Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I've always been fit to 3/4 or 1" over in iron fittings, depending on the OEM and their standard length. But recently I went to a demo where I wanted try two different shafts in the same iron. But they only had one shaft in 1/2 over and the other in the 1" over.I hit the 1" well enough, mostly like my normal shaft length. Then when I tried the 1/2 it was like magic, every shot seemed flushed and seemed to have much more solid contact. Could it be similar to drivers, where the shorter shaft gave me much more control thus producing more consistent contact.I know the answer seems obvious based on the above results. But I guess I had just never thought of irons that way, It seemed i was always fit more for my posture stance with the 1" vs. better results with a shorter shaft. I didn't seem to notice a huge difference in my set up, meaning I didn't feel like I was more hunched over with the 1/2 than the 1" but that was just my feel, I obviously couldn't see for myself. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I think you kinda answered your own question there CG2. I mean, you think about how much really is a half inch in the scheme of things and it's kinda miniscule the more you think about it. Was there any lie adjustment done to the shaft you were testing, because that too may have had an impact. Really though, going from 1 inch to a half inch I wouldn't think would be that much a difference, but you know your body and swing better than anyone. In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'll be genuinely interested to read the replies. I've never owned anything but off the rack clubs, but I am planning to buy and get fit for irons this winter. My WTF measurement suggests I should have shafts 1/2†to 3/4†longer than standard. Initially that made sense to me, and I'll go along with it if that's what my fitting says this winter. However, it later occurred to be my irons range from 39.5†to 35.5†- a range of 4â€! Furthermore, my driver is 46†- 10.5†longer than my sand wedge. If 1/2†longer shafts are an important fitting recommendation, how have I or do I/we all adapt to the WIDE range of shafts lengths in almost any set for all these years? Not being a wise guy, just honestly wondering. Not by any means taking it that way, it's a very valid question. Maybe that is what Bryson DeChambeau has been telling us all along. I will be interested to see the replies as well, although I think many will be similar to bergtaur below, who is correct in that I kinda already answered my own question. I think you kinda answered your own question there CG2. I mean, you think about how much really is a half inch in the scheme of things and it's kinda miniscule the more you think about it. Was there any lie adjustment done to the shaft you were testing, because that too may have had an impact. Really though, going from 1 inch to a half inch I wouldn't think would be that much a difference, but you know your body and swing better than anyone. Yeah, I probably did, I guess just wanting to get affirmation or possibly any other thoughts either way on the matter. But you are correct 1/2 is pretty small difference, especially when you consider middier's points above as well. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 ✋ï¸raises hand I noticed a half-inch difference when I hit the Mizzies. My irons are +.5" but the same lie angle. I felt the need to choke down on the 6i and Gap wedge I hit. It's definitely true that longer shafts introduce variability so maybe you're onto something. If I were you, I'd try choking down on your shots for a while before messing around with the actual lengths. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 ✋ï¸raises hand I noticed a half-inch difference when I hit the Mizzies. My irons are +.5" but the same lie angle. I felt the need to choke down on the 6i and Gap wedge I hit. It's definitely true that longer shafts introduce variability so maybe you're onto something. If I were you, I'd try choking down on your shots for a while before messing around with the actual lengths. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Glad you chimed in, I forgot to ask you what length clubs yours were. And I've never been effective at choking down with anything other than a wedge for a little chip shot. Something about doing it with a full or 3/4 swing just messes with me somehow. I did notice you do it on the GW you hit. That turned out pretty well!! G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaskanski Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Maybe there's a little more to it... It's important to remember that different shafts react in different manners for the same swing. Depending on how that swing is delivered to the ball, it will ultimately determine how the clubhead makes contact too. Regardless of the overall length disparity, it can be quite common for different iron shafts to have a different amount of "toe droop" at impact which will have a marked effect on where (and more importantly where you think) the ball contacts the club face. This could potentially be entirely different locations for shafts of different construction - even at the same length! Therefore it is always important to compare apples with apples when using specific measurements in fitting irons to an individual. If the shafts aren't the same in terms of profile, you simply can't assume the fitted length will be the same too given the same swing speed and tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 ....And I've never been effective at choking down with anything other than a wedge for a little chip shot. Something about doing it with a full or 3/4 swing just messes with me somehow.....Well next time we get together, make sure you take some swings with mine. I know the heads might not agree with you but at least you can get a feel for your stance and swing. Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I've always been fit to 3/4 or 1" over in iron fittings, depending on the OEM and their standard length. But recently I went to a demo where I wanted try two different shafts in the same iron. But they only had one shaft in 1/2 over and the other in the 1" over. I hit the 1" well enough, mostly like my normal shaft length. Then when I tried the 1/2 it was like magic, every shot seemed flushed and seemed to have much more solid contact. Could it be similar to drivers, where the shorter shaft gave me much more control thus producing more consistent contact. I know the answer seems obvious based on the above results. But I guess I had just never thought of irons that way, It seemed i was always fit more for my posture stance with the 1" vs. better results with a shorter shaft. I didn't seem to notice a huge difference in my set up, meaning I didn't feel like I was more hunched over with the 1/2 than the 1" but that was just my feel, I obviously couldn't see for myself. With lengths from all manufacturers being different for each set of irons, even within a manufacturers offerings, is it possible the +1/2" were, in actuality, +1" in your other irons you've had? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 With lengths from all manufacturers being different for each set of irons, even within a manufacturers offerings, is it possible the +1/2" were, in actuality, +1" in your other irons you've had? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I know that could be the case, but in this case there definitely was a difference as I measured them next to each other when they weren't in the clubhead. They were part of the fitting cart. