Mark Crossfield Signs Club Deal with Titleist

[Franc38]

TM made a choice. Big deal! Dude's got money and can buy the products for review... I'm glad Crossfield shared the info so we can see the inner workings, but all of this really doesn't matter in the grand scheme. TM has been doing this, and will continue to, and Crissfield needs to get over himself and just move-on. Sometimes I think folks think they're more important than they really are. It's golf clubs. It's TM. It's NOT surprising!!!

 

 

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Right.

And I just realized something... Most Crossfield devout followers are TM haters in the first place, so it wouldn't make any sense "talking" to these guys via Mark therefore why waste money sending clubs to MC... That would be a bad business decision, or require a massive investment to change their minds.

 

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[jaskanski]

This whole hubbub makes me laugh - in particular when people including OEM's have short memories.

Taylormade is refusing to give Mark any equipment for test evaluation or critique? Well - it wasn't that long ago when Titleist themselves refused to give ANY journo's their equipment for comparison with other brands, citing the excuse that any comparison was pointless unless it were custom fitted to each individual. True enough I guess, but to a large extent this is what Mark tries to get across on a regular basis - comparison or opinion only matters to a fitted club to an individual. 

TM's stance seems to be pretty logical, given the launch of their latest generation of equipment and wanting the testers involved to be "on message" with their sales pitch - but who says that Mark wouldn't be? Just because he plays (albeit for an undisclosed arrangement) different OEM's equipment, does his or anyone else's opinion suddenly become irrelevant? 

Well, if they haven't been fitted for it - then yes is probably the answer. Unless of course you simply want to know how it looks and sounds and the tech behind it (like most of us do). 

[yungkory]

This whole hubbub makes me laugh - in particular when people including OEM's have short memories.

Taylormade is refusing to give Mark any equipment for test evaluation or critique? Well - it wasn't that long ago when Titleist themselves refused to give ANY journo's their equipment for comparison with other brands, citing the excuse that any comparison was pointless unless it were custom fitted to each individual. True enough I guess, but to a large extent this is what Mark tries to get across on a regular basis - comparison or opinion only matters to a fitted club to an individual. 

TM's stance seems to be pretty logical, given the launch of their latest generation of equipment and wanting the testers involved to be "on message" with their sales pitch - but who says that Mark wouldn't be? Just because he plays (albeit for an undisclosed arrangement) different OEM's equipment, does his or anyone else's opinion suddenly become irrelevant? 

Well, if they haven't been fitted for it - then yes is probably the answer. Unless of course you simply want to know how it looks and sounds and the tech behind it (like most of us do). 

 

That is one of Crossfield's main points in his last vlog. If TM was confident in their tech, why not stand behind it and send one for review? From a marketing standpoint, it makes sense - you don't see movie ads quoting the critics who said their movies suck, you only see the good quotes. Why would you send it to someone who is going to give you an honest review where they might say that it's all hype?

 

Rick Sheils mentioned that TM might not be the first to implement something that isn't the standard roll & bulge, and that Cobra might have released something of similar technology to Twist face, but it just wasn't marketed as heavily. Wonder if he's going to get kicked off of "the list" as well 

[yungkory]

TM made a choice. Big deal! Dude's got money and can buy the products for review... I'm glad Crossfield shared the info so we can see the inner workings, but all of this really doesn't matter in the grand scheme. TM has been doing this, and will continue to, and Crissfield needs to get over himself and just move-on. Sometimes I think folks think they're more important than they really are. It's golf clubs. It's TM. It's NOT surprising!!!

 

 

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Good thing you're an MGS donor - because they have to buy the M3/M4 if it's going to be included in the Most Wanted test for 2018

[PMookie]

Good thing you're an MGS donor - because they have to buy the M3/M4 if it's going to be included in the Most Wanted test for 2018

Yep! I got them covered! Heck, maybe there's even a store owner that will hook them up with one of each for testing.

 

 

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[jaskanski]

That is one of Crossfield's main points in his last vlog. If TM was confident in their tech, why not stand behind it and send one for review? From a marketing standpoint, it makes sense - you don't see movie ads quoting the critics who said their movies suck, you only see the good quotes. Why would you send it to someone who is going to give you an honest review where they might say that it's all hype?

