Shot Scope V2.0

[ddryan]

I have had some time to both play a few rounds, and look at my results on the Shotscope2.0.  Overall, I am very pleased with the product.  It is easy to use, captures the strokes you make, and the dashboard product (which records your rounds, shot by shot, along with an overlay on top of a GPS enabled map on your laptop computer) is a very good tool for reviewing your round. 

 

I recommended the product for a golfing buddy of mine, and, frankly, I was a little concerned after the first round, but as we both became more skilled with the product, and more used to how it operates, I have become even more of a fan, as has he.  It is not as intuitive as some devices (think Iphone) but certainly not as difficult as learning to drive ( a car or golf ball!!!)

 

Here are my more specific thoughts about the ShotScope 2.0

 

Great product that does exactly what it claims it does- captures and tracks your shots, records your rounds and provides individual round and annual assessments on your game, allowing you to identify and practice on your weak areas, to get value out of your practice.

 

The ShotScope support team are as close as an email, and while they strive to answer emails within 48 hours, I have almost always received a return email within 12 hours or less.  That does not mean the issue is resolved, but I know they are looking at the issue.

 

There have been a few hiccups on the way- first, at my home course, (clearly they mapped via commercially available GPS imagery) they made a minor mistake, erroneously marking the putting green as White 9 (we have three 9 hole courses - Red, White, and Blue), so GPS distance on White 9 is off.  I have identified this and the technician who will fix this problem emailed me and thanked me for identifying the issue and said it would be resolved.

 

 I mentioned the time (drawn from overhead satellites) which currently displays Greenwich Mean Time, vice the local time, which the technician assured will be resolved  in the next software update.

 

Similarly I mentioned the fact that currently the display only includes distance to front, middle and back of green.  This is great, especially considering it is variable based on where  you are approaching from, however I would like to have information on hazards (bunkers, water hazards, OB, etc, and distance to runout into the rough thru the fairway.  These,  I am told, are also planned for the next software update.

 

I have a difficult time remembering to tap the button to "capture the "Pin Collect" putt counting process, and often walk off the green before remembering.  Once again, this is not an issue, as you can review and  revise this once you download the round to your computer.  Editing this information on the Dashboard is, in fact, very intuitive and actually quite a bit of fun!  You not only get a chance to re-live the round, but make sure that what the Shotscope thinks you hit is correct (I have occasionally had a mis-reading or extra swing counted- only rarely is it a "Mulligan").  The device provides accurate feedback, and helps you realize what your club distances are.  Frankly, it is a bit humbling, although I believe that the more data into the system, the more accurate the readings will be. 

 

More than ever, this is a great tool and a great piece of equipment that every serious golfer should have!

 

Bump this thread for my additional comments

[puttingpirate]

Hmmm, wonder if they'll ever make it work with the apple watch instead of the chunky device.

[area5179]

Did anybody have any issues updating the firmware with their unit?  I purchased one and I've tried for 2 days to update the firmware but all I get is the loading message and it never seems to finish.  I shut down my PC and started again and it will connect to my PC and sync my courses but it will not finish the firmware update.  The first time I tried I let it sit for 21 hours and it still didn't finish apparently.  I tried again today and was able to sync my courses and it says the last update was today (4/16) but it will not get past the loading screen.   I've sent an email to Shot Scope to see if they have any ideas.

[downlowkey]

I took advantage of the V2 upgrade program. Went out for a test run on my home course last week; but after ~5 minutes of “Locating GPS Satellites” the wrist unit kept returning the message “No courses found within 1km”. I plan to open a service ticket today and will report back. Anyone else experiencing the same issue?

 

 

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[adg69]

I took advantage of the V2 upgrade program. Went out for a test run on my home course last week; but after ~5 minutes of “Locating GPS Satellites” the wrist unit kept returning the message “No courses found within 1km”. I plan to open a service ticket today and will report back. Anyone else experiencing the same issue?

 

 

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This has only happened to me when I didn't have the course I was playing downloaded and installed on my watch, are you sure you did this, for the course you were playing?

[shanep0131]

I just received one of these. I plan on getting out with it Friday. Looking forward to see how it works

 

 

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[Kanoito]

I took advantage of the V2 upgrade program. Went out for a test run on my home course last week; but after ~5 minutes of “Locating GPS Satellites” the wrist unit kept returning the message “No courses found within 1km”. I plan to open a service ticket today and will report back. Anyone else experiencing the same issue?