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Maybe there's a little more to it... It's important to remember that different shafts react in different manners for the same swing. Depending on how that swing is delivered to the ball, it will ultimately determine how the clubhead makes contact too. Regardless of the overall length disparity, it can be quite common for different iron shafts to have a different amount of "toe droop" at impact which will have a marked effect on where (and more importantly where you think) the ball contacts the club face. This could potentially be entirely different locations for shafts of different construction - even at the same length! Therefore it is always important to compare apples with apples when using specific measurements in fitting irons to an individual. If the shafts aren't the same in terms of profile, you simply can't assume the fitted length will be the same too given the same swing speed and tempo. Good point, I should mention in this case, the shorter shaft was the AMT Red and the 1" shaft was a XP95 which according to a conversation I had with someone at True Temper is pretty much the exact same shaft. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 This is a little off topic, but I recently purchased a new set of irons and wedges. The fitter said my old set was 1/2" shorter than standard and he fit me into 1" longer than standard. That means my irons are 1.5" longer than my old set. I am still getting used to it so I can't really say at this point if the fitting is right for me. Add to it that the new irons are a club stronger and there are a lot of things new going on in my head. Another thing I wasn't aware of but seems to be quite common, is that the fitter made my PW-LW all the same length. I was used 1/2" step down across the wedges and the swing often felt too jammed up once I got down to the LW. I really like having them all the same length. No back pain either. Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Let me tell you this CG2, when I did the single length thing, I was surprised to find that the length of Cobra's 7 iron was the same as my old Nickent 8. For comparison sake, here's the length of some OEM Game Improvement 7 irons straight from the specs on their website Cobra F7 37.25 Mizuno JPX Hot Metal 36.75 Srixon 565 37 Wilson Staff C200 37.5 TM P790 36.75 TM M2 37 Callaway Steelhead XR 37 It's interesting to think about. I know a lot of people think that longer = farther, and to an extend that's true, but shorter can equal consistent and more middle which equals farther as well. Really, if anything this shows that perhaps we are too focused on the small stuff of fitting instead of the big overarching concepts the data can prove. There's no doubt that to some the little stuff can make the difference, but, and pardon the turn of phrase, focusing on a half inch difference doesn't measure up. In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Let me tell you this CG2, when I did the single length thing, I was surprised to find that the length of Cobra's 7 iron was the same as my old Nickent 8. For comparison sake, here's the length of some OEM Game Improvement 7 irons straight from the specs on their website Cobra F7 37.25 Mizuno JPX Hot Metal 36.75 Srixon 565 37 Wilson Staff C200 37.5 TM P790 36.75 TM M2 37 Callaway Steelhead XR 37 It's interesting to think about. I know a lot of people think that longer = farther, and to an extend that's true, but shorter can equal consistent and more middle which equals farther as well. Really, if anything this shows that perhaps we are too focused on the small stuff of fitting instead of the big overarching concepts the data can prove. There's no doubt that to some the little stuff can make the difference, but, and pardon the turn of phrase, focusing on a half inch difference doesn't measure up. Good stuff. I knew OEMs all had varying lengths and while they aren't are by much it just emphasies there is no standard. And I bet I would be hard pressed to tell the difference between that Hot Metal 7 and the 565 7. And I own both models. Ha G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Another thing I wasn't aware of but seems to be quite common, is that the fitter made my PW-LW all the same length. I was used 1/2" step down across the wedges and the swing often felt too jammed up once I got down to the LW. I really like having them all the same length. No back pain either. That's what I do with my wedges. I like it because I like hitting full shots with them and i find it easier to do when they're the same length as my PW Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I think my wedges and PW-9 are too short. The 8-6 are spot on and the 5-3 irons are way too damn long. Hmm. Look at that, my “spot on†clubs are right around that one length thing that's going on. Maybe there is something to that... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I think my wedges and PW-9 are too short. The 8-6 are spot on and the 5-3 irons are way too damn long. Hmm. Look at that, my “spot on†clubs are right around that one length thing that's going on. Maybe there is something to that... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I used to feel that way about my set until I spent a little more time dialing in my stance distance from the ball and ball position. Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I think my wedges and PW-9 are too short. The 8-6 are spot on and the 5-3 irons are way too damn long. Hmm. Look at that, my “spot on†clubs are right around that one length thing that's going on. Maybe there is something to that... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Hrmm In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 I think my wedges and PW-9 are too short. The 8-6 are spot on and the 5-3 irons are way too damn long. Hmm. Look at that, my “spot on†clubs are right around that one length thing that's going on. Maybe there is something to that... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Exactly. I think that is why the One Length is so appealing in so many ways. I'll be surprised if another company doesn't come out with a set in 2018. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I used to feel that way about my set until I spent a little more time dialing in my stance distance from the ball and ball position. Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy One could argue... all that extra time spent “dialing in†could have been used for something else. I think if a major professional picks up some one lengther's the trend will shift quick. Bryson is great, but he doesn't have enough firepower to make this a mainstream thing. Callaway or Taylormade make a one length and they'll most likely sell like $1 PBR's. - A.S. Sent from Winterfell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Hrmm I would like to see One Length blades. I don't like that it's only a GI category mostly. Yes, there are the Forged OL, but those are too chunky for my liking. - A.S. Sent from Winterfell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 One could argue... all that extra time spent “dialing in†could have been used for something else. I think if a major professional picks up some one lengther's the trend will shift quick. Bryson is great, but he doesn't have enough firepower to make this a mainstream thing. Callaway or Taylormade make a one length and they'll most likely sell like $1 PBR's. - A.S. Sent from Winterfell Well now we're getting into that age old debate between buying new clubs to treat the symptoms or working on your game to solve the root cause. Shoulder injury aside, I know you get to spend a decent amount of time on the range so I'd tend to think option B would serve you better. Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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