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I thought about this thread yesterday as I played yesterday.

 

There is certainly always a tension between guys who consider themselves mechanical players and guys who consider themselves feel players.

 

Actually I have no doubt we are all a blend of both. You aren't hitting good shots without repeatable mechanics that deliver the club square to the ball nor are you able to actively think through all of the moves that need to happen in a golf swing.

 

Right now if I'm not rehearsing preshot and rotating hard through my swing I'm not hitting a good shot.

 

 

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Unlike most other sports, golf requires you to employ many type of shots right off the bat. Off the tee, long fairway shots, medium fairway shots, short approach shots, around the green shots, putting from on and off the greens, then for most, the dreaded sand shots. All of that in 3 different trajectory.

 

Technically speaking they are all required different swing thoughts. My approach is to have a trigger, a strong memory associated to a particular shot that I did in the pass, I treat my trigger like a “flintlock rifle” where the firing doesn't happen instantly. I trip the trigger during my preshot then I go blank and hold on to the target til the shot's fired. Just like flintlock weapons, precision is a relative term. :)

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I thought about this thread yesterday as I played yesterday.

 

There is certainly always a tension between guys who consider themselves mechanical players and guys who consider themselves feel players.

 

Actually I have no doubt we are all a blend of both. You aren't hitting good shots without repeatable mechanics that deliver the club square to the ball nor are you able to actively think through all of the moves that need to happen in a golf swing.

 

Right now if I'm not rehearsing preshot and rotating hard through my swing I'm not hitting a good shot.

 

 

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Just speaking for myself I think my mechanics are in grained into my thoughts and feeling. The main thing my pre shot routine does for me is getting my muscles prepared to get through the ball

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Personally, for me,  I find that golf should be an empty headed game.   When I start thinking, things ain't gonna be pretty.   People often discuss the importance of hand/eye coordination.  For me, its more of a matter of brain/body coordination.   If my brain sends too many signals to my body, my body gets totally confused, and most times, my body is just going to do what it wants to do any how, ignoring any instructions from the brain .  So most times, I find it best for my brain not to overload my body and just let it do what its going to do in hopes that the body is doing well that day.

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Unlike most other sports, golf requires you to employ many type of shots right off the bat. Off the tee, long fairway shots, medium fairway shots, short approach shots, around the green shots, putting from on and off the greens, then for most, the dreaded sand shots. All of that in 3 different trajectory.

 

Technically speaking they are all required different swing thoughts. My approach is to have a trigger, a strong memory associated to a particular shot that I did in the pass, I treat my trigger like a “flintlock rifle” where the firing doesn't happen instantly. I trip the trigger during my preshot then I go blank and hold on to the target til the shot's fired. Just like flintlock weapons, precision is a relative term. :)

Yes this is why I'm having trouble throttling back right now. My issue when I went for lessons last Spring was a lack of rotation - we had to make some other adjustments because of other issues that had crept in. Those have been made but I still have focus on rotating through the ball or I won't - that makes three quarter and half shots very difficult.

 

I am starting to control my trajectory better again through ball position.

 

I admire those who can hit shots with little or no thought what so ever. When I'm playing really well I think I'm able to do that. It's been a long time though. I'm hitting the ball very well right now. Nearly all of the drivers that I hit on Saturday flew the same and the ones that didn't were playable. Likewise with my hybrids, fairway wood. I still have a problem with 7 iron consistency and I hit a couple of thin short irons that cost a few strokes.

 

Overall though if I could play more I'm hitting it well enough to get down to a 1 or 2 from the tees that I typically play.

 

 

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I watched tape from my range session the other day and noticed my driver backswing was a little flat, so I'm trying to get my hands a little higher while maintaining a flat wrist. I've been looking at a bit of Rory swings and comparing my positions:

 

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Im sure your aware

roars shoulders steeper at too

 

 

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Im sure your aware

roars shoulders steeper at too

 

 

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Yeah I assume the only way to physically get my hands higher while maintaining a straight left arm is to raise my hands a bit, which will steepen my shoulders?

 

I've been playing with it on the range with pretty decent results

 

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Yeah I assume the only way to physically get my hands higher while maintaining a straight left arm is to raise my hands a bit, which will steepen my shoulders?

 

I've been playing with it on the range with pretty decent results

 

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I've got a couple thoughts just looking at the still photo. Feel free to totally disregard as some stranger's opinion on the internet!

Some of this is caused by camera angle but I see a couple of stark differences

Your foot line is well to the right where Rors is more parallel left. A closed stance can encourage the club to go too much behind you.

Also that's what it looks like to me. Not necessarily that your hands/arms are flat, but that they are way behind your head whereas Rory is above his right shoulder.