 

Rick Sheils mentioned that TM might not be the first to implement something that isn't the standard roll & bulge, and that Cobra might have released something of similar technology to Twist face, but it just wasn't marketed as heavily. Wonder if he's going to get kicked off of "the list" as well 

 

It's probably for the best if TM denied Crossfiled an insight into what is a unique sales pitch, as I'm certain that Mark would mention an unwelcome distraction by saying that this won't cure hooks or slices.

I'm not that hopeful of getting anything from TM either when I concur - this won't cure hooks or slices.

[Jiro]

While I feel TM seems a little over sensitive these days, I see their side on this and don't blame them. How can you have unbiased testing if you are getting paid by one of the OEMs?

 

 

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[Golfspy_Lukes]

Crossfield is really acting like a dick now. His social media accounts and latest videos are laced with snarky comments about TaylorMade.

 

He's acting like a middle school girl right now and it's extremely off-putting

[downlowkey]

Crossfield is really acting like a dick now. His social media accounts and latest videos are laced with snarky comments about TaylorMade.

 

He's acting like a middle school girl right now and it's extremely off-putting

Agreed. Trying to frame the #taylormadehateme campaign as merely fallout from some fanciful beyond reproach unbiased instructor status is a ludicrous attempt to control the narrative. In reality, his high strung personality and nervous hyena laughter are off-putting to significant demographics. Such personality types are prone to impetuous behavior (ie - Tmag won't give me free equipment blathering).

It was a huge mistake for him to start down this prattle tattle path, but who he is as a person will likely not allow for a humble course correction. Watching the tailspin is alternately sad and maddening as he completely ignores all the people begging him to pull out of it while replying "Haha ; Tmag being Tmag..." to any of his ass kissers. The dude needs level-headed representation in a bad way right now.

[Brjpool]

I really like his review videos, I have been off put by his videos basically that aren't tips or club reviews.

 

If TM had a truly superior driver than why not send it to him. I mean really how good would it be to have a reviewer who is paid to play titliest giving your driver or clubs a good review. On the flip side, it does put somewhat of a dent in his integrity, now that's he payed to play titliest. I'll still listen to his review but I'll probably take it with a grain of salt now

 

 

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[yungkory]

Controversy gets you clicks, he's milking it hard, but riding things until the wheels fall off is his forte - #7 #getupdan lovely boy music, etc. I don't even watch his swing tip vlogs anymore because they're always the same messages, most commonly the idea of shallowing the club. I was excited about the Titleist deal and I still am, because I'm hoping it brings some fresh content. Coming up with new stuff almost daily has to be hard - I pretty much only watch him to see Rory suck, and watching people golf when I can't play is fun.

[Golfspy_Lukes]

Controversy gets you clicks, he's milking it hard, but riding things until the wheels fall off is his forte - #7 #getupdan lovely boy music, etc. I don't even watch his swing tip vlogs anymore because they're always the same messages, most commonly the idea of shallowing the club. I was excited about the Titleist deal and I still am, because I'm hoping it brings some fresh content. Coming up with new stuff almost daily has to be hard - I pretty much only watch him to see Rory suck, and watching people golf when I can't play is fun.

Same here. I mainly watch for the course vlogs now.

 

I do like his his philosophy about the swing that there is no perfect swing and that face/path at impact is what truly matters.

 

I honestly think only does club reviews still because it's easy clicks/viewers. Hell, he even admitted during his 'Top 5 Drivers of the Year" that the only reason he was doing that video was for views and because it's what the landscape of viewers wants to see, for some reason

[yungkory]

Same here. I mainly watch for the course vlogs now.

 

I do like his his philosophy about the swing that there is no perfect swing and that face/path at impact is what truly matters.

 

I honestly think only does club reviews still because it's easy clicks/viewers. Hell, he even admitted during his 'Top 5 Drivers of the Year" that the only reason he was doing that video was for views and because it's what the landscape of viewers wants to see, for some reason

 

Definitely!

[Sean]

I don't have an issue with Mark signing a sponsership. He has always said that you should go test for yourself and not completely rely on his results. If that doesn't change good for him getting some extra money for his historical efforts.

 

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[SmashnGrabMcnabb]

I like Mark Crossfeild, his reviews in the past have been wonderful and I don't see that changing anytime soon.  I get that he still has the ability to give unbiased reviews and maybe that will not change either.  

