Kor.A.Door Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 This is probably the 3rd thread I have started about putting. I don't feel like I putt poorly considering I don't 3 putt very often, but I really don't make many putts either. Lately I have been really struggling with coming up short, on everything. Yesterday I had 7 birdie putts, and 4 par putts that came up short. All of them were tracking on the correct line, but every one camenup short, some were 3 feet short, and some were 2 rolls short, this has been a problem for the last 6 weeks or so, and no matter what I tell myself, or whatever drill I try I cannot seem to roll the ball all the way to the hole. It hasn't mattered whether the greens are slow, medium, or fast speed I am short on all of them. Am I alone with this issue, has anyone else or does anyone else have this problem. How do I go about correcting the problem. I feel like I am stroking the ball at the correct speed, but nope it's short again. Please don't say go get fitted, it's not the putter, I believe it to be a mental issue. Does anyone have experience with this issue and can you help. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just my opinion as I've suffered from the same issue. It's being scared of the comebacker. Sorry I don't have an easy fix for you either. But I agree it's a mental thing and it stems from not wanting a knee knocker for a 2nd putt. You have to keep reminding yourself not to be scared of hitting it by. After all, if you watch the putt roll past you already know exactly how it will break. One drill you can do to help with speed control is not putt to a hole. Lay down a piece of string on the putting green and try to hit it as close to the string as possible without being short. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Another speed drill is a ladder drill. Hit your first put to a target, any target. Then each succeeding putt must go past the previous one. See how many you can hit before you get to a specific landmark, maybe the edge of the putting green. If you leave one short of the preceding putt, start over. Its important to remember that even the best players make very few from outside 10 or 12 feet. From 20 feet, the pros average about about 14%, or about 1 make for 7 attempts. Your goal is to 2-putt, and it sounds like you do that pretty well. Leaving a putt just a little short from this range isn't really all that bad. Just my opinion as I've suffered from the same issue. It's being scared of the comebacker. Sorry I don't have an easy fix for you either. But I agree it's a mental thing and it stems from not wanting a knee knocker for a 2nd putt. I agree with this. So another thing to do is to practice the short ones, to decrease the "fear", or to increase your confidence. If you know you'll make the next one from 4 feet, its easier to plan to hit the first one 2 feet past. Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 I never thought about a ladder drill. That makes sense for helping to make sure you get the ball past the hole. 2 putting is what my goal is, and I succeed 99% of the time. So I have very few 3 putts. It's just really disappointing when I make a really good shot only to miss the putt. I don't consider myself a bad putter, I just can't get anything to fall. It's a proven fact that putts that are left short don't go in 70% of the time. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Make a bigger swing with the putter? There really isn't a secret to hitting a putt farther; just have to make the right length stroke for the distance. Does this happen at a particular distance or do you leave all putts short? Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I don't consider myself a bad putter, I just can't get anything to fall. It's a proven fact that putts that are left short don't go in 70% of the time. But even for the average on the PGA tour, when you hit a putt 5 feet past, you miss the next one 1 out of 4 times. 2 feet short is a whole lot better. Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Make a bigger swing with the putter? There really isn't a secret to hitting a putt farther; just have to make the right length stroke for the distance. Does this happen at a particular distance or do you leave all putts short? Lately it's been pretty much everything. I dont expect to make eveything, I would like to make a few of them, most of the ones I missed on Saturday we're from the 10-15 foot range. Either for par or for birdie. I think I'm going to have to start knocking them 3-4 feet past in order to get through the mental block. It seems no matter how often I tell myself, hit it harder and get it past the hole, for what ever reason I just don't. It really is frustrating. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Lately it's been pretty much everything. I dont expect to make eveything, I would like to make a few of them, most of the ones I missed on Saturday we're from the 10-15 foot range. Either for par or for birdie. I think I'm going to have to start knocking them 3-4 feet past in order to get through the mental block. It seems no matter how often I tell myself, hit it harder and get it past the hole, for what ever reason I just don't. It really is frustrating. Shouldn't be missing short from that distance. Try to make sure you are finishing your stroke and make the putt with some authority and not dying the ball in the hole. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I tried the pendulum motion; rocking the shoulders, longer backswing and followthrough for longer putts. It wasn't for me. The longer my backswing, the more offline I get. I don't hit the ball square in the center. I just can't control the stroke. I also had moments of indecision which led to deceleration, especially after I just blew one by the hole on my last putt. Like I have said; I was a lousy putter. Three years ago I changed my putting stroke. My backswing is much shorter which allows me to keep the putter head inline with my intended path better. I gauge the speed of the putt and then impart the correct amount of acceleration, trying to keep the putter head inline with the path as long as possible. It took a lot of practice, but I have better control of both speed and line. I found this to be critical for me since I look at the hole, not the ball when I putt. A long backswing, not looking at the ball, is a disaster for me. I have one issue that I have to continually practice in order for me to make a good accelerating stroke. I use the normal trail hand low grip, and I must maintain hands ahead of the ball and a cupped trail wrist. If I lose the cupped trail wrist, I lose speed control. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I tried the pendulum motion; rocking the shoulders, longer backswing and followthrough for longer putts. It wasn't for me. The longer my backswing, the more offline I get. I don't hit the ball square in the center. I just can't control the stroke. I also had moments of indecision which led to deceleration, especially after I just blew one by the hole on my last putt. Like I have said; I was a lousy putter. Three years ago I changed my putting stroke. My backswing is much shorter which allows me to keep the putter head inline with my intended path better. I gauge the speed of the putt and then impart the correct amount of acceleration, trying to keep the putter head inline with the path as long as possible. It took a lot of practice, but I have better control of both speed and line. I found this to be critical for me since I look at the hole, not the ball when I putt. A long backswing, not looking at the ball, is a disaster for me. I have one issue that I have to continually practice in order for me to make a good accelerating stroke. I use the normal trail hand low grip, and I must maintain hands ahead of the ball and a cupped trail wrist. If I lose the cupped trail wrist, I lose speed control. Just to clarify I didn't say that you needed to use the rock the shoulders approach. I am left side dominant in my stroke. You sound like you are better at controlling face angle and use different speed/tempo with a single stroke length for different length putts. The cupped wrist and always having the same stroke length is how you get the face angle correct at impact. But your point about acceleration is still important. You need to make sure you complete the stoke to get the ball to roll the right distance consistently. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooremikea Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 One of the things that I have been working on is hitting my puts solid. It might sound easy but this last year my percentage of puts hit solid was around 50%. Pathetic right??? Haha If the strike is not consistent then getting a feel for distance is almost impossible. On a day were things are coming up short your putter head speed might be perfect but a miss hit takes a couple feet off every put. Another benefit that I have noticed on a solid strike is the ball just rolls better. It looks like the ball is stuck to the ground rolling end over end instead of bouncing half way to the hole. This is the one thing that I am focused on over the winter. Hopefully it will pay off int he spring. Driver - Ping G410 Plus 10.5 - Ping Tour 65 Stiff 4 Wood - Callaway Rogue - Project X Evenflow blue 6.0 Hybrids - Titleist 818 H2 - 3(c-1) and 4(c-4) - Tensei CK Blue 70 stiff Irons - Callaway Apex CF 16 5-AW - True Temper XP 95 Steel Stiff Wedges - Ping Glide 54 SS, 58 TS Putter - Edel e1 Torque balanced Indianapolis 5.5 Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just to clarify I didn't say that you needed to use the rock the shoulders approach. I am left side dominant in my stroke. You sound like you are better at controlling face angle and use different speed/tempo with a single stroke length for different length putts. The cupped wrist and always having the same stroke length is how you get the face angle correct at impact. But your point about acceleration is still important. You need to make sure you complete the stoke to get the ball to roll the right distance consistently. You are right. I need to ensure that the face angle is correct and repeatable, since not looking at the ball, I have to trust it. It's also why I need to continually practice putting drills to keep it that way. It works for me. Yes, I always complete the stroke, and I have also found that the putts roll better when I keep the putter head low on the followthrough. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson153 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 A “quick†fix for me when I get in a funk of leaving putts short is to lean the shaft forward delofting the putter. Most of the time it works until I start running them by 5-6 foot. Then I go back to my regular stroke. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy CobraConnectChallenge3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Deceleration is big issue for me I think. I want to say there are a lot of things I do correctly, but there are some small details that I struggle with. Deceleration, continuing the stroke through the ball, sometime I find myself having a sort of pop stroke,(Snedeker),but I am not intending to do that so there is no acceleration to the ball with it. Very simple small things thoughout the putting stroke, but very necessary in being able to get the ball all the way to the cup Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 With a 'strong arc' putter swing I found my most accurate putts are with a short backswing. Now that winter is here my putting green is set up in the basement. The Ping putting app has been very helpful in understanding my putting stroke - but as they say the best teacher is the golf ball Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfJunkie302 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 If I started a thread every time my putting starts to deteriorate again, I'd be well past the 5,000 mark by now. Try keeping the clubhead low to the ground on your follow through. Also, make sure your not decelerating. That one can sneak into your stroke sometimes! Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk 2017 M1 460, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 JPX EZ 3 wood Fly-Z 4H MP-60, 3i-PW, True Temper Dynamic Gold S5 54° & 58°, True Temper Dynamic Gold California Monterey Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfinnut Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Practice putting at various length putts on the putting green but put 3 tees in the ground behind the hole .... about 12" from the hole. Try to putt to the tees instead of the hole. Just imagine the hole isn't there & the hole just gets in the way. That way you are putting to the tees, a specific target which are behind the hole .... if you miss, fine ... you are still within tap in range. But you got it to the hole. Then imagine those tees are there during your play on the course. The key is to get the correct pace. If you are getting the line right, then it's not your green reading ability. Putting is all about confidence. WITB: Do I like Titleist or what? Driver: TSR3 9* UST Mamiya Proto LIN-Q Blue Fairways: TSi2 UST Mamiya LIN-Q Blue 13.5* Driving Iron: U500 17* Blue Ventus HB Velocore Irons: T350 4 & 5, T200 6 - PW UST Mamiya Recoil Dart F4 105g Wedges: SM6 48*, SM9 52*, SM8 56* Modus Tour Wedge Putter: Newport 2 w/ Garsen Ultimate grip Ball: *ProV1 Left Dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLBMW Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I've found it best works for me to practice dominant handed only (lefty playing righty). To practice, I setup on a straight putt and place 4 balls in increments (2ft, 4ft, 8ft, 10ft) using left hand only. Usually stop when I get a good streak. Then I putt from distances I expect to be from on the course, but if I miss, I use Harvey pennick method moving ball 1 club length further. I've tried numerous putters (B60, 2-ball tank, anser 2, pal) and different grip sizes (all SS versions, pingman, tour traditional). Even tried claw and pencil grip. Finally, found what works; ping craz-e( g2i/sigma)pp62 grip, utilizing double overlap. Also keep head down, on the spot where ball was and only turn head, resist moving head vertical; started making putts. If I miss 1st putt, I have a high percentage 2 putt from short distance. Best of luck, hope this helps Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2021 Driver: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 9* w/ C.Kua Stiff FW: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 15* w/ C.Kua Stiff HY: Cleveland Launcher Halo 19* w/ C.Kua Stiff Irons: Titleist 716 AP1 4-PW w/ KBS 90 Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM8 50*, 54*, & 60^ Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Laguna 2 OR OG Futura Ball: ProV1/V1x OR Chrome Soft TT Bag: Sun Mountain 2019 4.5 14way carry Clothes: Nike OR Under Armour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I've found it best works for me to practice dominant handed only (lefty playing righty). To practice, I setup on a straight putt and place 4 balls in increments (2ft, 4ft, 8ft, 10ft) using left hand only. Usually stop when I get a good streak. Then I putt from distances I expect to be from on the course, but if I miss, I use Harvey pennick method moving ball 1 club length further. I've tried numerous putters (B60, 2-ball tank, anser 2, pal) and different grip sizes (all SS versions, pingman, tour traditional). Even tried claw and pencil grip. Finally, found what works; ping craz-e( g2i/sigma)pp62 grip, utilizing double overlap. Also keep head down, on the spot where ball was and only turn head, resist moving head vertical; started making putts. If I miss 1st putt, I have a high percentage 2 putt from short distance. Best of luck, hope this helps Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I'm using a similar approach on my indoor putting practice. I'm a lefty (and playing lefty). and using my right hand as the dominant. Left hand is on the club but very light touch - so right hand is doing all the work. Pretty successful so far but wish I had a longer putting mat as mine is only 9' long. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLBMW Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm using a similar approach on my indoor putting practice. I'm a lefty (and playing lefty). and using my right hand as the dominant. Left hand is on the club but very light touch - so right hand is doing all the work. Pretty successful so far but wish I had a longer putting mat as mine is only 9' long. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Good to hear. My mat is only 12ft, but stuck using it until weather clears and fertilizer dissipates. Excellent vibes for season though. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2021 Driver: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 9* w/ C.Kua Stiff FW: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 15* w/ C.Kua Stiff HY: Cleveland Launcher Halo 19* w/ C.Kua Stiff Irons: Titleist 716 AP1 4-PW w/ KBS 90 Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM8 50*, 54*, & 60^ Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Laguna 2 OR OG Futura Ball: ProV1/V1x OR Chrome Soft TT Bag: Sun Mountain 2019 4.5 14way carry Clothes: Nike OR Under Armour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 When I feel my speed is off a few things I try to get better FEELS. Ladder drill explained earlier but I end up placing a single ball at 10, 13, 15, 18, 20' - whatever variation of 2-3 ft increments, putt at a tee making sure each ball goes at least past the tee but no further than 2' past. Another that I just started doing over the summer is drop 3 balls at roughly 20' away from a tee. Take my setup to the hole, close my eyes, and then make a stroke. After the stroke I try to make a decision by FEEL whether the putt was short or long or pretty close. Next ball do the same. I feel this helps in really understanding the feel of the ball off the putter with stroke and where you hit it on the face of the putter. Good luck and remember 90% of putting is knowing your are a good putter. Epic Flash SZ 9o w/ Ventus 6X Rogue 4wd w/ ATMOS Red 7X CBX 20o w/ ATMOS Blue 7S tipped 1" JPX 900 Tour 4i - PW (standard lofts) Rifle SM6 51o, 59o, SM7 55o 2019 ProV1x Custom Ming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 When I feel my speed is off a few things I try to get better FEELS. Ladder drill explained earlier but I end up placing a single ball at 10, 13, 15, 18, 20' - whatever variation of 2-3 ft increments, putt at a tee making sure each ball goes at least past the tee but no further than 2' past. Another that I just started doing over the summer is drop 3 balls at roughly 20' away from a tee. Take my setup to the hole, close my eyes, and then make a stroke. After the stroke I try to make a decision by FEEL whether the putt was short or long or pretty close. Next ball do the same. I feel this helps in really understanding the feel of the ball off the putter with stroke and where you hit it on the face of the putter. Good luck and remember 90% of putting is knowing your are a good putter. ^Take note Spies; I can attest this manner of practice significantly improves feel The only additional advice I can offer addresses my personal tendencies so take with a grain of salt. But when I am leaving putts consistently short; it's a product of forward stroke inefficiency (body parts not working in concert toward a common goal). In my case I get just shy of completing my back stroke and my shoulders subsequently begin the forward motion before my hands believe is appropriate. So instead of one unified feeling from shoulders to fingertips; I'm dealing with the feeling of quick shoulders and hands playing catch-up. The result is an early active release, less predictable strike/roll and often ends up short and off line. The remedy for me is to focus on completing my backstroke. I want the sense that all motion stops briefly before beginning the forward stroke. When I'm properly completing my backstroke, it feels like much less effort is required to get the ball to the hole. Good luck and as CASH accurately alluded; the foundation of great putting is overwhelmingly psychological. ______S9-1 Pro D - Matrix Ozik XCON 6 S ______S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S ________3DX 17* - Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid SG ______ICON Black 4-PW - KBS Tour V S __________588 RTG 49 RTX 52.10 56.12 - DG S400 ______Amazing Grace NYC Tour CS _______'19 TP5X (the preceding have all been gamer approved) "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ - Ben Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcscott Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I bought a 33" ER2 as it was the length I had fitted my Odyssey 9 to and have had great success with it. It rolls very true and I have found with odd exception that I leave a lot fewer putts short. I also practice from time to time with a drill from this link: http://www.golf.com/instruction/drop-5-strokes-10-weeks It helps for sure. I am also reading the book "Better Faster" but have not put it into practice yet. I would rather play than practice, so I'm hoping the better faster book helps me build a plan that won't bore me. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I bought a 33" ER2 as it was the length I had fitted my Odyssey 9 to and have had great success with it. It rolls very true and I have found with odd exception that I leave a lot fewer putts short. I also practice from time to time with a drill from this link: http://www.golf.com/instruction/drop-5-strokes-10-weeks It helps for sure. I am also reading the book "Better Faster" but have not put it into practice yet. I would rather play than practice, so I'm hoping the better faster book helps me build a plan that won't bore me. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy He putts REALLY well with his Evenroll ER2 ! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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