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Several months ago RookieBlue7 both gave me a sick deal on it and was a pleasure to deal with. But I have been able to dig up _ZERO_ information on this head, so I'd be most grateful for anything you know. It's not listed on the USGA conforming list, which may fit with the "hot tamale" narrative. I think it looks fantastic at address, open maybe 1-2 degrees. Haven't measured displacement yet but I'd surmise it's around 430cc.

 

As you can see from the pics; there is a continuous V channel running around the crown and sole, all the way up through the hosel. That may indeed turn out to be the illegally delicious design feature. At this point, from the gamer perspective, I'm not sure what to do except ship it off to the USGA for testing and keep my fingers crossed. However, with the other option being an exotic buildout and sale to one of those unscrupulous types that "tees it up everywhere and uses the grease"; sending it off to the USGA means removing the plastic and subsequently some of the allure.

 

What would Stu do? (I think you should also start an entirely separate general Op-Ed thread with that title)

I would contact the USGA on it-- Maybe Rookie can give you better insight on it he is pretty sharp on that stuff. Me I would build and try it. 

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So only one yes in the irons, and a few yes on the woods. What about hybrids?

 

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As far as the irons- I have hit the CMB, CB3's, mb2, and a few others. They were all really good to outstanding in their categories.

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Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face)

Adams Super LS 17*

Adams XTD Ti 23*

Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW

Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7

Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter

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So only one yes in the irons, and a few yes on the woods. What about hybrids?

 

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Like Rev said, Adams is credited with originating the idea of the hybrid with the first Tight Lies. Now they seem to have a wide range of types of hybrids going from something like the Pro Mini to the Red to the Blue.

 

If you happen to be near a PGA Tour Super Store or similar, or a large range with a shop, there may be several mixed in in the Used Clubs section to try out.

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..Callaway Big Bertha 5H (Recoil ZT9 460/F3)
..PXG 0211 6i-GW (Mitsubishi MMT 60/A) 
..Cleveland CBX2 54 and CBX 60 (Rotex graphite)
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I went on the Adams golf site to do some exploring, I didn't know they were owned by TaylorMade?

 

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I just bought a lefty Adams Launch Lab driver off a guy from another site for $40. Deep face, my goodness. I'll take it to the launch monitor today along with the '16 TM M1 and Cobra F7+. Should be interesting to see the difference in 5 year old technology. 

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Hahaha holy smokes... Just got back from a session on a GC Quad...

 

Avg ball speed

'16 M1: 166

Cobra F7+: 167

Adams Custom Launch Lab: 165

 

Avg spin

M1: 2010

F7+: 1876

Adam's: 2287

 

Avg Carry

M1: 286

F7+: 294

Adams: 287

 

Longest drive

M1: 306

F7+: 323

Adams: 308

 

The M1 is out the door and the F7+ might need a different shaft (everything was left - I'm a lefty) but the Adams with a RIP Phenom 70x playing at 43.5" was a freaking stripe show. I registered side spin of 7 on one drive. 7rpm. 7. Adams was really on to something special and created some beasts. Go find them on the bay or another BST site. Go. Do it. I got mine for $40.

 

Amazing how Adams released the driver I tested in 2012.

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Hahaha holy smokes... Just got back from a session on a GC Quad...

 

Adams Custom Launch Lab with a RIP Phenom 70x playing at 43.5" was a freaking stripe show. I registered side spin of 7 on one drive. 7rpm. 7. Adams was really on to something special and created some beasts. Go find them on the bay or another BST site. Go. Do it. I got mine for $40.

 

Amazing how Adams released the driver I tested in 2012.

That's roughly one lateral revolution for every 40 yards of carry; sooo awesome!

 

This post made me really happy. And also convinced me to build my 3502 TS head as a personal gamer. Sure hope it passes USGA testing.

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Let us know what happens, DLK!

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WITB: 

Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face)

Adams Super LS 17*

Adams XTD Ti 23*

Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW

Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7

Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter

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Played tight lies for about 2 years. Switched last year to Bridgestone J-15 CB.....thought the tight lies were ok....but found extra yardage withe J-15's....still carry an older Adams Speedline 7 wood...something about  that club agrees with me.....

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3 Wood  :callaway-logo-1:            XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution

 5 Wood :callaway-logo-1:            XR R Flex Project X 5.5                                     

7Wood  :adams-small:    Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1                                                                                                           Irons      :bridgestone-small:   4 thru A Wedge  J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro                                                                                                             Wedges :cleveland-small:              56 CG 15                                                                                                                                                                           XE!                      65                                                                                                                                                                       Putter      :EVNROLL:         ER 5  Hatchback                                                                                                                                                Ball          :titelist-small:                 NXT Tour S                                                                                                                                      

 

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Any detailed thoughts on the CMB or XTD forged?

I keep reading how great they are but also how you must be able to consistently find the middle each time.

I'm wondering if they can make an average player better by not being so forgiving....if you know what I mean?

 

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Any detailed thoughts on the CMB or XTD forged?

I keep reading how great they are but also how you must be able to consistently find the middle each time.

I'm wondering if they can make an average player better by not being so forgiving....if you know what I mean?

 

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Dude: I loved my CMBs till some meth head broke in my shed & stole em. Had Matrix shafts. I'll just say I'd still game em if I had them

Edit to add: I think they played/forgiveness a lil better than my Wishons

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I may be wrong on this but I have always said TMag bought them for their Fairway wood and Hybrid technology. I do know Adams was having some financial problems at the time and Barney Adams was wanting to retire anyhow. I know for a fact that Super S 3 wood I am bagging is one pocket rocket and the 5 wood ain't bad either. I also have an older Adams GT 5 wood that is a pocket rocket too

They really bought them for the speed slot technology that you see in all of the woods and the last few years in the irons as well. Adams had it first and TM wanted to expand on it.

 

 

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I gamed the Adams A2OS irons way back then gave them to a teacher whose clubs were stolen, in exchange for a golfweek if instruction for my two grandsons.

 

Currently, I have recommended the Adams Blue series for beginners.

 

 

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Yes very interested

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Stroker- Adams forged irons were consistently some of the best out there, they just never got a lot of exposure. Go find a set or two and give them a ride!

 

Plus- the prices on used sets are pretty sweet now that Adams is gone.

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Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face)

Adams Super LS 17*

Adams XTD Ti 23*

Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW

Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7

Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter

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Let us know what happens, DLK!

 

Got word from the USGA this morning on the Speedline 3502 TS Proto.

 

Just as I suspected, when Adams initially submitted this head there was an issue with the V-channel design running through the hosel. My helpful USGA representative subsequently "recommended" that I not put it into Championship play for the reason stated above. At the urging of the USGA, Adams agreed to not produce any 3502 TS heads for play. As a result, this is one of a handful in existence. I am likely to build it out anyway, smack a few tour balls, realize it's the greatest driver ever and then probably pay this unicorn forward to one very lucky Spy. Because it's no longer a gamer season priority for me, feel free to reach out via PM if projects like these peak your interest and we can talk potential build, trade, buy, etc.

 

I suppose it's back to the driver drafting table for me.

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I'm looking forward to building out this Speedline 3502 TS prototype head made for Chad Campbell.

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Did I sell you that one?  I sold a few of these in the past 6 months or so

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Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

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