 

But with him receiving money from a company (Great for him) his subjectivity can and unfortunately will be questioned from here on out.  

 

From watching years of reviews I have always viewed him as a Mizuno guy at least irons wise, watching his new WITB video made me laugh.  In that video it appears he took his "unbias view" away.  The putter made me question him the most...He now switched to a Scotty (which if its free...would be very tempting) from the classic versa odyssey 9 that he has praised in years of videos because the color combo frames the ball to a Monterrey sc (i think)  He then goes on about how he now prefers a firm putter to an insert.(the odyssey 9 model that he has played for years has an insert and typically Odyssey has relied on Inserts for a majority of their putter lines.

 

In this video he also stated that he has to be unbiased because he still has an old ping hybrid in his bag after the fitting.  

 

Ok, sorry for the rant but Crossfeild is showing how unbiased he is by the constant berating of Taylormade...

[Bags]

If you are a company, do you really want to be sending your product to someone who is getting paid to use a competitor's product?

 

I understand both sides here, but I think Crossfield is complaining a bit too much about it. He made a decision for money. Plain and simple. And good for him.

 

But to then go out and complain about other golf companies not sending you stuff because you're being paid by another golf company just doesn't sit well with me.

 

If MGS was getting tons of ad money from Ping and all the MGS employees got free Ping gear we're supposed to believe that there's no change to their testing integrity?

 

There's a reason MGS doesn't accept ad dollars from major OEMs

agree 100% conflict of interest

 

 

Bags

[dhartmann34]

It can't not have an effect on his reviews. It's a clear conflict of interest. Him trying to deny it is crap. I'd like to see him come out and say "this Titleist iron just doesn't perform"...

 

But it'll never happen.

 

I've unfollowed him after his hissy fit about Taylormade. I've had enough of it.

 

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[TBT]

I think both sides are being petty. Not sure you should sign a sponsor deal with one company if you are going to do reviews of other companies clubs.....I'm not saying he will be biased....but there will always be people that question his reviews based on the sponsorship.

 

As far as TM goes....they should provide gear to credible reviewers...period.

[Golfspy_Lukes]

I'm still watching Crossfield (not club reviews, they were never what I was most interested in), but I'd agree he's overdoing the TM bashing now. He's in danger of losing a big chunk of audience, hope the Titleist checks make up the difference...

 

And while I enjoy the outdoors on course stuff, the golf with his buddies vids seem like all inside jokes we're not in on. Finch may become even more interesting to me. And I enjoy Golfholics, especially in winter when I can't play myself.

 

Funny, I just subscribed to Finch last night.  If Crossfield keeps up the snarky TM shots, especially in his non-equipment related course vlogs, then I will be unfollowing him

[yungkory]

I'm still watching Crossfield (not club reviews, they were never what I was most interested in), but I'd agree he's overdoing the TM bashing now. He's in danger of losing a big chunk of audience, hope the Titleist checks make up the difference...

 

And while I enjoy the outdoors on course stuff, the golf with his buddies vids seem like all inside jokes we're not in on. Finch may become even more interesting to me. And I enjoy Golfholics, especially in winter when I can't play myself.

 

 

Funny, I just subscribed to Finch last night.  If Crossfield keeps up the snarky TM shots, especially in his non-equipment related course vlogs, then I will be unfollowing him

 

I watch all of the UK golf vlogger guys - Rick Sheils, Finch, Andy Carter, Matt Fryer, and Crossfield. Shiels is still my favorite, with the rest of them (aside from Crossfield) all coming in tied for 2nd. They are fun to watch and all great golfers, and they don't go full retard on the course with their banter/jokes. I watch Crossfield because he puts content out more regularly, so when I'm bored I know there's a high probability that there will be a Crossfield video for me to watch. Like I said before I mostly watch to see Rory blow a hole with a stroke on the group, or to see Lockey smoke a drive 150y straight, and 175y right The entertainment value for me comes from seeing them have fun, sometimes MC takes it too far with the giggling and stuff, but seeing them have fun is what keeps me tied over until I can play again.

 

Golfholics make amazing videos, their production value is top notch IMO. I just hate seeing that swoop... functional, but Jesus -- it's ugly. If you watch the channel you know what I mean. Mike's a hell of a golfer though, and that's what matters most.