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When i started golfing again in 2008 i had a Cobra SZ440 that was my first medal driver. I gamed that driver for quite a long time. I took my clubs with me on a trip to vegas in 2011, and proceeded to snap the shaft in the driving range. I replaced that driver with a Adams Speedline 9064ls. I games that drive for a couple of years but it wasn't really doing it for me, so i went back to the sz440. that club was still what i was looking for. I finally replaced that sz440 permanently with the cobra bio cell+. Love that driver. I might be replacing it in the near future, but it will not be with something brand new. It will most likely be replaced with at least a year old model.

 

I'm not really someone that chases technology. Just need something that i am happy hitting.

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I've been thinking about throwing a second FW in the bag and have been looking at stuff, but yesterday I went into my basement, found my old Adams Ovation 3W and just set it down and it felt so right. Threw it back in the bag and that'll be the spot for it in 2018. Also, looking forward to the competition in early 2018 between my new Triton and my old Nike SQ, gonna be interesting.

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I've been thinking about throwing a second FW in the bag and have been looking at stuff, but yesterday I went into my basement, found my old Adams Ovation 3W and just set it down and it felt so right. Threw it back in the bag and that'll be the spot for it in 2018. Also, looking forward to the competition in early 2018 between my new Triton and my old Nike SQ, gonna be interesting.

Triton vs Nike SQ...that will be interesting.   

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Now I do slip back as most of you know from time to time. Last week I played a set of Pristine 80 Mac VIPs I had had for a year or so. They had 7.0 Brunswicks in them and I can not hit that rebar any more. I ended up putting a set of #2 Hogan Apex shafts in them. BTW for you rookies those are real HOGAN Apex Shafts from around 82 or 83. This week I am playing my Mac Muirfield blades 2 thru PW. S-300. Since both of those sets are traditional lofts ( 50* PW 45* 9 iron) I do not need a gap wedge. Also went back and used one of my old Wilson wedges which is a 1965 Staff triple duty 56*. But the 915 stays in the bag as does the Super S 3 wood and the old TM 19* Rescue and of course the rusty Scotty

But hey you can not pay me any attention the guys around my ex club swear I have a screw loose.

 

Hogan made such good irons back then - actually they still do- the Ft Worths are beautiful, and wonderful to hit, but I am not a consistent enough ballstriker to game them.  I absolutely loved the Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons.

 

 

 

I will have to look at the shafts I have in my old Hogans- see what they are- but boy were they sweet!

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Driver :callaway-small: Callaway Mavrik 105 set to 9.5, square, Aldila Rogue White 130 MSI 60G Stiff shaft
#3 Wood  :callaway-small: Callaway FT Tour 13 degree neutral setup, Fuijkara 370 Stiff Shaft
Hybrid  :cobra-small:  18 Degree King Cobra Baffler pro, Baffler Stiff shaft
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:benhogan-small: 53, 57 degree loft Hogan Equalizer wedges
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Triton vs Nike SQ...that will be interesting.   

 

I look forward to see how it plays. I haven't bought a driver in a decade because that SQ was/is the bomb. However, with it getting up there in age and Nike being out of business, I don't want to destroy it since it was so good to me. It deserves a quiet retirement, befitting its dignity and performance, not a Viking funeral. Hopefully Triton can do it and if not, I'm sure I can sell it to a friend and move on in the attempt to finally replace my old friend.

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:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 15*, Kuro Kage Silver TINI Dual Core 60-S 

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:ping-small: G710, 4-UW, Blue Dot, Nippon Modus 105-S

:honma: TW-W4, 56*, Nippon Modus 125

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I keep going back to Callaway Apex Pro irons from several years back, does that count?

 

 

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This is going way back... I have the TM r7 SuperQuad. I love it. You cannot miss a fairway with it. It is not my gamer anymore because it cracked, but I am definitely not throwing that thing away!

