with Aldila Rogue Max 75 Stiff shaft Callaway Rogue Subzero with Project X Evenflow 6.0 75g stiff shaft Callaway Rogue 3 Hybrid with Aldila Synergy 60 HYB stiff shaft Callaway Apex irons (4-PW) with True Temper XP 95 stiff shafts Callaway MD3 wedges (50/54/58) SeeMore Original FGP Bridgestone Tour B RX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I can't say whether he is or isn't as I haven't been two feet away from him to see. that said, I was about 4 feet away from him in a press conference two weeks ago when he talked about it. And the tone from this article is exactly how he felt that day. He wasn't upset and complaining, he was actually very hurt or disappointed that people would think he was still anchoring or cheating. But he said he was going to let the noise go by and as long as the USGA and PGA Rules officials say he's ok, that's good enough for him. He was very sincere in his comments and talked to us at length about it. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Sam Snead was a ferocious putter before they changed it on him. When people do strange things and have success and don't look like everyone else. People complain. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Sam Snead was a ferocious putter before they changed it on him. When people do strange things and have success and don't look like everyone else. People complain. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy It is my understanding that anchored putting was not something new; that it has been allowed and used for at least 20 years. It was only after some using that method won some significant tournaments that it became an issue. Sometimes, jealousy can become an ugly cloak that some do not wear well. It is my opinion, underscore opinion, that the anchoring ban and its debate did more to hurt the growth of the game then it helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 It was funny to see Ian Woosnan with the same type putter as he was in Langer's group. I don't think Woozy gives a rats arse about what they think about him... Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraasty Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 By the definition of the rule I believe he is breaking it.... but I think the rule is stupid in the first place. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 One thing they kept talking about is intent. I think somewhere in the rules it talks about the intent of the player. That's the gray area in the rule, it's not absolute, the wording to the rule needs to change. At least that is what heard them talking about. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acemkr9 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Guys are hitting 385 yard drives and the USGA is worried about anchoring? acemkr9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 One thing they kept talking about is intent. I think somewhere in the rules it talks about the intent of the player. That's the gray area in the rule, it's not absolute, the wording to the rule needs to change. At least that is what heard them talking about. Intent is not mentioned in the rule. It's mentioned by the media. If I take a swing at the ball and miss, it should be obvious if my intent is to hit the ball or take a practice swing. Kevin Na? Lexi mis-marked her ball. I don't think that was her intent, but she was penalized. No further discussion on that please!! Any rule should be clear; this one isn't. If the club, hand or forearm is touching the body during the stroke, it's a penalty. If the playing partner can't tell one way or the other, it's a bad rule. There should be no controversy; either it's clearly an infraction or it isn't. If this problem persists, it just perpetuates the argument that the USGA and R&A can not establish equitable rules for our game. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 Weren't there talks about revamping the entire rulebook? Last I heard, they were trying to get that released before next season. Can't wait to see the s*storm that'll create. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Weren't there talks about revamping the entire rulebook? Last I heard, they were trying to get that released before next season. Can't wait to see the s*storm that'll create. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Not next year... 2019. Most of the changes are reasonable and the are still accepting comments for new rules. A thread that discusses proposed changes is https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/18413-proposed-new-rules-of-golf/ “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Intent is not mentioned in the rule. It's mentioned by the media. If I take a swing at the ball and miss, it should be obvious if my intent is to hit the ball or take a practice swing. Kevin Na? Lexi mis-marked her ball. I don't think that was her intent, but she was penalized. No further discussion on that please!! Any rule should be clear; this one isn't. If the club, hand or forearm is touching the body during the stroke, it's a penalty. If the playing partner can't tell one way or the other, it's a bad rule. There should be no controversy; either it's clearly an infraction or it isn't. If this problem persists, it just perpetuates the argument that the USGA and R&A can not establish equitable rules for our game. No doubt the rules needs some work. he moves the hand and end of the shaft away before making the stroke, that's what the rule wants him to do. The rules committee has gone over video of all the complaints, and haven't penalized him, so how are we to throw the guy under the bus, and say he's cheating. Is he taking advantage of the rules, probably so, but the way they are written currently, he is following them. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I still think the USGA & R&A really screwed this up...either get rid of the ban or make it where the putter has to be the shortest club in the bag. The video sure makes it look like he is anchoring the forearm XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeathS16 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Needs to be cut and dry, too much grey here! If there is room for this much discussion it probably is a bad rule. Just my .02 Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: TSi3 Tester Check out the Review HERE 2-Iron- 699-U 5-Wood: Pro (18*) Irons : i210 4-PW Wedges: RTX-4 50* and 54* RTX-3 *58 Putter: Impact No. 3 Ball: MAXFLI TOUR Tracked by: Bag: BagBoy ZTF Stand Bag (REVIEW HERE) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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