It also looks as if you are missing some needed width in the backswing. Again hard to tell for sure from camera angle but I'm guessing a face on view would show hands all the way behind you. If you look at Rory face on, when his hands are set at the top they are still well to the rear of his head. To put it another way, if you look at him face on and drew a vertical line from the right side of his head to the ground, his hands do not pass that line. So he is both high and wide. Conversely yours looks as if your hands would travel well beyond that line, leading to a sagging and somewhat collapsed position at the top. Again, camera angle is making it a bit hard to say but I would be striving more for the idea of wide than trying to keep the left arm straight at all

 

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I agree positive visuals are good for the swing. The point of the article cited above is what type of visual is best--internal or external. A positive internal thought will not help as much ( an may actually be detrimental) compared to a positive external thought.

I reserve "swing thoughts" for the pre-shot routine in an attempt to establish a feel that hopefully reflects my intended ball flight.

 

Once that feel is established and I cross the decision line, my _only_ thought is TARGET.

These are two great summaries.

 

We PLAY GOLF (external / on the target side of the decision line)

vs.

We PRACTICE GOLF SWING (internal / on the pre-shot side of the decision line)

 

It's just soooooo hard to cleanly and clearly separate the two......

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I've got a couple thoughts just looking at the still photo. Feel free to totally disregard as some stranger's opinion on the internet!

Some of this is caused by camera angle but I see a couple of stark differences

Your foot line is well to the right where Rors is more parallel left. A closed stance can encourage the club to go too much behind you.

Also that's what it looks like to me. Not necessarily that your hands/arms are flat, but that they are way behind your head whereas Rory is above his right shoulder.

It also looks as if you are missing some needed width in the backswing. Again hard to tell for sure from camera angle but I'm guessing a face on view would show hands all the way behind you. If you look at Rory face on, when his hands are set at the top they are still well to the rear of his head. To put it another way, if you look at him face on and drew a vertical line from the right side of his head to the ground, his hands do not pass that line. So he is both high and wide. Conversely yours looks as if your hands would travel well beyond that line, leading to a sagging and somewhat collapsed position at the top. Again, camera angle is making it a bit hard to say but I would be striving more for the idea of wide than trying to keep the left arm straight at all

 

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Yeah I'm trying to go straight back now vs. inside. It was helping a bit yesterday at the range. When I get the face square I like the results a lot, feels like where I was earlier in the year when I couldn't miss a fairway and was pushing 300.

 

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Personally, for me,  I find that golf should be an empty headed game.   When I start thinking, things ain't gonna be pretty.   People often discuss the importance of hand/eye coordination.  For me, its more of a matter of brain/body coordination.   If my brain sends too many signals to my body, my body gets totally confused, and most times, my body is just going to do what it wants to do any how, ignoring any instructions from the brain .  So most times, I find it best for my brain not to overload my body and just let it do what its going to do in hopes that the body is doing well that day.

Yep for me too much thinking can be dangerous when trying to actually hit the ball. Usually I think what club I want to use and what I want to attempt to do and get over it and hit and hope I am successful if not hope to find it and hit it again. Really simple for my simple mind

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Yep for me too much thinking can be dangerous when trying to actually hit the ball. Usually I think what club I want to use and what I want to attempt to do and get over it and hit and hope I am successful if not hope to find it and hit it again. Really simple for my simple mind

 

 

Same for me, once I envision my shot, pick a club and get set up, I go dumb, I just swing and don't think about anything. I'mm going to hit it again, good, bad, or ugly unless it's the final putt of the round.

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Timing/Rhythm thoughts:

 

Back and through with driver and hybrids.

 

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It's funny how your setup can cause all sorts of screwy inconsistent stuff to happen. My main swing thought today was feet position and I played some really solid golf. Simple but game changing good. 

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I don't know if it's even a correct piece of a good swing or not, but I always seem to go back to thinking about keeping a closed face on the backswing. I don't know why it works really, but when I do it, my ball striking is really crisp

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Gonna be thinking about/working on being way less flat for next season. Watched a video of my swing DTL and left arm was damn near horizontal

 

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That was my issue when I went to golf school in October.  My coach said it was a miracle that I could get the club back down to the ball.  He said I was perfect if I was trying to hit a fastball into the upper deck!!

 

I spend 2 days working on it; swing videos, and when I got home my ball striking was vastly improved.  I played the best golf ever the last month before GHIN shut down for the winter; went fro, 9.0 to 7.9 in 30 days.

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My biggest continual problem, bending my wrists. If I can get that under control I think I'll be able to add yards and accuracy to my shots. Hopefully then reducing strokes.

 

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