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I'm curious about advantages/disadvantages to playing the wedges that come with your iron set.  I've never invested in a separate PW or GW, just always used the one included in my iron set.  I've noticed that Cleveland CBX (and possibly others I'm not aware of) are individual wedges targeted toward the guys that play cavity back irons. Am I missing out on an opportunity to save strokes or just stick with the forgiveness built into my cavity back iron set?

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I will use the PW only out of a set. They are designed to help you hit full shots. They aren't designed for half shots, “creative shots” etc where you need that sole and bounce for sliding through a bunker/rough etc. if you use your SW for everything then it's not an awful idea just to use your standard PW or GW.

 

 

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Its all a comfort level. If you play well with them, why change. However I always struggled with the high loft wedges that came with the set and upgraded.  Looking that you have a 16 handicap you may benefit from it. If you're new to the game until you get your swing down it doesnt matter what clubs you use (to an extent)

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I've done both. I've opted for a 50* wedge, and I've gone the “set” GW/AW. For me, I liked the set wedge when I had it, but I also like my current 50* that's not a match to the set. I don't get creative with my 50*, so I've never felt like I lost anything by sticking with the set wedge. Edel doesn't make a GW that matches my current set, so only one choice to go with.

 

My 50* is almost always used for full shots, so, I really think I'd be ok either way.

 

 

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We've had several threads about blended sets so you may wish to review those. My handicap is a bit lower than yours but this isn't always about that.

 

A players club for one or two of your wedges might be a great idea because they are more versatile. You could go something like 45 from your set 50 (players) 55 (from your set) 60 players.

 

You'd want the 55 to be your primary sand, thick rough club in this scenario.

 

Its something nag to talk through with your teacher and then have a short game lesson once you get your wedges set.

 

 

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All good answers on here as usual. I can say this it is subjective like everything else in golf. You gotta do what fits your comfort level is what I always practice and preach (how's that Rev? LOL). 

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It seems that it is becoming necessary to go with a true PW outside of a set. As clubs have delofted modern PWs have gone 8-10 degrees stronger. The old ones were around 48 degrees. If your not purchasing extra wedges you could have some odd gaps.

 

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You could definitely go either way depending on what you are comfortable with.

One piece of advice I think is good is to ask yourself is how you typically use that club. If you typically only use your gap wedge on full shots it probably makes more sense to get one that goes with the set. If you like to use it in a variety of ways, then maybe a specialty wedge is more appropriate.

One thing to keep in mind is that as the lofts have shifted over the years (whether or not this is a good thing is a whole other topic for another thread). So a 9 iron of old is now called a PW. This is how we got the GW in the first place, to fill the gap left by the numbers shifting. I've typically used a set gap wedge but the CB-X wedges you mentioned have got me considering going with one of those for a gap wedge since they are actually cavity backs—I really like the concept of this particular model—I think it makes a whole ton of sense for those of us that like to play cavity backs and particularly GI irons.

 

 

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As I reviewed the specs on my irons, I definitely see the stronger lofts you mentioned in the PW and GW.  If I only have a 60* wedge in my bag for sand/rough shots, that leaves a 10 degree gap.

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I have a wedge question:

 

I have always used the PW that comes with the irons. I use it for a variety of shots from full swing to half swing to bump and run. I tend to be a divot taker more than a picker. What is the optimal sole grind for a club that gets used this way?

 

Also, how do you determine what sole grind best suits your swing and course conditions? There are so many different sole grinds to choose from.... it's very confusing. It would help if wedge manufacturers would give a simple run down on what each grind is for.

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I find these far more useful and versatile than wedges that are part of an iron set or simply having all be conventional wedges ... :rolleyes:

 

 

niblick.jpg  NIBLICK PW

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niblickSW.jpg NIBLICK SW

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Like PMookie I've done both. I usually carry 3 wedges not from my iron set but am actually going to order a AW to match my Srixon 765 irons. Those are full shot clubs to me so I'd rather have them match up. I think of 54 degree and up as my "short game" clubs so want those to be more specialized.

 

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I have a wedge question:

 

I have always used the PW that comes with the irons. I use it for a variety of shots from full swing to half swing to bump and run. I tend to be a divot taker more than a picker. What is the optimal sole grind for a club that gets used this way?

 

Also, how do you determine what sole grind best suits your swing and course conditions? There are so many different sole grinds to choose from.... it's very confusing. It would help if wedge manufacturers would give a simple run down on what each grind is for.

I believe it's low bounce. Good for soft ground and diggers.

 

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One additional thing that I have read but not verified ....

 

The wedges that come with the set produce slightly lower spin than a specialized wedge.  So even if the lofts are the same the specialized wedge might not fly quite as far.  

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... As a general rule, wedges that come with the set are more forgiving and produce a higher trajectory. Primarily the reason better players want a separate MB wedge as they flight their wedges lower. I tried using the gw that came with my Fly Z+ but it was harder to control the trajectory. Otoh if you mishit your wedges occasionally, especially on pitches, the lower sole weighting will help you more than a MB style wedge. It just depends on what you want from your wedge. 

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The PW in my set is 45*, I have never considered not using it from the set, I also carry 3 MD3 wedges in 50,54,58, all are bent 1 degree strong to give 4* gaps.

You have ask is the extra money for a different PW worth it, what will you gain/lose by not using the one from the set, I can hit my PW 135 yards, and it's one of the better clubs that I have in e bag, will I gain much by switching, I don't think I will, but I haven't had he need to try either. Most sets that are purchased or usually 4-PW or 5-PW, or 6-PW and you can add a GW to any of those, I've never seen a set that allows the purchase without the PW.

