Wedge shaft test?

[Rtracymog]

I tried a search on here and I didn't see anything. If this was done, someone please direct me to the link. I was wondering if MGS had thought about doing a wedge shaft test? Usually you just match your irons or stick with the stock option. I would love to see maybe 5 guys hit the same wedge head and just change the shafts. Maybe half, 3/4 and full wedge shots with each shaft.

I think that it would be interesting to see if spin change is negligible with shaft. Or if an S400 spins more than an X100 or something along those lines.

I use C-Taper X in all my irons [heavy, stiff, low launch, low spin in case anyone isn't familiar with them (stupid on this forum, I know)] and I use the S+ in my wedges. I like to play with a lot of spin and height around the greens, but I also hit my wedges full bore often and I'm curious to see what I'm giving up, if anything.

I don't know if MGS uses Club Conex (sp.?) because that would be really the only easy way to do this. Is anyone else interested in this or am I just way overthinking this

 

 

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[revkev]

I'd like to see that test - I'm going to guess that the shaft makes less difference with wedges but could be wrong. Heck I'd be interested in the test with a putters.

 

 

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[STUDque]

I too, would be interested to see this test. I've been thinking about mine lately wondering if I should get new heads (with different lofts) or if new shafts could get me to the same place I'm trying to go.

 

 

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[Kor.A.Door]

I know shafts in the wedges can make a huge difference, I had the standard S200 wedge shafts before and I was all over the place with them, short long left right, I switched to the heavier and stiffer tour issue S400, and they are much better. It would be interesting to see a test like this, to see how much of a difference there is in shafts for different types of golfers.

[chisag]

... One of the drawbacks to MSG testing is we usually don't know who is testing what. A group analysis does me, and many others, no good at all. If a bunch of players hole more putts with putter A than B, that means very little to me. I may like the look/roll/sound/feel of one putter much more than the other and that will effect how it plays. If the info includes which golfer with what kind of swing is testing the shafts, I would be very interested. That out of the way ...

 

... wedge shafts are very personal. It really depends on what kind of shots you play, what kind of speed you use and how you swing your wedge. I play with guys using all finesse as well as guys that just hit full out aggressively. Personally I like a soft stepped twice shaft in my wedges because I play a lot of 3/4 and 1/2 shots and prefer the feel and kick. With a smooth swing the softer flex does not adversely effect my full shots. Yet another player may have a very fast transition and aggressive swing and a soft wedge flex would be a disaster. 

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... One of the drawbacks to MSG testing is we usually don't know who is testing what. A group analysis does me, and many others, no good at all. If a bunch of players hole more putts with putter A than B, that means very little to me. I may like the look/roll/sound/feel of one putter much more than the other and that will effect how it plays. If the info includes which golfer with what kind of swing is testing the shafts, I would be very interested. That out of the way ...

 

... wedge shafts are very personal. It really depends on what kind of shots you play, what kind of speed you use and how you swing your wedge. I play with guys using all finesse as well as guys that just hit full out aggressively. Personally I like a soft stepped twice shaft in my wedges because I play a lot of 3/4 and 1/2 shots and prefer the feel and kick. With a smooth swing the softer flex does not adversely effect my full shots. Yet another player may have a very fast transition and aggressive swing and a soft wedge flex would be a disaster. 

 

Bingo - particularly the second part.  Hell.  MGS has an article that talks about this exact thing with iron shafts

 

https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/21330-wedge-shaft-test/

[Rtracymog]

... One of the drawbacks to MSG testing is we usually don't know who is testing what. A group analysis does me, and many others, no good at all. If a bunch of players hole more putts with putter A than B, that means very little to me. I may like the look/roll/sound/feel of one putter much more than the other and that will effect how it plays. If the info includes which golfer with what kind of swing is testing the shafts, I would be very interested. That out of the way ...

 

... wedge shafts are very personal. It really depends on what kind of shots you play, what kind of speed you use and how you swing your wedge. I play with guys using all finesse as well as guys that just hit full out aggressively. Personally I like a soft stepped twice shaft in my wedges because I play a lot of 3/4 and 1/2 shots and prefer the feel and kick. With a smooth swing the softer flex does not adversely effect my full shots. Yet another player may have a very fast transition and aggressive swing and a soft wedge flex would be a disaster.

That's why I was hoping we could get 5 or so guys. Different tempos, swing speeds, etc. at different distance with different swings. I totally get where you're coming from though.

 

 

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[BIG STU]

I'd like to see that test - I'm going to guess that the shaft makes less difference with wedges but could be wrong. Heck I'd be interested in the test with a putters.