 

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Believe it or not there are a bunch of senior retirees over at a neighboring course and quite a few of them play  the R-7 and SQ along with Eye 2 irons. I get into low buck money games with them sometimes. All of those guys can play still. I know the retirees at my former course will not mess with them

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No forward for me..louisville golf persimmon blades 304..(with a little lead tape).titleist vokey raw wedge...titleist old standard bullseye putter and king cobra SS 350 driver..with matching 3 and 5 woods..sorry..not broke don't fix..but I do experiment with different brands of balls

 

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Blades with lead tape I will say you and I would get along just fine

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Driver ---- TM M-6 Evenflow 65 G R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel Ust Pro Force 65 R flex---  Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex #2 shafts-- SW Cleveland 588 56* S-400 Sensicore---- LW Cleveland 588 60* S-400 Sensicore--- Putter Rusty 1997 Scotty Cameron Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft- Bag My Old School Titleist Mini Staff

 

 

 

 

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We often ask our self, if we will be gaining anything about going from our current fairly recent driver to the newest latest models out there. But let's turn the tables on that, have you ever gone from a newer release club of any sort to an older model.

 

I know Rick Shiels has the new driver vs 5 year old driver video out that has been talked about a bit.

 

But this morning, during a conversation with MDGolfHacker I told him about my two midnight Ebay purchases with much enthusiasm. I was met with a cold bucket of water right in the face!! He was silent for a while then said, "Why would you go backwards in technology. You have the "latest" newest technology in in Titleist's 917 driver that is brand new. Why would you want a G30 that is what 4 years old," I told him, I think it's more like two years turns out it's--actually not quite 3.5 yet...so we'll split the difference--hey, it's my thread so I can make up the guidelines.

 

But back on track, we had a conversation about my 917 driver that is about 14 months old, and told him what I had seen and heard about the G30, and also the JPX850. You know what a rabbit hole Youtube is, you go on looking for one thing, and end up looking at half a dozen others. So I should feel fortunate, I only walked away with two. But after watching several reviews of both drivers, I came away very intrigued. And to be fair, I also had on course experience with a friends G30 last week that was pretty amazing, which started this whole, well let's look at this well, maybe the driver of two or three years ago is pretty good.

 

So what about anyone else, is there a cluub of any sort, driver, irons, wedges or putter that you have gone backwards on to an older model. If so, why and how did it work out?

well interesting thread- COR maxed out Id say roughly 8 yrs ago maybe even 10 0.083 or 0.086 cant remember anyway drivers from say 3/4/5 even 7 yrs ago on center face hits probably very little difference in total distance from say current model drivers. The biggest difference is on off center strikes our misses are a lot better lose less ball speed and still able to find tee ball even after a so so strike. - 4/5/6 yrs ago aaaa not so much - the only thing the driver manufacturer s can do is make a larger more for giving sweet spot thats is

 

 

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Hogan made such good irons back then - actually they still do- the Ft Worths are beautiful, and wonderful to hit, but I am not a consistent enough ballstriker to game them. I absolutely loved the Hogan Apex Edge Pro irons.

 

 

 

I will have to look at the shafts I have in my old Hogans- see what they are- but boy were they sweet!

never had or played a set but have picked up clubs in retailers when hogan was still selling that way and wow beautiful looking clubs

 

 

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I just went backwards from a Cobra F7 hybrid to a Ping G30 hybrid. A lot of it is shaft fitment I'm sure but I have been super happy with the change. Finally got my G400 bought but I was gaming an old R7 for a bit in the meantime and didn't feel "under clubbed". 

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I just went backwards from a Cobra F7 hybrid to a Ping G30 hybrid. A lot of it is shaft fitment I'm sure but I have been super happy with the change. Finally got my G400 bought but I was gaming an old R7 for a bit in the meantime and didn't feel "under clubbed".

Oh no! I just chose the F7 hybrid over the G. I hope I don't regret it.