 

 

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Hey @downlowkey, I'm also thinking about upgrading to the V2.

 

Have you noticed improved GPS accuracy?

Do you still have to wear it on the left hand if you are right-handed?

[downlowkey]

Hey @downlowkey, I'm also thinking about upgrading to the V2.

 

Have you noticed improved GPS accuracy?

Do you still have to wear it on the left hand if you are right-handed?

 

I only have one round on the V2 so it's too early for me to comfortably compare GPS tolerances between the two iterations. But I'll update after getting in a few more loops.

 

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As a righty, I personally think wearing the unit on that wrist would be awkward. From the perspective of proper impact position, because the chassis is oriented outside your arm, I definitely prefer wearing it on the left wrist (flexion) vs right wrist (extension). If I ever felt the need to wear it on my right hand, spinning the chassis around to an inside wrist orientation is probably more comfortable and would additionally move the proximity hardware closer to the club tag. The upgraded band on the V2 is also much more comfortable.

[Kanoito]

I only have one round on the V2 so it's too early for me to comfortably compare GPS tolerances between the two iterations. But I'll update after getting in a few more loops.

 

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As a righty, I personally think wearing the unit on that wrist would be awkward. From the perspective of proper impact position, because the chassis is oriented outside your arm, I definitely prefer wearing it on the left wrist (flexion) vs right wrist (extension). If I ever felt the need to wear it on my right hand, spinning the chassis around to an inside wrist orientation is probably more comfortable and would additionally move the proximity hardware closer to the club tag. The upgraded band on the V2 is also much more comfortable.

 

Thanks for the info.

Yeah, I was wondering if they had increased the range on the V2.

The only reason I consider wearing the watch on the right hand is because of the glove on the left hand. Taking it off and back on after every putt... sometimes I find the watch is in the way of the glove.

[JTexGolfer]

I have a ton of rounds on my V2 as I was one of the pre-order guys that got it day one. It is very good accuracy wise on full shots but it hasn't been that good for me with the putter. I spend quite a bit of time editing putts at the conclusion of my round. I was starting to get frustrated with it but I will say that the newest dashboard update and better stats has me back in the fold.

[hatchet_44]

Received the V2 for Christmas and have about 20 rounds tracked with it. The accuracy has been almost identical to my laser, and I don't bother pulling the laser out anymore when playing with the V2. I'm not good enough to notice 1-2 yard differences in any case. 

 

It doesn't miss many shots, but nearly every round when I review shots it will randomly insert driver for my club selection on a par-3 when I used a 7 or 8 iron. 

 

There have also been issues losing contact with satellites in the middle of the round. Most of my rounds are in the front range in Colorado, and I think most of these issues are attributable to the mountains. I played in Seattle in March and had no issues. It's an easy fix when it happens, exit the round and then reenter, but it may be something to consider if you live near mountains. I played in a scramble yesterday and only used the GPS feature and didn't lose signal once, so this issue may have been addressed with the recent firmware update. 

 

The putting tracking seems accurate. It says I leave a lot of putts short, and I know that's accurate.There is a lot of value in the short game usage stats, especially when thinking about club selection and up and down percentages. 

 

Overall I've been happy with the device and it's interesting to look at the round after the fact. I think I need to do more work digging into the results to find areas to improve. 

[dhartmann34]

So how was it out on the course?

 

I just received one of these. I plan on getting out with it Friday. Looking forward to see how it works


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[dhartmann34]

Got 27 holes in with this over the weekend and I'm impressed. I can't say it enough. This thing truly takes over once you turn it on. Absolutely fantastic! :-)

[StrokerAce]

The "challenge" with this - or any other tracking device - seems to be putting.

 

First, they have no idea where the pin is on that particular day (why would they?) so it takes some sort of manual intervention to determine how long/short your putts are and how well you putt.  

Outside of the putting challenges I think that this is great.  I wonder how/if they can somehow automagically determine where the pin is once you get on the green?

What do you do now to establish?  I thought you hold the watch over the hole and press a button or something?

[dhartmann34]

I don't think there's any way they'd ever know where the pin is on every course. Much too much effort on both the courses and ShotScope's part.

 

But right now, all you do is hit a button right by the hole after you are done putting. You can hit one of the four corner buttons for 0, 1, 2, or 3. It's extremely simple and consumes literally no time at all. It automatically goes to the putting screen as soon as you step on the green. It's probably the simplest putting tracker that could ever be.