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... There are quite a few sets today that are sold as 4-gw/dw/aw which of course are the traditional 3-pw sets of the past, they just have a different letter/number on the sole. 

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... There are quite a few sets today that are sold as 4-gw/dw/aw which of course are the traditional 3-pw sets of the past, they just have a different letter/number on the sole.

Exactly, so if you want a different PW than the set, it costs you the set PW, $100+, then and additional $100+ for the one outside the set, so it needs to be a huge difference IMO to justify the extra cost. Manufacturers won't sell the set without the PW.

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Exactly, so if you want a different PW than the set, it costs you the set PW, $100+, then and additional $100+ for the one outside the set, so it needs to be a huge difference IMO to justify the extra cost. Manufacturers won't sell the set without the PW.

 

 

... While they are not on the shelf, most OEMs will sell you any combination of irons you want as long as they are in their current line up. Go to  https://www.tgw.com/golf-irons  and click on any iron. Then click the Enter Custom Specs above the iron and you can order irons one at a time or in any combination. Most stores don't wanna let you know this because they would rather sell stock on hand, but just about every OEM will sell any combination of clubs you want to order. 

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... While they are not on the shelf, most OEMs will sell you any combination of irons you want as long as they are in their current line up. Go to https://www.tgw.com/golf-ironsand click on any iron. Then click the Enter Custom Specs above the iron and you can order irons one at a time or any combination. Most stores don't wanna let you know this because they would rather sell stock on hand, but just about every OEM will sell any combination of clubs you want to order.

You're right, I forgot about that, I know Callaway allows you to pick the irons you want from their website, I was think of when it's listed as a set, I forgot that they they will let you pick individual irons as well.

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... Yup, they're in the business of making money and both the OEM and the golf store from would prefer you get a "standard set". I know some stores will even make you jump through hoops and will try and talk you out of it, but they can all order any amount of cubs you want. 

... When I visited the Tour Edge facility I was surprised to find out they make every single set of clubs or individual club as a custom order. If a retail store orders 4 stock sets of irons they are assembled as custom. It is an ingenious process where you have to get the grip, shaft and head by scanning every piece on the order with a hand held device. If it is the wrong piece, it will not allow you to enter it and they know they have the wrong grip/shaft/head. Almost impossible to make a mistake. It is the same whether you order one pw or a stock pw-4 iron. It means they never have excess stock on hand and literally every single club you buy is custom made. Again, nobody in retail is gonna tell customers this.

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I use the PW and GW from my set. I feel like it helps keep my distances more consistent and I really only use them for full shots. There's something about looking down at the same club head that gives me a little more confidence rather than having to hit a full 48 and 52.

 

 

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Personally I use both the pw and gw from my ping I e1 set. I love the way they look and feel, they work well and I have a lot of confidence standing over them. Plus I have their distances more dialled in.

I have used a 52,56,60 make up before of specialty wedges, but have come to prefer 54,58 just because the distances on full swings work better for me. It's a very personal thing and would be different for everyone I'd say.

I really like the fill 4-gw that is in my set and wouldn't change it. However that's with my irons and my ability! I'm guessing there are plenty of us out there that would prefer something far different!

 

 

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I use the set wedges that came with my Titleist AP1 716 irons and so far it's working well. I do game the Cleveland CBX 56 degree as my sand wedge. LOVE ❤️ it!

 

 

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... Yup, they're in the business of making money and both the OEM and the golf store from would prefer you get a "standard set". I know some stores will even make you jump through hoops and will try and talk you out of it, but they can all order any amount of cubs you want.

 

... When I visited the Tour Edge facility I was surprised to find out they make every single set of clubs or individual club as a custom order. If a retail store orders 4 stock sets of irons they are assembled as custom. It is an ingenious process where you have to get the grip, shaft and head by scanning every piece on the order with a hand held device. If it is the wrong piece, it will not allow you to enter it and they know they have the wrong grip/shaft/head. Almost impossible to make a mistake. It is the same whether you order one pw or a stock pw-4 iron. It means they never have excess stock on hand and literally every single club you buy is custom made. Again, nobody in retail is gonna tell customers this.

I love my TEE Woods. I may need to check out their iron lineup before my next purchase. I've seen a few of there irons, and a couple of them look pretty sharp.

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I believe it's low bounce. Good for soft ground and diggers.

 

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This is very personal. I'm my area most courses become rock hard by mid July. I have a steeper attack angle and tend to sweep. Given all this I clubs that low bounce works best for me. What you say about high bounce may be true for the majority, but I only bring up my situation to illustrate the various differences. Also I have the L grind on my Vokeys, which is also a bit more uncommon I've seen.

 

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I believe it's low bounce. Good for soft ground and diggers.

 

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This is very personal. In my area most courses become rock hard by mid July. I have a steeper attack angle and tend to sweep. Given all this I clubs that low bounce works best for me. What you say about high bounce may be true for the majority, but I only bring up my situation to illustrate the various differences. Also I have the L grind on my Vokeys, which is also a bit more uncommon I've seen.

 

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I believe it's low bounce. Good for soft ground and diggers.

 

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I think you have this is backwards you want a higher bounce to prevent digging. Sand wedges have higher bounce since they as designed to not dig into the sand.

 

My experience with set vs non set wedges is that the set wedge has a tendency to spin less and carry farther. Something I learned more about how clubs work and was able to assess past club performance.

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I think you have this is backwards you want a higher bounce to prevent digging. Sand wedges have higher bounce since they as designed to not dig into the sand.

 

My experience with set vs non set wedges is that the set wedge has a tendency to spin less and carry farther. Something I learned more about how clubs work and was able to assess past club performance.

Yes you're right. Thats what I get for not consulting google to confirm my answer!

 

Most set wedges are just like the irons but with a higher loft

 

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