 

 

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well interesting thread- COR maxed out Id say roughly 8 yrs ago maybe even 10 0.083 or 0.086 cant remember anyway drivers from say 3/4/5 even 7 yrs ago on center face hits probably very little difference in total distance from say current model drivers. The biggest difference is on off center strikes our misses are a lot better lose less ball speed and still able to find tee ball even after a so so strike. - 4/5/6 yrs ago aaaa not so much - the only thing the driver manufacturer s can do is make a larger more for giving sweet spot thats is

 

 

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This is absolutely right. You aren't buying new tech with the latest driver, just a new design. Get the shaft right for you and that is that. Until the limits on COR are raised the best anyone could do is improve quality control so every manufactured head returns the tightest and best smash factor. That doesn't really market well though. Variable weight differences move the center of gravity within a space the size of a postage stamp so I am skeptical this plays a major role.

 

But club ho's gonna ho.

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Driver:  :cobra-small:  F9 speedback, Accra iWood

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I have 4 sets of irons and this year, I have bounced around a bit, as my game was declining.

 

PowerBilt AFO

 

Mizuno JPX800

 

Cobra F6

 

Hogan Ptx

 

They cover max game improvement to game improvement to wannabe player.

 

I have to say I can play any of them but the “Feel” off the Hogan's is unmatched.

 

I also go back in drivers

 

PowerBilt AFO WMD

 

PowerBilt AFO DFX

 

Cobra King LTD

 

Wilson Triton

 

I hit them all but the Triton kicks ass!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hybrid: Cobra F8 3 Hybrid(19*) w/Recoil ES regular shaft 

Irons: Wilson D7 5-PW w/Recoil 460 Regular graphite shafts 

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Putter: 33" Evnroll ER2 w/Evnroll Gravity Grip 

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well interesting thread- COR maxed out Id say roughly 8 yrs ago maybe even 10 0.083 or 0.086 cant remember anyway drivers from say 3/4/5 even 7 yrs ago on center face hits probably very little difference in total distance from say current model drivers. The biggest difference is on off center strikes our misses are a lot better lose less ball speed and still able to find tee ball even after a so so strike. - 4/5/6 yrs ago aaaa not so much - the only thing the driver manufacturer s can do is make a larger more for giving sweet spot thats is

 

 

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That's about right. Manufacturers were designing clubs at .86 cor but the USGA set the limit to .83 and deemed the hotter faced drivers illegal. They were and still are a sought after commodity... Lol

 

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Awesome thread!

I do/have gone backwards over the years. One with my Fly Z+ driver. Which I've owned for a bit now, but had a King LTD but reverted back.

I've also been searching endlessly for the perfect deal on a Ping i25 driver (haven't found the right deal yet!)

Last and I don't exactly know how much wedges really change over the years, but I did somewhat recently purchase a set of cobra trusty rusty tour black wedges which are going into play for next season!

 

 

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Wood:    :cobra-small: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ weight back

               :ping-small: G410 Crossover - 2 and 4 iron

Irons:     :ping-small: i210 5-U w/ Nippon Modus 105 stiff (2018 Tester)

Wedge:  :ping-small: Glide 2.0 54* 58* w/ Nippon Modus 105 Stiff

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I don't see any issue with going back in releases at all, especially with irons and hybrids.  Irons and hybrids should be precision tools that you use to execute specific shots and hit specific yardages.  You shouldn't be chasing every last yard with these clubs.

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Awesome thread!

I do/have gone backwards over the years. One with my Fly Z+ driver. Which I've owned for a bit now, but had a King LTD but reverted back.

I've also been searching endlessly for the perfect deal on a Ping i25 driver (haven't found the right deal yet!)

Last and I don't exactly know how much wedges really change over the years, but I did somewhat recently purchase a set of cobra trusty rusty tour black wedges which are going into play for next season!

 

 

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Trusty Rusty's are the best. Enjoy them!

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Cart: :Clicgear: 3.5+

Driver:  :cobra-small:  F9 speedback, Accra iWood

Woods:  Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S
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