 

 

 

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[StrokerAce]

I don't think there's any way they'd ever know where the pin is on every course. Much too much effort on both the courses and ShotScope's part.

 

But right now, all you do is hit a button right by the hole after you are done putting. You can hit one of the four corner buttons for 0, 1, 2, or 3. It's extremely simple and consumes literally no time at all. It automatically goes to the putting screen as soon as you step on the green. It's probably the simplest putting tracker that could ever be.

 

 

 

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what do you do if your group tells you "that's good" when you putt it close from a long way and toss your ball to you?

Sorry guys... I need to go stand next to the hole for my tracker.

[dhartmann34]

what do you do if your group tells you "that's good" when you putt it close from a long way and toss your ball to you?

Sorry guys... I need to go stand next to the hole for my tracker.

Yeah pretty much. Or you just hit the 2 putt button and don't worry about that hole's stats. You you don't have to hit it right after you putt. So say you putt out and don't hit the button by the hole, and then 3 others putt out, you can still go back and hit the putt button next to the hole. Essentially, you only need to be 2 ft or closer to the hole because anything inside 2 ft is a 2 ft putt for statistical purposes.

 

I was grabbing the flag stick a lot. Gets you where you need to go

 

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[Dieselsdad]

Got 27 holes in with this over the weekend and I'm impressed. I can't say it enough. This thing truly takes over once you turn it on. Absolutely fantastic! :-)

Told you you'd like it

[dhartmann34]

Love this thing.... although it's not doing a great job of tracking my putts on the green. Seems to have me all over the place...and not really near where I am.

 

Also, today, it didn't have a bunch of the hazards listed on the course I played. Which isn't ideal. Still great at tracking shots though.

 

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[CrazyLegs87]

I purchased this last month and have logged about 15 rounds with it.  Felt it would help others to relay more details about the plus and minus that others here may not have mentioned.

 

Accuracy:  the original course settings were from the course four years ago.  I contacted customer service, and they did get it updated.  Unfortunately there are still a number of errors.  These include : at least one green completely mislocated, one fairway with the wrong measurements.  Also, the new hazard feature seems to have incorrect information on location about 40% of the time by 5-10 yards...  Unfortunately this has resulted in times where I hit a great shot and subsequently lose the ball into water (fyi, all comments are in relation to home course so know it well).

 

 

Shot tracking: this is shotscope's strength.  It really catches all shots very well.  Even on the green.  If arrchos fails on the putting, then shotscope has a major advantage here.  

 

Watch itself:  the size is bigger than you would think.  I agree with others that it does not become a distraction once you start golfing.  but due to the size it can be a bit annoying (for me) on hot days.  

 

Bugs: I continue to have a few issues with the software on the watch.  It does not seem to like some cords for charging.  Nothing worse than getting ready to go and not having a charge.  

 

Extra swings: One major concern I had was that sometimes I like to reputt, or take a mulligan for whatever reason.  Remember golf is supposed to be fun - and I found myself scared to do so as I don't want to have to go online and remove shots, etc very often.  After a lot of experimenting, I found that if you don't move from the original spot - it seems as though it does only register one shot.  Once figuring this out, I was able to relax and just go have fun.  So, concern alleviated.  (this is really relevant early in the year as I live up north)

 

Software Analysis:  so this is where I have the biggest concerns at this time.  If you study the previously shared charts - the data looks impressive.  And it is.  But I would contend that it is missing what you really want to see.

 

 

 

Data that would be better:

 

1) sortable by hole , not currently able to do this

2) approach shots without woods and hybrids / 3 iron.  Get shots from other clubs then would at least be somewhat close...

3) putting charts by hole.  put the hole into quadrants and show putts in relation to hole in that quadrants - long/short/left right pct.  

4) add legends.  data without legends currently so don't what we are looking at.

5) consistency of look  across data.   meaning it has no logical presentation.

6) trend analysis.  none currently available.  Am I getting more accurate over the last month? less?  Impossible to know with this at this time (okay, you can look at year vs last 5 days, but not see a trend)

Summary:

Shotscope is good, not great.  I have been on the fence about keeping it.  The biggest concerns are inaccurate gps data and lack of good data organization in software.  

If they added data by holes and trend analysis and course accuracy - this would be a solid product.  Unfortunately it sounds like (per their staff email to me) they just don't have the priorities of these items.  Hole information may be end of year/next year....