Golfspy_CG2 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 So I spent a good 45 minutes or so yesterday on a driving hole of our course, just hitting driver to get a feel for my new G30. But I came away with a question. On several what I feel were well struck shots, the tee flipped and landed 5 to 10 yards BEHIND me and by behind i mean directly behind my aim line so say if the tee was the middle of clock face it landed at 6 O'clock. Then on several again well struck shots, it landed as much as 12 yards in FRONT of me or 12 O'clock. There were a couple that landed out to the side (say 2 o'clock) So does anyone know what makes it land at 6 vs 12 O'clock? Is one over the other an indication of a better swing or angle of attack. I pretty much put the tee in the same length each time, with just about half the ball above the club-face at address. Rickp, JAGolfore, tommc23 and 1 other 4 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Nice thread! You're on fire lately. I use a plastic tee that generally stays stuck in the ground after I hit. If it flips out, it's because I hit too high on the face. Maybe the 6 vs 12 direction has more to do with how "sticky" the ground is where you placed it. I'd venture to guess that if you put the tee back in the same hole you used, it would flip forward because it's looser. But if it's in fresh ground, it might bend forward then flick backwards. Just a thought and totally shooting from the hip. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rickp and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Way too many variables to draw any conclusions. How about watching the ball flight instead? Just a thought. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy PlaidJacket, tommc23, Rickp and 4 others 7 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Lol I've said many times that I wanted to do an extended study on this Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Lol I've said many times that I wanted to do an extended study on this That would make an excellent slo-mo video. I'm not sure if the iPhone can capture that fast so it may require the big guns. Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy Golfspy_CG2 and Rickp 2 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Way too many variables to draw any conclusions. How about watching the ball flight instead? Just a thought. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Oh I did, they were all pretty similar a high fade way down the fairway...almost 215 yards It just became "a thing" as I went to look for the tee after each shot, and sometimes it was forward and sometimes backward. Lol I've said many times that I wanted to do an extended study on this I think you are just the man for the job!! It would be neat to see all the data, kinda combined with trackman data on each one. Maybe as Rev says, it's meaningless, but to me to be a 25 yard difference in two different directions seems there should be some logical reason. Rickp and tommc23 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 Nice thread! You're on fire lately. I use a plastic tee that generally stays stuck in the ground after I hit. If it flips out, it's because I hit too high on the face. Maybe the 6 vs 12 direction has more to do with how "sticky" the ground is where you placed it. I'd venture to guess that if you put the tee back in the same hole you used, it would flip forward because it's looser. But if it's in fresh ground, it might bend forward then flick backwards. Just a thought and totally shooting from the hip. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Hey Shooting from the hip is what half of all Internet Forum posts are....LOL It's as good as explanation as I could come up with. I did tee from the same area each time, but not the same hole. And I was using the plastic tees as well, I think 2 3/4 if I recall correctly. That would make an excellent slo-mo video. I'm not sure if the iPhone can capture that fast so it may require the big guns. Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy it wold be really cool to see. tommc23 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chemclub Posted December 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2017 Basically just Newton's Third Law of Motion. Ground pushes on the tee with the same force the driver imparts to it. Greatly depends on the tee interacting with the ground. Is the ground in front of the tee soft or firm? Let's assume the driver exerts the same amount of force on the tee with each swing. If firm relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground pushes back on the tee and sends it backwards If soft relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground gives way to the driver force on the tee and flies forward. There are many more complicating factors besides that (such as were on tee the driver might make impact) but that is the simplest explanation. My preferred tee flight is when the tee rebounds off the group and pops straight up. I always imagine holding my follow through and lazily extending my hand to catch the tee on the way back down. Tee goes back into the pocket and then pimp walk off the front of the tee box. Kenny B, revkev, MattF and 8 others 11 Quote Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Ya know when I'm driving it well the tee flies straight back & with distance. Ive nailed a few playing partners good Rickp, Golfspy_CG2, MGoBlue100 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hckymeyer Posted December 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2017 Best/craziest tee flip I've ever seen... This year my buddy nails his drive and the tee flips up and goes in his pants pocket. It was even the correct pocket he normally keeps it in. It was the coolest craziest thing I've seen a tee do. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it. downlowkey, chemclub, GolfJunkie302 and 8 others 11 Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddryan Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Basically just Newton's Third Law of Motion. Ground pushes on the tee with the same force the driver imparts to it. Greatly depends on the tee interacting with the ground. Is the ground in front of the tee soft or firm? Let's assume the driver exerts the same amount of force on the tee with each swing. If firm relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground pushes back on the tee and sends it backwards If soft relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground gives way to the driver force on the tee and flies forward. There are many more complicating factors besides that (such as were on tee the driver might make impact) but that is the simplest explanation. My preferred tee flight is when the tee rebounds off the group and pops straight up. I always imagine holding my follow through and lazily extending my hand to catch the tee on the way back down. Tee goes back into the pocket and then pimp walk off the front of the tee box. OK, although I recognize that golf is a sport that deals in delivering energy to a mass; acceleration and the laws of gravity- I don't think I have every heard anyone talk about Newton or Einstein - didn't know golf was so scientific!!! MGoBlue100, Golfspy_CG2, TheWahoo and 2 others 5 Quote What's in the bag? Driver Callaway Mavrik 105 set to 9.5, square, Aldila Rogue White 130 MSI 60G Stiff shaft #3 Wood Callaway FT Tour 13 degree neutral setup, Fuijkara 370 Stiff Shaft Hybrid 18 Degree King Cobra Baffler pro, Baffler Stiff shaft 4-PW Titlest 714 AP2, Standard loft and lie, MGS S Shafts 53, 57 degree loft Hogan Equalizer wedges 1962 Wilson "Sandy Andy" sand wedge with HUGE bounce! Putter MLA Pro Classic Titlist ProV 1, ProV 1x Currently Gaming "Costco Kirkland Signature Tour Performance" balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 OK, although I recognize that golf is a sport that deals in delivering energy to a mass; acceleration and the laws of gravity- I don't think I have every heard anyone talk about Newton or Einstein - didn't know golf was so scientific!!! Maybe it would make for a good Mythbusters episode. Not exactly sure what Myth it would be busting, but they do some pretty cool stuff on that. tommc23 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I've honestly been wondering this since I started watching golf consistently. The pros seem to have the tee go to the 6 o'clock position more often than not. Chemclub's post makes a lot of sense that many factors would affect where the tee flips to. Imo if the driver face makes contact higher on the tee it would flex/dig into the ground more so when it pushes back it would fly backwards, whereas lower on the tee would push it forward. WE MUST TEST THIS!! USE ALL THE MONIES!! Sent from my E6853 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rickp, Golfspy_CG2, STUDque and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 OK, although I recognize that golf is a sport that deals in delivering energy to a mass; acceleration and the laws of gravity- I don't think I have every heard anyone talk about Newton or Einstein - didn't know golf was so scientific!!! Yes, in my case Newton's law applies--every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The action of my rather bad swing has the equal and opposite reaction of a rather bad shot. To coin the phrase- I find that I am standing too close to the ball after I hit it. STUDque, Canucklehead and Golfspy_CG2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 OK, although I recognize that golf is a sport that deals in delivering energy to a mass; acceleration and the laws of gravity- I don't think I have every heard anyone talk about Newton or Einstein - didn't know golf was so scientific!!! "Albert Einstein gave me this. Nice man, nice man. Made a fortune in physics." Most of my tees go backwards, but if there is a nice breeze I look for my tee downwind. Rickp and MGoBlue100 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I've never really thought about it. I'm just happy when I find my tee. Curious to see where this goes. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Golfspy_CG2, tony@CIC, chemclub and 1 other 4 Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemclub Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I've never really thought about it. I'm just happy when I find my tee. That's the truth. I never like to break a tee. Rickp 1 Quote Bag: Bennington Quiet Organizer 9-Lite (link) Cart: 3.5+ Driver: F9 speedback, Accra iWood Woods: Sonartec GS Tour 14*, Fujikura Six S DI: T-MB 2 iron, KBS Tour-V 120 X, Irons: PP-9003SN 4-GW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Wedges: 1957 K-grind SW, LW, Nippon 1150GH Stiff Putter: EXO Indianapolis (link) Ball: MTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I find this interesting that someone has this thought. I don't normally give any mind to where my tee goes-lands. But just this past Friday I had the hardest time finding my tee after many shots. There was no set pattern. Using Carolina's clock face analogy my tees were landing all around the dial. I was trying to keep hold of a lucky tee for further use and several times one of my playing partners would find it completely out of range from where I was looking. Seemed odd to me. Oh well. Interesting post Carolina. Rickp, Golfspy_CG2, Canucklehead and 1 other 4 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 I find this interesting that someone has this thought. I don't normally give any mind to where my tee goes-lands. But just this past Friday I had the hardest time finding my tee after many shots. There was no set pattern. Using Carolina's clock face analogy my tees were landing all around the dial. I was trying to keep hold of a lucky tee for further use and several times one of my playing partners would find it completely out of range from where I was looking. Seemed odd to me. Oh well. Interesting post Carolina. Yeah Plaid, It's not something I ever gave any thought of until, I was hitting 6 tee shots within a span of 5 minutes of so and had to "find" the tee after each one. The one that was particuarly puzzling was going from 10 yards in front to 12 yards or so behind on back to back swings,that produced pretty much the same ball flight. Oh well, the things us northern based golfers have to think about during the cold winter days.. Canucklehead, Rickp and tommc23 3 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 So I hit ten drives on the range today - they were all good - very good - I used the same wooden tee every time and tee'd it up in approximately the same spot. Our ground is beginning to dry out but still wet for summer up North - think late Spring conditions. The tee ended up all over the place although seemingly most frequently about 6 feet away towards 2 o'clock or 7 o'clock. I would add that I didn't always aim at the same target and after the first three hit an iron, hybrid or fairway wood in between. I was playing a simulated nine. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Golfspy_CG2 and Rickp 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 So I spent a good 45 minutes or so yesterday on a driving hole of our course, just hitting driver to get a feel for my new G30. But I came away with a question. On several what I feel were well struck shots, the tee flipped and landed 5 to 10 yards BEHIND me and by behind i mean directly behind my aim line so say if the tee was the middle of clock face it landed at 6 O'clock. Then on several again well struck shots, it landed as much as 12 yards in FRONT of me or 12 O'clock. There were a couple that landed out to the side (say 2 o'clock) So does anyone know what makes it land at 6 vs 12 O'clock? Is one over the other an indication of a better swing or angle of attack. I pretty much put the tee in the same length each time, with just about half the ball above the club-face at address. Yes, the difference is 6 o'clock, 😂🤣. MDGolfHacker tommc23 1 Quote TSssWhat's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don2 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Basically just Newton's Third Law of Motion. Ground pushes on the tee with the same force the driver imparts to it. Greatly depends on the tee interacting with the ground. Is the ground in front of the tee soft or firm? Let's assume the driver exerts the same amount of force on the tee with each swing. If firm relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground pushes back on the tee and sends it backwards If soft relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground gives way to the driver force on the tee and flies forward. There are many more complicating factors besides that (such as were on tee the driver might make impact) but that is the simplest explanation. My preferred tee flight is when the tee rebounds off the group and pops straight up. I always imagine holding my follow through and lazily extending my hand to catch the tee on the way back down. Tee goes back into the pocket and then pimp walk off the front of the tee box. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rickp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peaksy68 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Mine usually end up at 6 o'clock, about 8 foot behind. My mate I play with most weeks is usually 10 yards straight forward. He should enter the "long tee championships" sometimes he gets it out about 20 yards. Our solid drives go about the same distance (the ball!) and obviously the conditions are the same. Golfspy_CG2 and tommc23 2 Quote 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 6.0 F8 3 & 5 Woods Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 TS2 7 Wood Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 MP18 MMC - Project X LZ 5.5 Zipcore Wedges 50,54,58 - Project X LZ 5.5 MLA Tour Mallet 33" Z Star Pioneer bag buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 First I'm not an expert, but I hear if it flips straight ahead or behind you, it's a good thing. Second, I like it when my tee lands perfectly upside down. Has happened twice. Sent from my SM-G920V using MyGolfSpy mobile app Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eseay32 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Basically just Newton's Third Law of Motion. Ground pushes on the tee with the same force the driver imparts to it. Greatly depends on the tee interacting with the ground. Is the ground in front of the tee soft or firm? Let's assume the driver exerts the same amount of force on the tee with each swing. If firm relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground pushes back on the tee and sends it backwards If soft relative to driver force on the tee, then the ground gives way to the driver force on the tee and flies forward. There are many more complicating factors besides that (such as were on tee the driver might make impact) but that is the simplest explanation. My preferred tee flight is when the tee rebounds off the group and pops straight up. I always imagine holding my follow through and lazily extending my hand to catch the tee on the way back down. Tee goes back into the pocket and then pimp walk off the front of the tee box. Duh! Everyone knows it's all about Newton's 3rd Law of Motion! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Golfspy_CG2 and Rickp 2 Quote <p>Knoxville, TN 8 Hdcp PXG 0811 10.59deg loft Ping G25 3 wood Titleist 2i rescue Ping I irons +1 upright Vokey Sm5 52, 56, OdysseyRed 2Ball Fang with 1.0 super stroke</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Duh! Everyone knows it's all about Newton's 3rd Law of Motion! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy serif]"When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body" Now if I could only figure out why I break so many tees on the range Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Heck, I can remember when I first started playing, I was just glad that the ball was no longer sitting on the tee after my swing. Kenny B, cksurfdude, tony@CIC and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Several years ago I played with a friend of mine on a par 3 hole. He teed up his ball and took a mighty swing with his 9i. Big divot! The sod went forward about 10 feet and the tee was still stuck in it. The ball was in the divot. We couldn't stop laughing!! Rickp, TheWahoo, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Heck, I can remember when I first started playing, I was just glad that the ball was no longer sitting on the tee after my swing.OK, once again literally LOL'ing at your wit and wisdom! (And, oh yeah .. same after-swing reaction here!) tommc23 and TheWahoo 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grip on both) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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