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So far tied for “Bag Duty” with the Odyssey 7. I think I may change MLA grip to Super Stroke 2.0 and that will put it over the top.

 

 

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I'm also thinking a different grip like what you suggest is going to happen on my MLA. The stock grip doesn't feel right to me.

 

 

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I'm also thinking a different grip like what you suggest is going to happen on my MLA. The stock grip doesn't feel right to me.

 

 

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If you get a chance, also check out the Forward golf grip. Not for everyone, of course, but at least worth a look.

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If you get a chance, also check out the Forward golf grip. Not for everyone, of course, but at least worth a look.

Googled it. Looks interesting.

 

 

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Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior  
5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr       
7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr      
5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2     
Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2
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Isn't the stock grip a forward grip just with MLA branding?

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Actually, I answered my own question before hitting reply so here's the rest of what I found:

 

The Tour Black edition gets the grip shown above (Forward, mid).

 

 

The Tour and Pro series gets this one (Winn, pistol, STD):

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And the Tour Blade F&T gets these choices of the Forward grip:

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The MLA customer service is really a great group so I'd bet you can order them with whichever grip you prefer. I can say that the SS 2.0 that Jmikecpa has on his feels really good. It's just a little small for my hands so I'd be a 3.0 guy if I was doing it myself.

 

Never got to try the Forward or Winn stock grips so I can't comment on my feelings towards them. I think I read in a few places that the Forward grips weren't jiving with the testers.

 

 

 

 

 

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Isn't the stock grip a forward grip just with MLA branding?

attachicon.gifIMG_6336.PNG

 

 

 

Actually, I answered my own question before hitting reply so here's the rest of what I found:

 

The Tour Black edition gets the grip shown above (Forward, mid).

 

 

The Tour and Pro series gets this one (Winn, pistol, STD):

attachicon.gifIMG_6337.PNGattachicon.gifIMG_6338.PNG

 

 

 

 

And the Tour Blade F&T gets these choices of the Forward grip:

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The MLA customer service is really a great group so I'd bet you can order them with whichever grip you prefer. I can say that the SS 2.0 that Jmikecpa has on his feels really good. It's just a little small for my hands so I'd be a 3.0 guy if I was doing it myself.

 

Never got to try the Forward or Winn stock grips so I can't comment on my feelings towards them. I think I read in a few places that the Forward grips weren't jiving with the testers.

 

 

 

 

 

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I went to the Club Shop here this morning and of course forgot the MLA putter had the Odyssey in the bag.

They have a lot of grips but no Forward if Flat Cat. After fooling around with the grips that are available I'm between the SS 2.0 and a Ping over sized that felt pretty good.

Probably a trip back there Friday when I have some time.

 

 

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Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior  
5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr       
7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr      
5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2     
Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2
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Ha ha ha.. I guess they were the second type of people..

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Some interesting discussions on the MGS Facebook and twitter pages regarding putters and technology.

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Kind of late to the party... but a finely expressed series of statements. This is one of the reasons I use a ping craz-e. Is it ugly? Yes, subjectively. Motorcycle man? Check. Lots of alignment aids? For me big plus. It fits my stroke, I like the weight, and I end up putting less (usually 2 putt, and manage to make some).

 

I formally tried everything under the sun. Perimeter weighted, mallets, and oversized. Changed grips more than enough times.

 

Then one day just tried a craz-e for giggles and boom, wish I found it sooner.

When ping released sigma g craze, I bit quickly, it's my putter for the golf season. Using my g2i for practice, but I did try others before buy (even Scotty but way out of $$$, couldn't find ketch to try yet).

 

This is why I enjoy MGS above all other forums. Really golfers, real stats, and real results.

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Some interesting discussions on the MGS Facebook and twitter pages regarding putters and technology.

 

I like the response that Adam gave to all those that discussed tour players......Just because they are good with the putter they have today doesn't mean than can't putt better with some additional tech.   

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I like the response that Adam gave to all those that discussed tour players......Just because they are good with the putter they have today doesn't mean than can't putt better with some additional tech.

Yep. Makes perfect sense. I read that thread and so many people as usual ate too anxious to spout off their expertise, they don't even listen or in this case Read the actual original comment.

 

 

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Here is another way to think about it that might click:

 

We all would agree there are drivers that perform better than other drivers.  Irons that perform better than other irons. Wedges better than other wedges and so on and so on....

 

The same is true with putters.

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Here is another way to think about it that might click:

 

We all would agree there are drivers that perform better than other drivers.  Irons that perform better than other irons. Wedges better than other wedges and so on and so on....

 

The same is true with putters.

Yep, pretty straight forward and simple, really. 

 

I know I picked up and tried a putter the other day from years gone by that was supposed to be one of the more technically advanced putters at the time (probably 15 years ago) and it simply did not perform near as well as a my current putter that had newer and more current technology in it.

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Here is another way to think about it that might click:

 

We all would agree there are drivers that perform better than other drivers. Irons that perform better than other irons. Wedges better than other wedges and so on and so on....

 

The same is true with putters.