 

 

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OHHH trust me it makes a lot of difference. Trust me You tune a wedge shaft to a players swing and methods and you can do some stuff. Good example and this is just me. I like stiff shafted wedges in the 52 and 56 usually DG S300 hard tipped or a X100 even though I hit softer tipped shafts in my irons and regular in my woods. It is what ones swing is tuned to and what one wants to do with them. I am a big proponent of wedge tuning for an individual.

[BIG STU]

... One of the drawbacks to MSG testing is we usually don't know who is testing what. A group analysis does me, and many others, no good at all. If a bunch of players hole more putts with putter A than B, that means very little to me. I may like the look/roll/sound/feel of one putter much more than the other and that will effect how it plays. If the info includes which golfer with what kind of swing is testing the shafts, I would be very interested. That out of the way ...

 

... wedge shafts are very personal. It really depends on what kind of shots you play, what kind of speed you use and how you swing your wedge. I play with guys using all finesse as well as guys that just hit full out aggressively. Personally I like a soft stepped twice shaft in my wedges because I play a lot of 3/4 and 1/2 shots and prefer the feel and kick. With a smooth swing the softer flex does not adversely effect my full shots. Yet another player may have a very fast transition and aggressive swing and a soft wedge flex would be a disaster. 

Thanks you explained it exactly like I was trying to in my reply to Rev

[cnosil]

OHHH trust me it makes a lot of difference. Trust me You tune a wedge shaft to a players swing and methods and you can do some stuff. Good example and this is just me. I like stiff shafted wedges in the 52 and 56 usually DG S300 hard tipped or a X100 even though I hit softer tipped shafts in my irons and regular in my woods. It is what ones swing is tuned to and what one wants to do with them. I am a big proponent of wedge tuning for an individual.

 

So what is the best way to do this? Any tricks to help figure it out?

[beegee76]

When I was getting fitted for my new irons at the mizuno fitting studio in OZ, the fitter said that most iron shafts go all the way to the gap wedge and generally a softer tip shaft in the sand and lob wedges due to the varying shots played.

I'd love to see this test.

 

 

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[Kor.A.Door]

So what is the best way to do this? Any tricks to help figure it out?

Trial and error. I think you have to look at the ball flight and determine whether or not it's doing what you want it to do. Do you always push, or do you always hit a draw with the wedges. Sometimes it can be the shaft that is causing the issues. Before I switched to the tour issue S400 shafts in my wedges, I felt like I was striking the ball well, but didn't have good results, one went left, the next went right, the next was on line but short, since I switched, my ball flight is better, distance control is way better and direction is much better, same swing, same guy, different shaft. It may not be the shaft for everyone, but for many of us it is. The only miss that I have with them is left. Mostly because of set up though. When I hit 1/2 wedges or 3/4 wedges I tend to push them, but that is a setup issue and not playing for it.

[hckymeyer]

So what is the best way to do this? Any tricks to help figure it out?

Go for a fitting and hit all the different options on a monitor that will show you all the numbers.

 

Personally I just play the same shafts as my irons (c-taper s+).  I've done most of the various options (same shaft, soft stepped, one flex less etc) and in the end I couldn't really tell a difference.  So I just stick with a consistent feel that I know I like.

 

This is just my opinion, but once you find a proper fit shaft the rest is really just fine tuning.  Going one flex softer or soft stepping twice is really just a feel thing and isn't going to change spin and launch a whole lot.  Maybe a couple hundred RPM's and a degree launch.  The quality of the strike is going to be the determining factor and have a much bigger impact on spin and launch.

[BIG STU]

So what is the best way to do this? Any tricks to help figure it out?

You can experiment on your own if you do your own club work or you can go to a good fitter / club builder

[BIG STU]

Trial and error. I think you have to look at the ball flight and determine whether or not it's doing what you want it to do. Do you always push, or do you always hit a draw with the wedges. Sometimes it can be the shaft that is causing the issues. Before I switched to the tour issue S400 shafts in my wedges, I felt like I was striking the ball well, but didn't have good results, one went left, the next went right, the next was on line but short, since I switched, my ball flight is better, distance control is way better and direction is much better, same swing, same guy, different shaft. It may not be the shaft for everyone, but for many of us it is. The only miss that I have with them is left. Mostly because of set up though. When I hit 1/2 wedges or 3/4 wedges I tend to push them, but that is a setup issue and not playing for it.

In your case you were getting uncontrolled direction or deflection of the face at impact due to your swing speed. In your case that is where the stiffer shafts helped you.

[Kor.A.Door]

In your case you were getting uncontrolled direction or deflection of the face at impact due to your swing speed. In your case that is where the stiffer shafts helped you.

For sure.i could tell right away when I switched

[Rtracymog]

Go for a fitting and hit all the different options on a monitor that will show you all the numbers.

 

I think that is the issue though. How many local fitters have interchangeable wedge heads? Cleveland used to offer a couple and scratch had some when they were around, but most of the time the wedges come pre-built.

 

 

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