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Having just one thought while I was putting really helped. Once I placed my ball, lined up and stepped away to check, I stop thinking about anything to do with aim. Line up my putter with the ball and focus on the stroke. I didn't record puttingnumbers back then but probably knocked 5 per round off my score

 

 

... Good stuff! It is amazing to watch players move their head and sometimes entire upper body on a short putt. They are focusing on making the putt and not making the stroke. One of my sons 26 yr old friend just can't help himself. I will stand over him and hold his head in place and he makes good strokes. As soon as I remove my hand and it is a real putt? He goes right back to moving everything yet furious when he pulls or pushes a 2 footer. 

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There is probably a ton of great info here.

 

My 2cents. Head to the practice green put a tee in the ground, stroke 10'ers only looking at the hole. Get a feel. Don't worry about line, or hitting the ball. Don't worry about numbers etc. make nice easy strokes.

 

This has helped me.

 

 

 

 

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I don't care about total rotation--just the amount of rotation that happens in the backstroke. You can claim "individuality" all you want (and too many internet posters do!) but it is just logic -- the longer the backstroke and the more rotation that occurs, the harder it is to square up the face at impact.

 

 

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He has only provided a total rotation number which is what iPing reports.    Yes,  it is true that the longer the backstroke the harder it is to square the face at impact and that a faster tempo is probably a bit better than a slower tempo,  but that isn't rotation that is length of stroke.  There are no exact numbers and an individual's setup will influence the amount of rotation.  A six inch backstroke for a player that sets up with eyes over the ball will have less rotation than a player that sets up with eyes inside the ball on the same six inch backstroke.  

 

Look at any players swing and putting stroke and there are individual traits that uniquely define there swing or stroke.  There is no single best way.  

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The reason i asked for length (in inches, not seconds) is that i have found degrees of rotation to correspond to backstroke length. A good putting stroke should have a relatively short backstroke and a follow through that is 2-3x the length of the backstroke. A "bad" putting stroke has an excessively long backstroke, which results in a lot of rotation and a deceleration through impact. This is usually accompanied with a short follow through but not always.

 

Excessive rotation means you can't consistently square up the face at impact. And deceleration at impact means you can't control speed. 13.5* is excessive for a 10' putt, so i would guess you have a backstroke of 12" or more, when it should be 8" or less. A shorter backstroke prevents excessive rotation and promotes acceleration through impact.

 

How short is too short? You have to find the length that promotes even acceleration and smooth delivery. Too short will produce an abrupt and unstable transition with sharp acceleration and inaccurate distance control.

 

Start with a too short backstroke that forces an awkward acceleration, then try strokes adding one inch at a time until you feel it smooth out. Keep adding to your backstroke and eventually you'll get to a point where you have to decelerate through impact.

 

A recent putting lab study shows that tour players typically have a follow through that is twice the length of the backstroke. And I've also read that you will never be a great putter until you get that putter face rotation down to around 5*. A short backstroke - the shorter the better - with smooth transition and even acceleration through impact.

 

 

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Hmm that is interesting - and yes your correct in your assessment. I do have a long backstroke and relatively short follow-through (compared to the backstroke). I'll work on your recommendation next week.

 

 

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Go read Stockton's Unconscious Putting. Immediately.

Thanks I'll be buying this book as well

 

 

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I have to disagree with this. The amount of total rotation doesn't relate to position at impact and length is dependent on the speed you move the putter.

 

Tiger woods SAM Puttlab rotation numbers: he is open 7.8* at the end of his backswing and 12.2* closed at the end of his forwardswing for a total rotation of 20*

 

Loren Roberts: 1.8* open at end of backswing and 8.6* closed at end of forward swing for a total rotation of 10.1*

 

Each is individual to the person. Each person is individual and it comes done to how consistently you are able to repeat those numbers. If you are consistent, you can master speed and direction. Rotation is based on setup position. If you are farther off the ball you will have a bigger arc and naturally more rotation that a person that is closer to the ball with a smaller arc.

I think it should be pointed out that iping does not measure the same way as sam. Iping measures the amount that your putterhead closes from the end of your backswing until impact. This should roughly correspond to the amount you are rotating open during the backswing. Using the iping readout of 13.5* that means he is opening the clubface 13.5* during the backswing and trying to close it the same amount. (Though it is technically not measuring the backstroke rotation, only the downswing rotation til the point of impact). This is NOT the same thing as sam's total rotation. Hence my advice. 13.5* rotation from the start of your downswing until impact is way too much. Maybe this information will make my previous posts make more sense. We were not talking about the same measurements.

 

 

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I think it should be pointed out that iping does not measure the same way as sam. Iping measures the amount that your putterhead closes from the end of your backswing until impact. This should roughly correspond to the amount you are rotating open during the backswing. Using the iping readout of 13.5* that means he is opening the clubface 13.5* during the backswing and trying to close it the same amount. (Though it is technically not measuring the backstroke rotation, only the downswing rotation til the point of impact). This is NOT the same thing as sam's total rotation. Hence my advice. 13.5* rotation from the start of your downswing until impact is way too much. Maybe this information will make my previous posts make more sense. We were not talking about the same measurements.

 

I stand corrected.  Everything i had seen was it was a measurement of forward stroke but after your post I found a couple of references to forward stroke to impact.  

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Holy crap you are totally over thinking your putting stroke. Seriously, get Unconscious Putting immediately

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At the end of the day it's about seeing more putts drop. You need to work on your short putts. 2-3 footer is a good start definitely 4-6 footer. Don't worry about Iong lag putts.

 

You are probably practicing a lot of 10-15 footers and seeing a lot of misses. Good putting requires confidence strokes you can get that from sinking a lot of short putts. If you can roll the ball by hand to the hole you have enough distance control to make a good putt.

 

I stopped worrying about the stroke long time ago. As long as I can consistently roll the ball where I want it to go, who cares. You sink enough putts someone would find the way to explain your awesome stroke.

 

 

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I'm not what you would a call a good putter, but I am improving. If I had all this information in my head while trying to putt, i wouldn't be able to putt a ball. Numbers are numbers, but the object is to putt the ball into the hole, if your thinking about opening and closing the face, short backswing long follow through, you aren't going to make anything. practice is how you get better, get out there and putt. There are literally thousands of ways to putt the ball, and none of them are wrong, find one that makes you feel comfortable and practice that way. This whole thing sounds to me like a a lot of overthinking the process, and not enough practice on the excecution.

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I'm not what you would a call a good putter, but I am improving. If I had all this information in my head while trying to putt, i wouldn't be able to putt a ball. Numbers are numbers, but the object is to putt the ball into the hole, if your thinking about opening and closing the face, short backswing long follow through, you aren't going to make anything. practice is how you get better, get out there and putt. There are literally thousands of ways to putt the ball, and none of them are wrong, find one that makes you feel comfortable and practice that way. This whole thing sounds to me like a a lot of overthinking the process, and not enough practice on the excecution.

 

You don't think about this stuff when you putt; it is more about fitting the putter.  While the approach may not be for you,  some people like to have more understanding about how the stroke works; sort of that right brain left brain how you learn kind of stuff.  The goal of putting is to make a stroke that rolls the ball on the line you want for the speed you rolling the ball.  By understanding the numbers,  you can find a putter that makes it easier to accomplish that goal.  There really is a reason that some putter works better than others.  If you find the putter that works for your stroke, it make it easier to replicate the results.  Basically 2 choices,  find the putter that works for you or adjust yourself to fit the putter.  

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