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[GolfSpy Stroker 9,893]

interesting that your launch angle with your gamer was lower than anything with the M4.  What do you attribute that to?  

 

Also looks like you got a couple mph extra ball speed.  Do you think that is due to the driver head or the newer shaft?

[Golfspy_CG2 22,721]

Great fitting JA and thanks for the write up with the charts.  Cool stuff

[JoshAndersonGolf 2,626]

interesting that your launch angle with your gamer was lower than anything with the M4. What do you attribute that to?

 

Also looks like you got a couple mph extra ball speed. Do you think that is due to the driver head or the newer shaft?

I really think it's all in the shaft and head combo. Nothing was really close to the M4 with the Accra shaft. I took about 120 swings. It was a very cool process to get to those numbers.

 

 

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[JTexGolfer 1,038]

Great info, and those are some really good numbers! How did the M4 sound and feel compared to the G400?

 

Glad your fitting went well!

[JoshAndersonGolf 2,626]

Great info, and those are some really good numbers! How did the M4 sound and feel compared to the G400?

 

Glad your fitting went well!

Considering I hit only 2 balls with the G400 I can't say. I know the M4 sounded muted from my Titleist but this is inside and it will be interesting to see if it sounds the same outside. The G400 was not for me. That said I'm sure if I was dead set on it that I could have gotten a shaft that worked with it. But as for sound I really did take notice on the G400.

 

 

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[GolfSpy Stroker 9,893]

Sounds like you tried

-Rogue

-M3

-M4

-G400

-F8+

 

Anything else?  I know you ended up with the M4 but was there a close second? 

Sounds like your gamer is/was a Titleist - did you try the new Titleist driver?

[JoshAndersonGolf 2,626]

Sounds like you tried

-Rogue

-M3

-M4

-G400

-F8+

 

Anything else? I know you ended up with the M4 but was there a close second?

Sounds like your gamer is/was a Titleist - did you try the new Titleist driver?

I tried the following:

 

My Driver Titleist 915 D2

Titleist 917 D2

Ping G400

Ping G400 max

Cobra F8+

M3

Vertical Groove Driver

Epic

Rouge

And the M4.

 

Honestly my driver with the Accra shaft was close. The Rouge gave good numbers but the miss left was worse. The Cobra F8+ gave some great ball speed numbers (169.3 was the highest but the F8+ averaged 165). Overall I'm very happy with the process and feel I got what I needed.

 

A note though if I do not see what I saw on the trackman I can take it back and they will replace it with what is needed.

 

 

 

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[Mr_Theoo 3,134]

How was the vertical groove driver?

[JoshAndersonGolf 2,626]

How was the vertical groove driver?

It might work for John Daly but it was not for me. I thought the look of it was very small and it just didn't do what the other drivers did.

 

 

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[cnosil 13,042]

How was the vertical groove driver?

I tested it as part of most wanted. It is an odd looking driver; the stripe on the top made it difficult to setup behind the ball and the appearance was kind of ugly. Performance of the club wasn't that bad for me. There were clubs that were better and clubs that were worse. Probably a middle of the pack club for me.

[Kegger 449]

The results in this thread have been great! It pushed me to finally book a fitting for my driver, which I seem to be losing distance on. I'm not using Club Champion, but I am going in for a fitting this weekend with a similar company. I hope I can post comparable gains to what has already been posted, albeit at a much lower swing speed! You won't see any 110 SS out of me!

[Kegger 449]

As an update to my previous post, I went through my fitting on Saturday. I'll try not to go into too much detail as it was not at Club Champion and I don't want to derail the thread... But I am very glad that I hit rock bottom with my driver at the same time that I discovered this thread, it really did push me to book the fitting..

 

I was very badly self-fitted for my driver (2016 Taylormade M2). I brought both the stock shaft (R Flex Fuji Pro 50) and the currently installed S Flex Kuro Kage Silver 60. Surprisingly, the stock Fuji Pro shaft measured at a stiffness of 6.4! That's right in the middle of S and X flex! How are TaylorMade's tolerances so loose?! My Kuro Kage measured in with a stiffness of 6.0 which is right where it should have been.

 

So anyways, after a warm-up, I got some baseline specs with my driver and the Kuro Kage shaft on Trackman. The numbers were very disappointing to say the least.. I mentioned I had hit rock bottom with the driver, and that translated to an average carry of 171.2 and a total distance of 187.5 with a paltry 1.27 Smash and 3800+ backspin (closer to my 4 iron specs than my driver should be!). 6 shafts and 4 heads later, I ended up with a pairing of my current driver head (2016 M2) with an Accra FX 260 shaft in a 5.5 flex. This combo upped my carry to 200.2 and total distance to 224.7, with a spin rate down at a more manageable 3000 and the smash climbing to 1.42 (Still gotta work on increasing that).

 

Overall, I am ecstatic with the results. Granted it was a very low baseline, but I increased my carry by 29 yards and my total distance by 37 yards. I know I still have a lot to work on (my SS has dropped over the last couple years, probably due to weight gain) and my Angle of Attack averages were very steep, averaging around -4 or -5 throughout the fitting, but it is getting me back on track where I know my distances should be. Hopefully my rounds will start becoming more enjoyable again with a lot less 200 yard approach shots!

 

And from now on, I am going to leave the fitting to the professionals...

[GolfSpy STUDque 11,689]

@Kegger that's really awesome to hear how well you benefitted from a proper fitting. Sounds like money well spent.

 

 

 

 

For those interested, the head of Club Champion was on the Plugged-In podcast. I'm about half way through but am really enjoying it. They're spending some time talking about the fitting process (and importance) and how they do what they do better than the rest. It's a bit of marketing mixed in with entertainment but definitely worth the listen.

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/plugged-in-golf-podcast/id1354024656?mt=2&i=1000404201745

 

 

 

Matt Saternus......Didn't he used to be an MGS guy?

 

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[Mr_Theoo 3,134]

For those who have already had their fitting what ball did you use? Theirs or your own?

[cnosil 13,042]

For those who have already had their fitting what ball did you use? Theirs or your own?

I used theirs; it was a prov1. I don't have a specific ball that I use and didn't think about using anything different. I actually didn't think about the ball until I did their survey and it asked if ball fitting was discussed

[Rickp 18,077]

I used theirs; it was a prov1. I don't have a specific ball that I use and didn't think about using anything different. I actually didn't think about the ball until I did their survey and it asked if ball fitting was discussed

I didn't give that a thought when I went for my irons last year. I used their balls and I don't recall what they were. Definitely something I need to have next time, if there is s next time!

 

 

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[Kegger 449]

For those who have already had their fitting what ball did you use? Theirs or your own?

I was asked what ball I played and was given those to hit. I play Chrome Soft though, so it's a pretty common ball now. I don't know how many brands/models they had in their tool box...

 

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[JoshAndersonGolf 2,626]

For those who have already had their fitting what ball did you use? Theirs or your own?

They had a few choices at the club champion in Indy. I used the Pro V1. Brand new balls. If you wanted to use something they didn't have I bet they would let you. They did put the silver stickers on the ball to help the trackman pick up the spin.

 

 

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[JoshAndersonGolf 2,626]

I also got my M4 yesterday. I'll try and get some photos up in the next few days. Hopefully warm enough next weekend to go out and see it fly in person.

 

 

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[Mr_Theoo 3,134]

I also got my M4 yesterday. I'll try and get some photos up in the next few days. Hopefully warm enough next weekend to go out and see it fly in person.

 

 

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Awesome! Looking at those in the store the other day I'm excited to hit it hopefully