Agree with that statement. Putters just like any other club need to be fit to the player to get closer to optimal performance. Most players can pick up any club and have the ability to hit acceptable shots. The reason for bulge faces, weight distribution, MOI, etc is to help a player when you don't make a perfect swing. Pros make about 70% of their putts from 6 feet and the probably miss a lot of them due to less than perfect strikes. Incorporating tech that could help them improve that number to even 75% would be a pretty significant decrease in score. Same putter, same look, same feel but with something that helps correct for an open or closed clubface or strike that hits a little bit off from center should be something every golfer would want and see the value in owning.

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Fit & Putter.  They both matter.  Not an either or.

 

 

Agree with that statement. Putters just like any other club need to be fit to the player to get closer to optimal performance. Most players can pick up any club and have the ability to hit acceptable shots. The reason for bulge faces, weight distribution, MOI, etc is to help a player when you don't make a perfect swing. Pros make about 70% of their putts from 6 feet and the probably miss a lot of them due to less than perfect strikes. Incorporating tech that could help them improve that number to even 75% would be a pretty significant decrease in score. Same putter, same look, same feel but with something that helps correct for an open or closed clubface or strike that hits a little bit off from center should be something every golfer would want and see the value in owning.

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Fit & Putter. They both matter. Not an either or.

Agree 100%. Hopefully, i communicated that thought in what I wrote.

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With drivers people can hit a new driver once or twice and see the results of certain technological advancements in real time. Those sort of instant and obvious results just won't be there from hitting a handful of putts.

 

Like I even mentioned in my ER2 forum review, I'd had been foolish to say I could show how the technology works with a small sample size of personal data over a limited time, and because I am not a robot. .robot testing does visually show the technology working and my testing, over many rounds, shows the strokes gained is real and it because of technology.

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Welp, looks like I should be looking at putters and not using the same one that's been in my bag for fifteen years. lol!

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I try.....

 

 

 

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All I can say is wow!   Not sure who was following MGS on facebook, twitter, or instagram today but there was a little debate going on about tech vs non tech putters.  Interesting stuff to read and a great diagram to show how the tech works.    

 

The good part of me is that i get an opportunity to test the below putter in the most wanted testing.  Unofficially tested it out today....great craftsmanship as expected but beyond the looks it falls in line with most anser style putters.  

 

Cr6zfED.jpg

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Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

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All I can say is wow! Not sure who was following MGS on facebook, twitter, or instagram today but there was a little debate going on about tech vs non tech putters. Interesting stuff to read and a great diagram to show how the tech works.

 

The good part of me is that i get an opportunity to test the below putter in the most wanted testing. Unofficially tested it out today....great craftsmanship as expected but beyond the looks it falls in line with most anser style putters.

 

Cr6zfED.jpg

Good for you looking forward to your results after driving it around the block. Have fun

 

 

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Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior  
5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr       
7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr      
5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2     
Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2
Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56*

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All I can say is wow! Not sure who was following MGS on facebook, twitter, or instagram today but there was a little debate going on about tech vs non tech putters. Interesting stuff to read and a great diagram to show how the tech works.

 

The good part of me is that i get an opportunity to test the below putter in the most wanted testing. Unofficially tested it out today....great craftsmanship as expected but beyond the looks it falls in line with most anser style putters.

 

Cr6zfED.jpg

Can you post a link to what you were reading? Thx!

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7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R)

4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3)
5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3)
6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 
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Can you post a link to what you were reading? Thx!

Just go to the mygolfspy twitter, Facebook, or Instagram feed to see the ones that started there.

 

Here are some links to get you started on twitter

https://twitter.com/mygolfspy/status/961661890228301825

 

https://twitter.com/mygolfspy/status/961653696189943808

 

https://twitter.com/golfspyt/status/961618180719435776

 

https://twitter.com/mygolfspy/status/961597900097773568

 

https://twitter.com/mygolfspy/status/961590214102790144

 

Phil Kenyon's feed also has a lot of banter on the topic

 

https://twitter.com/swashputting/status/961769006586834944

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Cnosil, I lack the context of previous discussions with Kenyon and his offer of testing. What happened there, and what did he question?

 

Does anyone have any comparisons for the LPGA players that I have seen using the Evnroll putters? On course data would be great to share.

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Cnosil, I lack the context of previous discussions with Kenyon and his offer of testing. What happened there, and what did he question?

 

Does anyone have any comparisons for the LPGA players that I have seen using the Evnroll putters? On course data would be great to share.

It would be difficult to post all the individual tweets related to the discussion. Best was to see the context would be to go to Phil Kenyon's twitter feed and start scrolling through.

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                :titelist-small: 915H  24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype        
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
Putter:   :taylormade-small:TM-180

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It would be difficult to post all the individual tweets related to the discussion. Best was to see the context would be to go to Phil Kenyon's twitter feed and start scrolling through.

Thanks. I read through it yesterday along with Evnroll's response.

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Wish I could get my hands on some of this new Tech, sadly I am a lefty, and they don't make this new tech for us. One model if we are lucky, and no one ever has one to try. Last time I went to GG in the area they had 3 LH putters for sale in the entire store, and hundreds of right handed. There are enough left handed golfer around now that keeping some LH equipment in the store makes some sense. Because they don't activley promote the lefty golfer I Just don't buy from there. Tech sounds good, but when it's minimally available to the lefty market, it does no good for us, and we are left searching and guessing.

Lefties are always in their Right Mind

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