SPY VIP GolfSpy_X Posted November 14, 2017 SPY VIP Share Posted November 14, 2017 Let's speak some truth here: First lets discuss the first topic and the one the was actually brought up. REAL QUESTION HERE: Do you have the right to sell something you own? 100% of people I assume will answer yes to that. For those there is no need to read any further. Because if so, the fact that someone tells you that you can't is like I said "absurd". If for some strange reason you answered no, let's discuss and hopefully move this discussion forward rather then where Tyson and his Lambassadors hope for this to go which is sideways or any way other then dealing with the fact that the way he does things rubs everyone we speak to the wrong way. So, first off no putter he sent was ever sold. Even though we have the right to do whatever we want with it. Once again we own it, that gives us the right to sell it, recycle it, etc. etc. We had a graphic designer that reached out and basically begged to design our new website. He said he would not accept payment, only golf equipment. We have never done a contract like that before and told him we preferred payment, for legal reasons. He assured us that he was well off enough to not need the money and was the biggest golf club junkie ever and loved that all he wanted was a Tyson Lamb. Once again we told him we preferred to pay in cash. He refused. So we sent him a Tyson Lamb putter and many other golf items like he requested. That is bartering and that is a form of business that has gone on since the first days of commerce. Secondly, Dan Mann posted a joke of sorts on Instagram about anyone wanting to buy one of his Tyson Lamb putters. Once again...never sold. So, if you are keeping track so far. No putters actually sold. One bartered. Now on to the real part which is what we are about. I have known about Tyson for close to 10 years. First met him when we dealt with his first failed buckle company. I think it was called Identity belts for those that might remember. He contacted us because he wanted coverage and never sent product after months of excuses. Then I contacted him before anyone really knew about him and told him he had one hellova a future in putter design and would love to work with him since we both had a passion. After a couple of phone calls I quickly realized that would not be a possibility. Parternships are built on relationships and I knew working with Tyson would be impossible. No need to sugarcoat. That does not mean that we do not cover what we think deserves covering. He once again reached out seeing how he could work with us. So far we have written about Tyson 4 times and 4 times HE offered to send putters. These aren't "gifts" folks they are for content purposes like any other form of content we produce. This is the norm not the outlier. Let me remind all of you that when we write articles about golf companies or brands they typically either send us equipment for testing or for photographical purposes. Once again we never sold one of his putters but let me explain to you that answered "no" why we have the right. We run a business. We test clubs. That facility you see and the employees that work here cost money. Quite a bit of it. These tests also provide value for consumers and the industry. The amount of effort and cost that goes in to running this facility, this operation, this business have to be paid for. Do people actually expect us to test clubs for 10 years and collect clubs like we run a museum? We get equipment in, we test equipment, we then give the best performing equipment for our testers away to them in evert category, we raffle equipment, we donate equipment, we run contests on social media for equipment. By the way all costs quite a bit of money to ship to these people. Once again all raising the cost of running a business. We are not a non-profit or a charity. In order to continue staying in business we have to make money. So, the second that equipment hits our facility we become the owners of that equipment and the entire industry knows this. Therefore we can do whatever we please with said equipment. The fact that he or anyone else doesn't get this is insane. And at the end of the day Tyson has just burnt yet another bridge in a small industry with very few bridges. Something he has shown a pattern of doing in his 10 or so years trying to find a way in this industry. There is more to being successful than being creative. In close to 20 years in the golf industry I have NEVER worked with a person as difficult and as arrogant as Tyson Lamb. Never. And I have never had someones mom call us or leave comments in the comment section. That explains much of the above. #TruthDigest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I really appreciate that post, Adam. Transparency is always a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I'm sure anyone buying one of his putters isn't buying with the intention of flipping. What if they just can't sink putts with it? Is it a crime to sell it and move on?Absolutely not. If it doesn't work for you, it's not doing you any good. If I dropped that kind of money on it, maybe I would talk to Tyson directly and see what he could do. If he told me nothing, then I would be trying to get as much as I could for it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeasy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 This isn't hard. The putter wasn't given away. It was sent to be reviewed. A review that arguably put them on a map. Personally, I'd be so ecstatic, there'd be more in the mail to both Dan and HQ. It's amazing how quickly golf consumers jump to communism these days: "you can't charge that", "you can't release that many clubs", "you can't sell that". Maybe get permission from Chairman Mao before your next step. <p><strong>D:</strong> 9* G400 Max w/Xcalibur TSL</p><p> </p><p><strong>F: </strong> 14* XR Pro 16 w/Hzrdous Red</p><p><strong>I:</strong> SLS-01 4-SW w/Paderson SL</p><p><strong>W:</strong> DGR 59 w/Dynamic Gold SL</p><p><strong>P:</strong> Artisan 0318 or Edel TB</p><p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeasy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 IMG_0081.JPG I stand with Tyson on this one. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Way to ruin everything Matt Mann. You're the worst... <p><strong>D:</strong> 9* G400 Max w/Xcalibur TSL</p><p> </p><p><strong>F: </strong> 14* XR Pro 16 w/Hzrdous Red</p><p><strong>I:</strong> SLS-01 4-SW w/Paderson SL</p><p><strong>W:</strong> DGR 59 w/Dynamic Gold SL</p><p><strong>P:</strong> Artisan 0318 or Edel TB</p><p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I really appreciate that post, Adam. Transparency is always a good thing.I 110% agree Adam coming here and clarifying it for the folks of this forum is great. It's not often you see someone in charge of a business so transparent or open about something that happened. Once something is tested and it doesn't work for you why keep it?? Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 So...I guess there won't be anymore Lamb articles on the blog going forward? G-dang-it. So for the guys who run this site, who has become a bigger horse's butt to deal with? Taylormade or TL? Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted November 14, 2017 SPY VIP Share Posted November 14, 2017 Every minute that Dan spent with that putter photographing, testing, and writing had monetary value. To imply that Tyson received nothing for that putter is silly. Take away that early, very early, publicity and Lambcrafted may not have even happened. Seems like his time would be better spent milling putters. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy_X Posted November 14, 2017 SPY VIP Share Posted November 14, 2017 Not true. If he does something worth telling golfers we will continue to run our business the way we always have. We will tell you. Also if he ever runs a production model that has enough inventory we will test it. But in the last conversation i had with him he does not think that will happen anytime soon. So...I guess there won't be anymore Lamb articles on the blog going forward? G-dang-it. So for the guys who run this site, who has become a bigger horse's butt to deal with? Taylormade or TL? #TruthDigest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeasy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Not true. If he does something worth telling golfers we will continue to run our business the way we always have. We will tell you. Also if he ever runs a production model that has enough inventory we will test it. But in the last conversation i had with him he does not think that will happen anytime soon. Side topic: Is that an availability issue for if they win, a can you make this more than once repeatability issue, or both? <p><strong>D:</strong> 9* G400 Max w/Xcalibur TSL</p><p> </p><p><strong>F: </strong> 14* XR Pro 16 w/Hzrdous Red</p><p><strong>I:</strong> SLS-01 4-SW w/Paderson SL</p><p><strong>W:</strong> DGR 59 w/Dynamic Gold SL</p><p><strong>P:</strong> Artisan 0318 or Edel TB</p><p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy_X Posted November 14, 2017 SPY VIP Share Posted November 14, 2017 Side topic: Is that an availability issue for if they win, a can you make this more than once repeatability issue, or both? We have to assume any one that enters will win. That being said they have to be able to fulfill demand to be included. Otherwise there is no real reason to be included. Our job is to put the best performing equipment in golfers bags. We can't do that with clubs that win that you can't bag. #TruthDigest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dang3rtown Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 You either own something or you don't. If you own it, you can sell it. Black and white issue. If it was a personal gift, perhaps selling is a bit tacky but this was not a gift. It was an exchange of product for advertising and exposure to potential consumers. The issue here is the stupendous arrogance of Tyson Lamb to think that his creation is somehow so special, such a unique and amazing work of art that it something akin to divine inspiration and above the laws of commerce! Get over yourself! You make ball tapping sticks. Driver: G 10.5* W/Tour Stiff 65g Ping Shaft Fairway Woods: Cobra F6 13.5*, F6 Baffler 16* Irons: Split Set- i200 3i - 7i , Ft Worth 15s, 8 (36), 9 (40), PW (44) Wedges: TK, 52* & 56* Putter: Sigma G Kushin Bag: Hoofer 5way Balls: TP5/X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Get over yourself! You make ball tapping sticks. Ball tapping sticks. In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 When I have something of beauty that just doesn't work for me, I do a "long-term loan" not a sale. If an item has been sold, all responsibility (even backward responsibility- buyer beware) is assumed by the buyer. End of story. This is a publicity move. WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGary6 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 When I have something of beauty that just doesn't work for me, I do a "long-term loan" not a sale. If an item has been sold, all responsibility (even backward responsibility- buyer beware) is assumed by the buyer. End of story. This is a publicity move. I don't know about a publicity move, but maybe just a case of someone trying to make a quick $3,100. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Callaway Rouge ST Max Driver, Tensei AV Blue 55 S Callaway Rouge ST Max 3 Fairway, Tensei AV Blue 65 S Callaway Rouge ST Max 3 Hybrid, Tensei AV Blue 75 S PXG 0311 XP G3 Irons 5-GW, True Temper Elevate Tour S PXG 0311 Sugar Daddy Wedge 54º, 60º, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 PXG Blackjack Putter Titleist Pro V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Ginned up quite a fuss pretty quick, hasn't it? WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 As someone who knew nothing about Lamb before this site/blog and seeing his behavior, I'd never buy one now. I dont see what good him lambasting the seller publicly would do for him or his company. How does that make you look like someone youd want to work with Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Some cool terms came out of this thread Lambassadors Lambasting Ball tapping sticks I could probably make up a few more: Lambent-wishing you hadn't gone on a Twitter tirade Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Some cool terms came out of this thread Lambassadors Lambasting Ball tapping sticks I could probably make up a few more: Lambent-wishing you hadn't gone on a Twitter tirade Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Apparently I made a pun and didnt even realize it! HA +1 for me Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I saw Tysons IG post this mornign before I realzed what was going on and I didn't even realize it was MGS he was talking about, don't know if it was mentioned in the comments as I didn't read them. But he came off to me as someone who thinks he's much more important than he really is. Considering I had never even heard of him until I joined MGS, and even after that I didn't do much research on him or his putters as it wasn't something that appealed to me. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I saw Tysons IG post this mornign before I realzed what was going on and I didn't even realize it was MGS he was talking about, don't know if it was mentioned in the comments as I didn't read them. But he came off to me as someone who thinks he's much more important than he really is. Considering I had never even heard of him until I joined MGS, and even after that I didn't do much research on him or his putters as it wasn't something that appealed to me. It is only a matter of time before someone as insecure as him self destructs. It's a shame because he is clearly talented and passionate - but he does not have the mental makeup to survive long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eseay32 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 So you sign up to do a review for MGS. You get the product, do the review and knock it out the park. Now I find out that after you have completed all obligations that you decide the product isn't a great fit for you and you'd like to sell it and move on. Do you think I have any right to throw a hissy fit and start getting all my fellow golf spies to call you out and bash you all over the internet? I don't think so Grow up I don't know but I'd be willing to do another review and knock it out of the park. Then we can go from there on the next steps! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy <p>Knoxville, TN 8 Hdcp PXG 0811 10.59deg loft Ping G25 3 wood Titleist 2i rescue Ping I irons +1 upright Vokey Sm5 52, 56, OdysseyRed 2Ball Fang with 1.0 super stroke</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Some cool terms came out of this thread Lambassadors Lambasting Ball tapping sticks I could probably make up a few more: Lambent-wishing you hadn't gone on a Twitter tirade Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Stud I always rely on you for a laugh. Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Adam, do you have a written agreement in place when vendors send you equipment? I'm sure this and future issues can be avoided if it's clearly spelled out who owns said equipment after the testing. Sorry you had to go through that though. MDGolfHacker TSssWhat's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 I personally am all in on the donut ball markers. I am also sure he thinks that Krispy Kreme is ripping off his donut innovation. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGoBlue100 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 ...no putter he sent was ever sold. No putters actually sold. One bartered. Do people actually expect us to test clubs for 10 years and collect clubs like we run a museum? Said all you needed to say. TL has received more publicity from this than he's probably had in five years. Still pissed I didn't win your “The Pill†hat in the raffle the other day. This isn't over... #powertotheplayer Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy "Where'd it go?" "Right in the Lumberyard..." Gen 2 0811 XF 10.5* Graphite Design Tour AD DI-6x Gen 2 0211 15* 3W Mitsubishi Tensei Raw Blue 65-S Tour B JGR 15* Fairway UST ProForce V2 7F5 76g X-Flex (These two are gonna fight it out in early "24 to see who stays in the bag...) Tour B JGR 19* & 22* Hybrid UST ProForce V2 90g X-Flex Tour B JGR HF-2 irons (5i - PW) KBS Tour 130x CBX Wedges (50, 54, 58) TT Dynamic Gold 115 Wedge Shaft MATI Mamo Putter 33" Super Stroke Football League 3.0 Slim Hoofer Camo Stand Bag Precision Pro Nexus Rangefinder FAN! PRO Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Said all you needed to say. TL has received more publicity from this than he's probably had in five years. Still pissed I didn't win your “The Pill†hat in the raffle the other day. This isn't over... #powertotheplayer Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy There might be someone willing to make you one for $2500. Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 The reason I posted this thread was because when I read it on the blog or what ever I could not believe it. This has certainly been educational. Now I am not a fan of those boutique or micro artesian putters as someone calls them. Nothing wrong with them just not my cup of tea. I absolutely hate people that are full of themselves and do not think their s**t stinks. Tyson Lamb certainly fits the bill IMHO. I would not own one of his putters if I even picked it off he scrap pile for .25 a the yard. Oh wait a minute yes I would where I could publicize on here that I sold it to Joe Blow for x amount of dollars. If Mr Lamb did not like it I would invite him here to Garden City Beach SC to a "come to Jesus meeting" face to face. Now Adam told it straight out as always. It cost MGS time which equals money to test and do the write up on the product. Adam and the Staff folks have to eat too. I guess Adam could say what the exposure on here is worth in monetary terms. I am sure it is worth more than the putter sold for. I do a little club hoeing and club flipping especially the classic stuff. I do business like my old man. I do not look to hit a home run all the time just make a little profit. I am also like him in the fact that if say someone buys a club from me for say $25 and flips it for $35 or $40 I have no problem with that at all. Hey I made my little bump to begin with trust me. Like I said in the beginning this was educational because I could not believe it. Adam set the record straight as always I will say this screw Tyson Lamb and hope he reads this because the "come to Jesus" invitation is always open and I flat out mean it. I ain't hard to find Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sschaffer24 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 All I have to say is that being in the sales business as a profession has taught me a tremendous amount about the agreements made between people and what is kosher on both sides of the table. What I find troubling about all of this is the sense of entitlement that people have. When you use provide a product in exchange for advertising/exposure that is payment for the service rendered. In what corner of the world does that come with the impression that the person creating the product retains any control over the use/sale or value of the product provided? What really confuses me about this entire situation is how basic of a principle of business that idea truly is. Goods are sold and traded every day. If we make a deal and I receive something from you in the deal. The item received is now mine. That is a fundamental principle of the american business system and a core american value. For someone who is SO into tailoring their creative process around american principles/manufacturing it blows my mind that the most basic concept of it all has been lost! Wow. TS3 8.75 with HZRDOUS Yellow and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. XR 16 3W & 5W with HZRDOUS Red shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. U65 4i with Fujikura MCI shaft and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. AP3 5-PW with Accra Tour 110i shafts and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. SM7 50F, 54S and 60M grinds with Dynamic Gold 120 Tour Issue S400 and Black MicroPerf Best Grips. Queen B #6 with 34" Stability Shaft and P2 Aware Tour Grip. Pro-V1 Golf Ball. Jones Utility Golf Bag. Dormie Custom Headcovers. Bushnell Pro X2 Laser Rangefinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 All I have to say is that being in the sales business as a profession has taught me a tremendous amount about the agreements made between people and what is kosher on both sides of the table. What I find troubling about all of this is the sense of entitlement that people have. When you use provide a product in exchange for advertising/exposure that is payment for the service rendered. In what corner of the world does that come with the impression that the person creating the product retains any control over the use/sale or value of the product provided? What really confuses me about this entire situation is how basic of a principle of business that idea truly is. Goods are sold and traded every day. If we make a deal and I receive something from you in the deal. The item received is now mine. That is a fundamental principle of the american business system and a core american value. For someone who is SO into tailoring their creative process around american principles/manufacturing it blows my mind that the most basic concept of it all has been lost! Wow. That boded part nails it right there. How there could even be any discussion or thoughts to the contrary are bewildering. G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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