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1 hour ago, Snapjack said:

Well I would think that was the official line but I've placed balls on hills steeper than that. I don't think she ever tried to actually place the ball but I'm not going to beat a dead horse, I was just agreeing with the original posters opinion. And I've never seen it done like that on the PGA Tour.

 

42 minutes ago, Snapjack said:

I've looked extensively but only highlights, a big nothing burger I guess.

You admitted you probably don’t know the rules and that a rules official was standing right there and yet keep arguing an opinion by the op that’s been proven wrong

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3 hours ago, Snapjack said:

At no time did she try and place it where it landed and started rolling. Weirdest drop I've ever seen, never seen it before and no way it was correct. When she dropped it looked like she was bowling, no talk about it on the broadcast which was weird too. How many times have we seen the rules official pointing to where the drop landed and where the ball should be placed by the player?

I will say that as I watched it live, it did look to me like she was giving it the slightest push with her thumb as she placed it, but I chalked it off to how it looked on television. A rules official was right there watching her. I don't believe at all that she would actually push the ball when she placed it down.

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I've looked and can't find the tape anywhere so take my opinion with a grain of salt. However if there is n official watching I trust and choose to believe that nothing wrong was done.

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LK ball hit on the hill and rolled into the hazard. So by going up the hill to place the ball she was following her ball path. 
The other Lady’s ball flew into the hazard from the fairway and never hit the ground, I think that’s why she went back to the fairway to hit again.

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18 minutes ago, Miboy62 said:

LK ball hit on the hill and rolled into the hazard. So by going up the hill to place the ball she was following her ball path. 
The other Lady’s ball flew into the hazard from the fairway and never hit the ground, I think that’s why she went back to the fairway to hit again.

It has nothing to do with the balls path.   LK crossed the hazard line and Maguire did not.   When I was watching the replay the thing that I noticed was that Maguire did not appear to drop from knee height (should have backed up and watched again 🙂 )    Lydia took relief from the red staked area and dropped the ball twice and the ball rolled back down the hill into the hazard.   She then attempted to place the ball on the spot it landed a couple of times and the ball started to roll down the hill.  She then started moving the ball to attempt to find a place that the ball would not roll down the hill.  This ended up being about 6 or so feet up the hill from where she originally attempted to place the ball.  

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

It has nothing to do with the balls path.   LK crossed the hazard line and Maguire did not.   When I was watching the replay the thing that I noticed was that Maguire did not appear to drop from knee height (should have backed up and watched again 🙂 )    Lydia took relief from the red staked area and dropped the ball twice and the ball rolled back down the hill into the hazard.   She then attempted to place the ball on the spot it landed a couple of times and the ball started to roll down the hill.  She then started moving the ball to attempt to find a place that the ball would not roll down the hill.  This ended up being about 6 or so feet up the hill from where she originally attempted to place the ball.  

And if I remember it correctly and it was stated several times on here that a Rules Official was present and did give guidence so IMHO everything is Kosher so to speak as far as I am concerned which means zilch

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4 hours ago, Snapjack said:

True but where and when was it proven wrong?

In every post that quoted what the rules are and the fact that a rules official was standing right there. Do you think the rules official was on the take? Not to mention as much tv time as she got you have all the rules people behind the scenes that would have caught it 

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5 hours ago, Snapjack said:

True but where and when was it proven wrong?

Are you already a member of this forum under another name? Just asking.

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42 minutes ago, Snapjack said:

No, I've been around mostly reading for years.

If someone anyone could find and clip the video here it may help aid the discussion.

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8 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

If someone anyone could find and clip the video here it may help aid the discussion.

Been trying, but it isn't shown in any of the highlight videos.  Hoping a full replay gets posted somewhere since I doubt the Golf Channel will show it again.  

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Just now, cnosil said:

Been trying, but it isn't shown in any of the highlight videos.  Hoping a full replay gets posted somewhere since I doubt the Golf Channel will show it again.  

I went on a search for it this morning and found nothing. Hoping someone has it recorded or something.

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23 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I went on a search for it this morning and found nothing. Hoping someone has it recorded or something.

Here and Reddit are the only places I have seen anyone questioning the drop process and there are no videos posted anywhere showing what she allegedly did wrong.   I am hoping that one of the networks posts it in their replay vault but it may take a few weeks.  

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On 11/24/2022 at 8:18 AM, GolfSpy_APH said:

If someone anyone could find and clip the video here it may help aid the discussion.

@DaveP043 the LPGA has posted the full round replay.   

Ko's drop sequence on 14 starts are the 1:10:10 minute mark

I question the legality of Maguire's drop which is shown at 1:08:34.   This isn't knee height.   

 

 

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8 minutes ago, cnosil said:

@DaveP043 the LPGA has posted the full round replay.   

Ko's drop sequence on 14 starts are the 1:10:10 minute mark

I question the legality of Maguire's drop which is shown at 1:08:34.   This isn't knee height.   

 

I see nothing at all wrong with Ko's sequence.  It doesn't appear that she's "pushing" the ball, she's merely anticipating that its going to roll.  As for Maguire, I agree that her drop appears to be from higher than her knee, far enough that an on-site official might have told her to drop again.  But in this case, I'd refer to this bit of 1.3b(2)

"So long as the player does what can be reasonably expected under the circumstances to make an accurate determination, the player’s reasonable judgment will be accepted even if, after the stroke is made, the determination is shown to be wrong by video evidence or other information."

Dropping the ball from maybe 6 inches higher than knee high would, to me, be acceptable under that guidance in the Rules.  I'd note that nothing has been changed in the 2023 Rules.

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