null Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Such a great video https://youtu.be/1cE-xqiQnIc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franks62591 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 He couldn't be more right. I watched that this morning and loved it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Watched this yesterday and enjoyed every second of it. Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Awesome video! Just wish he wouldn't beat around the bush so much when he talks 😀 Sent from my E6853 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Look at ole Adam all buffed up like a stud mule in a wagon pulling contest. I'll tell ya one thing, he don't lay the butter down heavy unless the corn is hot. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigtazzGolf Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I thoroughly enjoyed that video. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Grip n Rip it Chicks dig the LONG ball In my staff bag King F7+ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 60 - Graphite Tour X-Stiff CBX 13.5 3 Wood Atomic Irons 4-AW (reviewing) CG16 Satin 52* 588 RTX 2.0 56* and 60* Sentio Sierra 101-M Putter Proud tester of the Tommy Armour ATOMIC Irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Great video XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Great video. Hits the nail on the head. 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I feel like I just got scolded since he was talking directly to the camera Seriously though, great piece. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I feel like I just got scolded since he was talking directly to the camera Seriously though, great piece. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy LOL!! I know right. Amazing how it felt like he was addressing me directly. "Golfers are rhe dumbest smart people I know," what a great quote. But his entire take makes so much sense, why don't more of us listen? G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyj11 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Agreed with every word! MGS is why I purchased an Evnroll! It'll be in the bag for a very long time. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Look at ole Adam all buffed up like a stud mule in a wagon pulling contest. I'll tell ya one thing, he don't lay the butter down heavy unless the corn is hot. LOL! I have no idea what this means, but I like corn and butter. LOL!! I know right. Amazing how it felt like he was addressing me directly. "Golfers are rhe dumbest smart people I know," what a great quote. But his entire take makes so much sense, why don't more of us listen? Because ego. I'm guilty of it too. Wish I could get custom fit for an Evnroll . The grip is just too big and I'm scared to put a different one on and throw the whole putter off. Like retrofitting a different engine in a car, it just feels wrong to me (to use his car building analogy). Guerin needs to take a trip to Hawaii and have a big fitting day. I'll market the hell out of it. Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Makes a lot of sense. Hey AB, undo the top button mate! In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 LOL! I have no idea what this means, but I like corn and butter. Because ego. I'm guilty of it too. Wish I could get custom fit for an Evnroll . The grip is just too big and I'm scared to put a different one on and throw the whole putter off. Like retrofitting a different engine in a car, it just feels wrong to me (to use his car building analogy). Guerin needs to take a trip to Hawaii and have a big fitting day. I'll market the hell out of it. There's a standard grip available when you order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooremikea Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I would like some clarification on exactly what is a "no tech" putter. In the video he only mentioned 3 putter brands. What about new Odyssey putters, or the Cleveland Huntington Beach putters that tested well. Driver - Ping G410 Plus 10.5 - Ping Tour 65 Stiff 4 Wood - Callaway Rogue - Project X Evenflow blue 6.0 Hybrids - Titleist 818 H2 - 3(c-1) and 4(c-4) - Tensei CK Blue 70 stiff Irons - Callaway Apex CF 16 5-AW - True Temper XP 95 Steel Stiff Wedges - Ping Glide 54 SS, 58 TS Putter - Edel e1 Torque balanced Indianapolis 5.5 Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 For some reason when he started talking about the way a putter "looks" vs performance the first thing that came to my mind is "I wonder what car he drives?".... ...and then at the end of the video he talks about cars. HAHA! Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I've bought 1 boutique putter in my golfing career...worst $600 I've ever spent. It looked great, felt great, couldn't make a dang thing. Took 7 months to get it in my hands and only a few weeks before I sold it. Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 ... and it's not just the putters. Some, actually a lot, of the Cameron headcovers go for more than a hundred dollars... FOR A PUTTER HEADCOVER. Sent from my Moto G (4) using MyGolfSpy mobile app Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 ... and it's not just the putters. Some, actually a lot, of the Cameron headcovers go for more than a hundred dollars... FOR A PUTTER HEADCOVER. Sent from my Moto G (4) using MyGolfSpy mobile app But I don't think he was attacking the price point or collection of the boutique brands. He actually said by all means collect the stuff, just dont expect it to make your game better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I would like some clarification on exactly what is a "no tech" putter. In the video he only mentioned 3 putter brands. What about new Odyssey putters, or the Cleveland Huntington Beach putters that tested well. Basically a no tech putter as discussed in the video is a putter that doesn't have a face that helps ensure the ball rolls consistent distances on miss hits or as is discussed with the evnroll that the ball will curve back toward the center on miss hits. I don't believe any Odyssey insert accomplishes this; to me the face is just a mushy feel that mutes the feel on off center hits. Another manufacturer that would be considered is Bobby Grace and some if his inserts. After having tested all of those putters, I believe in evnroll insert does help get a consistent roll on misshits. The "tech" is based on how much material comes into contact with the ball and how much energy is transferred to the ball. Less mass in the center provides less energy and as you move out there is more material to transfer more energy. That said, I believe that there will be benefit from faces that help on misshits provided there is feedback on where you misshit the ball so you can determine why the ball went a certain distance or direction. I have a hard time with the assertion that the ball will curve back toward the center when misshit. I also believe that tech on a poorly fit putter will not make up for the poor fit and that a properly fit putter will help you have a more consistent strike and potentially eliminate some of the need for the tech. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I sure would like to know how he feels about Edel technology... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Basically a no tech putter as discussed in the video is a putter that doesn't have a face that helps ensure the ball rolls consistent distances on miss hits or as is discussed with the evnroll that the ball will curve back toward the center on miss hits. I don't believe any Odyssey insert accomplishes this; to me the face is just a mushy feel that mutes the feel on off center hits. Another manufacturer that would be considered is Bobby Grace and some if his inserts. After having tested all of those putters, I believe in evnroll insert does help get a consistent roll on misshits. The "tech" is based on how much material comes into contact with the ball and how much energy is transferred to the ball. Less mass in the center provides less energy and as you move out there is more material to transfer more energy. That said, I believe that there will be benefit from faces that help on misshits provided there is feedback on where you misshit the ball so you can determine why the ball went a certain distance or direction. I have a hard time with the assertion that the ball will curve back toward the center when misshit. I also believe that tech on a poorly fit putter will make up for the poor fit and that a properly fit putter will help you have a more consistent strike and potentially eliminate some of the need for the tech. MLA tech is visual, per their site... The face has grooves, but a lot of putters now have some type of “grooveâ€. To me the video is only talking about putters that are “off the rackâ€, even just the ones in MGS testing. The weighting alone that Edel does with their putters- whether in the handle, head, or both, is more tech than any company I've seen yet. Add the visual theory of the curved/straight putter head and the lines/no lines, there is a TON of tech. But, Edel isn't an off the rack company. I am biased, though! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 I sure would like to know how he feels about Edel technology... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I'm sure his stance will be the same as it is with any company -- if you have the data to back it up, that it can improve a golfers' game, he will stand behind it. Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooremikea Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 MLA tech is visual, per their site... The face has grooves, but a lot of putters now have some type of “grooveâ€. To me the video is only talking about putters that are “off the rackâ€, even just the ones in MGS testing. The weighting alone that Edel does with their putters- whether in the handle, head, or both, is more tech than any company I've seen yet. Add the visual theory of the curved/straight putter head and the lines/no lines, there is a TON of tech. But, Edel isn't an off the rack company. I am biased, though! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy This is part of the my confusion. The MLA has "alignment tech" but no face grooves to make miss hits go the same distance. Ping and Evnroll have the face tech but the rest of the putter is like any other putter on the market. In the most wanted 2017 the Odyssey #7 scored well but there is no special tech for alignment or miss hit forgiveness other than maybe more MOI. Loved the rant and really appreciate what he had to say. I would like some clarification on what "tech" he was referring to. Actually donated a little bit of money because of his passion. Driver - Ping G410 Plus 10.5 - Ping Tour 65 Stiff 4 Wood - Callaway Rogue - Project X Evenflow blue 6.0 Hybrids - Titleist 818 H2 - 3(c-1) and 4(c-4) - Tensei CK Blue 70 stiff Irons - Callaway Apex CF 16 5-AW - True Temper XP 95 Steel Stiff Wedges - Ping Glide 54 SS, 58 TS Putter - Edel e1 Torque balanced Indianapolis 5.5 Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 he don't lay the butter down heavy unless the corn is hot. Ah man, I was just about to post this exact thing. Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm sure his stance will be the same as it is with any company -- if you have the data to back it up, that it can improve a golfers' game, he will stand behind it. I think that is probably a fair statement. There was an Edel putter in the testing and while Edel is primarily known for custom fitting you can buy them off the rack. We were not custom fit for any of the putters which is why I would still recommend getting fit for the putter. This is part of the my confusion. The MLA has "alignment tech" but no face grooves to make miss hits go the same distance. Ping and Evnroll have the face tech but the rest of the putter is like any other putter on the market. In the most wanted 2017 the Odyssey #7 scored well but there is no special tech for alignment or miss hit forgiveness other than maybe more MOI. Loved the rant and really appreciate what he had to say. I would like some clarification on what "tech" he was referring to. Actually donated a little bit of money because of his passion. Sorry, yes the MLA is visual; I was just thinking Ping and EvnRoll. During my testing, I just couldn't see what the MLA putter was supposed to be doing. Regarding performance across the board, you would have to look at strokes gained over time and not a single round. The bottom line is you need to find the putter that works for you. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This video he made makes me really want to go get a putter fitting now Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This video he made makes me really want to go get a putter fitting now Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Trying to convince my girl that I need to go to Carlsbad and see Guerin, or trying to convince Evnroll that they need a Hawaiian holiday while it's getting cold across the pond Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Trying to convince my girl that I need to go to Carlsbad and see Guerin, or trying to convince Evnroll that they need a Hawaiian holiday while it's getting cold across the pond I'm going to be in San Diego at some point in the next year. Not to far from Carlsbad if you know what I mean. I was originally thinking about an Edel, but the tech in the EVNROLL has me hooked. Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 I'm going to be in San Diego at some point in the next year. Not to far from Carlsbad if you know what I mean. I was originally thinking about an Edel, but the tech in the EVNROLL has me hooked.They're great putters, I had an ER7 for a while, but I learned that mallets just aren't meant for me Sent from my Pixel XL using MyGolfSpy mobile app Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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