Rusty1885 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I just played a round with another member this morning. He's a 20 handicapper and been at our clubs since 2012. We chat in the restaurant from time to time and finally we get to play for the first time. He said that he has a hard time setting up each hole so I walked him thru the landing position and option. Then he said the magic word, he doesn't know where to miss. It clicked. Then I started pointing out the good place to miss for recoverable approach. Something must have clicked for him and he absorbed it like a sponge. After a few holes started putting the ball in play. He missed 2 short par putts for final score of 81. I was so excited for him. I collected my caddy fee in the form of a nice lunch and promised to be on his bag again next Sunday. It's a great morning indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I just played a round with another member this morning. He's a 20 handicapper and been at our clubs since 2012. We chat in the restaurant from time to time and finally we get to play for the first time. He said that he has a hard time setting up each hole so I walked him thru the landing position and option. Then he said the magic word, he doesn't know where to miss. It clicked. Then I started pointing out the good place to miss for recoverable approach. Something must have clicked for him and he absorbed it like a sponge. After a few holes started putting the ball in play. He missed 2 short par putts for final score of 81. I was so excited for him. I collected my caddy fee in the form of a nice lunch and promised to be on his bag again next Sunday. It's a great morning indeed. Great story, may need you in FL sometime Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Some people wound up so tight and leave no room for perceived mistakes in addition when they know that it's ok to miss the swing with more confidence and authority. This guy knows this course really well he just doesn't know how to connect the dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Great story, may need you in FL sometime Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy You have me - I can show you how and where to miss all day!!!! Not here Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 You have me - I can show you how and where to miss all day!!!! IMG_0581.JPG Not here Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I think I've been there, on every course Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Nice job.....course management is something most of us need to work on more often. XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipper554 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Great job of caddying. Course management is a huge part of scoring. Knowing where to miss is as important as your main target. Driver: Cobra F8 Tour length 3W: Cobra King F7 3/4 Wood 5W: Cobra King F7 5/6 Wood Hybrid 3/4: Cobra F7 20.5* Irons: 5 to PW Taylormade P790 A Wedge: 48* Vokey SM6 F grind S Wedge: 54* Vokey SM6 M grind L Wedge: 58* Vokey SM6 M grind Putter: Rife Two Bar Hybrid 35" P2 Aware Tour grip Ball: Taylormade TP 5X Bag: Hot Z Canadian flag 🇨🇦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Seriously this is a great target. There's more to it than simply knowing where to miss. Knowing your typical dispersion pattern from the spot you're playing from is huge too. Knowing that I can aim for a spot that keeps my typical dispersion safe and maximize my score over the long run. We used to have a nice shoot out in the men's club at the course I belonged to in Indiana. Ten teams, best and worst handicap paired and so on to the middle two guys. I always got a mid/high guy 14 or higher. I was surprised at the stuff those guys worried about when we talked over strategy. One time I made my partner tap his putter off the tee so that I could hit the shot over the water on the par 3. I knew that we could make bogey 90 percent of the time and move on where as we were going to make double or worse if he tried to carry the water at least half the time. We made an easy 4 and moved on only to be eliminated when he hit it into the bushes on the next hole - I told him to just hit 7 iron because I could put it in a safe spot by the green with a fairway wood where he would hit it. He just couldn't grasp the concept. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 .......... Knowing your typical dispersion pattern from the spot you're playing from is huge too. Knowing that I can aim for a spot that keeps my typical dispersion safe and maximize my score over the long run. ....... ^ THAT is really key! But .. really only comes to you after a lot of on-course experience. I'm finally starting to figure it out a little bit; eg. ok I'm on this kind of sidehill lie where I tend to fade it out to the right, so I'm going to adjust for that. WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Seriously this is a great target. There's more to it than simply knowing where to miss. Knowing your typical dispersion pattern from the spot you're playing from is huge too. Knowing that I can aim for a spot that keeps my typical dispersion safe and maximize my score over the long run. We used to have a nice shoot out in the men's club at the course I belonged to in Indiana. Ten teams, best and worst handicap paired and so on to the middle two guys. I always got a mid/high guy 14 or higher. I was surprised at the stuff those guys worried about when we talked over strategy. One time I made my partner tap his putter off the tee so that I could hit the shot over the water on the par 3. I knew that we could make bogey 90 percent of the time and move on where as we were going to make double or worse if he tried to carry the water at least half the time. We made an easy 4 and moved on only to be eliminated when he hit it into the bushes on the next hole - I told him to just hit 7 iron because I could put it in a safe spot by the green with a fairway wood where he would hit it. He just couldn't grasp the concept. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Thanks for sharing, love the putting off the tee story. I agree. Most high handicappers I play with seems to aim the middle of the fairway and they are almost always miss the fairways right unless there are ob on the left or water then the ball would go there. The course I just play in the tournament 2 guys in my group has been slicing all day til the 17th par 5 with ob on the left sure enough both sent high draw right over the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 ^ THAT is really key! But .. really only comes to you after a lot of on-course experience. I'm finally starting to figure it out a little bit; eg. ok I'm on this kind of sidehill lie where I tend to fade it out to the right, so I'm going to adjust for that. I'm quite lucky, my favorite local muni is a mountain course and there's no flat lies anywhere. I made enough miss on every holes it's second nature for me by now. Thank god for all those misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Generally speaking you can figure out the safe spots after two or three rounds if you are looking for them. As tough as Bayou is I've learned to score reasonably well there by forgiving out the must avoid places. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I never really started thinking about good places to miss, until this season. Still working on it, may need to just go with a different club on some holes. Score may have improved by only a few strokes, but I definitely lost less balls this season Sent from my E6853 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 A few months after I joined the club I was trying to breakthrough and shoot consistently shoot low scores and I apply mountain biking, well racing in general, strategy to golf. You have to learn to brake hard in order to go fast. My plan was to shoot a bogey on every holes once a week, easier said than done for a 5 handicapper as lipping put par putts don't count. It took some solid planning of every shots to hit each hole. It taught me plenty. I learn not to panic when I miss the green or didn't hit a solid drive. I learn that I can save the hole when I'm not on in regulation. The trick is not to throttle down with conventional targets but to pick more conservative targets use different clubs and swing aggressively. In addition, I learned to listen to the signals that the brain tells me what shots I have in the bag, when I do it delivers. The focus of going low all the time can be exhausting and it builds pressure taking a hard brake, and trackstand while you consider the option will make your game better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 A few months after I joined the club I was trying to breakthrough and shoot consistently shoot low scores and I apply mountain biking, well racing in general, strategy to golf. You have to learn to brake hard in order to go fast. My plan was to shoot a bogey on every holes once a week, easier said than done for a 5 handicapper as lipping put par putts don't count. It took some solid planning of every shots to hit each hole. It taught me plenty. I learn not to panic when I miss the green or didn't hit a solid drive. I learn that I can save the hole when I'm not on in regulation. The trick is not to throttle down with conventional targets but to pick more conservative targets use different clubs and swing aggressively. In addition, I learned to listen to the signals that the brain tells me what shots I have in the bag, when I do it delivers. The focus of going low all the time can be exhausting and it builds pressure taking a hard brake, and trackstand while you consider the option will make your game better. Great, great piece of advice... Plan to shoot Bogey. You'd said something similar in a previous post and .. tho I'm not there yet (ie. making Bogey on each hole) .. I have taken the idea to the course and am working on hitting the shots that I can hit (at this point in my game) to a "safe" target and not trying to hit bigger shots for par (well, not always .. once in a while if I have a good lie and feel like I can make a good swing I'll "go for it" with a longer approach shot). Score hasn't dropped by 10 (yet ) but am losing fewer balls and keeping the ball more in play more often. Thx!! WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Knowing where to miss can save many strokes on the course. It's difficult to play for a miss, but I look at it as where I don't want to hit it, so if the bad place to be is long then I will play a shorter club to make sure I don't go long. So I really try to control where I don't want to be, rather than say where I want to miss. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 When you get greedy the golf gawds will spank that arse. Take what the course will give ya. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 When you get greedy the golf gawds will spank that arse. Take what the course will give ya. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy in that context, unfortunately, I must report that I must still use my BAS (bunker avoidance shot). If a green is well protected by bunkers no one will ever call me "pin seeker". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 in that context, unfortunately, I must report that I must still use my BAS (bunker avoidance shot). If a green is well protected by bunkers no one will ever call me "pin seeker". Shoot for the back of the greens. You'd play 17 holes of golf to see one water or bunker back of the greens. Course designers get the most bang for their bucks putting most of the hazards in the front where they serve best psychologically as most golfers come up short on their approach. Choosing to hit to the back of every greens increase the gir chance by at least double, if you eliminate 3 putts you just improve by 5-7 strokes minimum. Most greens are 30 yards deep which means about 3 clubs difference between front-middle-back if you are committed to the process you'll be choosing 2 extra clubs on some holes but it's well worth it. All you are doing is conditioning your brain to always seeing ball on the green. You won't be in the back of every greens, most likely you'd be short like everyone else but if your aim is to the back of the green you may still end up on the green. Keep practicing and soon you won't be practicing anymore you'd be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Shoot for the back of the greens. You'd play 17 holes of golf to see one water or bunker back of the greens. Course designers get the most bang for their bucks putting most of the hazards in the front where they serve best psychologically as most golfers come up short on their approach. Choosing to hit to the back of every greens increase the gir chance by at least double, if you eliminate 3 putts you just improve by 5-7 strokes minimum. Most greens are 30 yards deep which means about 3 clubs difference between front-middle-back if you are committed to the process you'll be choosing 2 extra clubs on some holes but it's well worth it. All you are doing is conditioning your brain to always seeing ball on the green. You won't be in the back of every greens, most likely you'd be short like everyone else but if your aim is to the back of the green you may still end up on the green. Keep practicing and soon you won't be practicing anymore you'd be doing it. Interesting concept. I'll do a round trying that method . Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Interesting concept. I'll do a round trying that method . Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Yep, and to complete the circle I also learn to love downhill putts since most slope slope from back to front. Downhill putts are much easier than uphill putts, all you have to do is pick the line and start the putt with smooth stroke, gravity takes care of the rest, it comes in handy in a stressful situation where you are probably leave most putts short. Uphill putts require extra effort and usually ends with pull or push or worse pop the stroke. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Shoot for the back of the greens. You'd play 17 holes of golf to see one water or bunker back of the greens. Course designers get the most bang for their bucks putting most of the hazards in the front where they serve best psychologically as most golfers come up short on their approach. Choosing to hit to the back of every greens increase the gir chance by at least double, if you eliminate 3 putts you just improve by 5-7 strokes minimum. Most greens are 30 yards deep which means about 3 clubs difference between front-middle-back if you are committed to the process you'll be choosing 2 extra clubs on some holes but it's well worth it. All you are doing is conditioning your brain to always seeing ball on the green. You won't be in the back of every greens, most likely you'd be short like everyone else but if your aim is to the back of the green you may still end up on the green. Keep practicing and soon you won't be practicing anymore you'd be doing it. Wish I could do that at my home course. As you say all the hazards are short but the greens are not deep and mostly pitch back to front. Go long and you're staring at the hazard again. Nicklaus' penchant for precise iron play is nothing new, but he does take away some scrambling and creativity. You either hit the shot or you don't Sent from my Nexus 6P using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Wish I could do that at my home course. As you say all the hazards are short but the greens are not deep and mostly pitch back to front. Go long and you're staring at the hazard again. Nicklaus' penchant for precise iron play is nothing new, but he does take away some scrambling and creativity. You either hit the shot or you don't Sent from my Nexus 6P using MyGolfSpy mobile app I'm not a fan of Nicklaus courses. My perception is that he thinks a golf course is a gauntlet to be run, not a venue to be enjoyed. I like Gary Player courses, because he designs them so that they can be fun for most and a gauntlet if so desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'm not a fan of Nicklaus courses. My perception is that he thinks a golf course is a gauntlet to be run, not a venue to be enjoyed. I like Gary Player courses, because he designs them so that they can be fun for most and a gauntlet if so desired.I don't disagree. Jack does not seem to be able to see what he's doing to higher handicap players when he challenges the elite player with obstacles. A lot of forced carries and a lot of fairway bunkers that start in that 200-220 yard range and stretch to 260. Doesn't bother the scratch player a bit but makes it all but unplayable for a higher handicapper or senior with low ball speed. Sent from my Nexus 6P using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm not laying up! No way! ... Splash. LoL WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm not laying up! No way! ... Splash. LoL We love the saying "I didn't pay $X to come out here and lay up" Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yes we do. WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 So this lead to a trash talking on both the guy I caddied for and myself, we ended up with a friendly bet and heavy heckling, love it. My guy went up against his friend who's a 10 handicap and he gave my guy 2 stroke a side. Needless to say we won easily he shot 40-42 and won by 5 strike, he'd won straight up. I've created a monster. When it was over after a quick stop for a refreshment and yet more gloating we walked to the parking lot and he gave a starter set of kids club to my daughter and promise that he'd give any set to her when she beats him straight up. I'm looking forward to collecting that bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 So this lead to a trash talking on both the guy I caddied for and myself, we ended up with a friendly bet and heavy heckling, love it. My guy went up against his friend who's a 10 handicap and he gave my guy 2 stroke a side. Needless to say we won easily he shot 40-42 and won by 5 strike, he'd won straight up. I've created a monster. When it was over after a quick stop for a refreshment and yet more gloating we walked to the parking lot and he gave a starter set of kids club to my daughter and promise that he'd give any set to her when she beats him straight up. I'm looking forward to collecting that bet. Sounds like you and this high capper are long lost brothers. I'm glad I've stumbled upon this thread. To add another feather in the hat of playing to your strengths and playing it safe--my home course has a great par 5 to finish off the round. The hole features what is probably the most elevation change on the course and it really comes into play on the approach. I used to always hit 3 wood approach to end up at the bottom of the hill for a third shot with a wedge that has to ascend 40 ft or more of elevation to get on the green (I never hit this shot well) or have a miss w/ the 3 wood and go OB. One day a light bulb came on and I decided to play a safe iron shot and leave my self with 130 yard equal elevation approach to the green (still third shot). Eureka, the first time I've ever been on the green in regulation. Now when I miss, I've got a much easier chip or pitch from the side of the green and strokes almost always saved. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big money Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Great thread.I truly believe course management is huge part of improving.Im pretty positive that anyone can shoot 85 or lower by just planning ahead Keep it in the short stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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