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So, it may be a little rant-like but I want to improve as quickly as possible without going in circles so I thought I'll ask for an opinion here.

 

Went for my first lesson - as I've started struggling with 2-5 irons for some reason, so instead of the usual 2h spent on pitching and chipping - we spent some time on going back to basics with the swing.

 

My impact position was still pretty solid, the body works 'okish' but i wasnt happy with the contact on shots.

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So after a few shots the diagnosis was - I'm laying off the shaft too much.

 

I am consciously doing it, as I've got a fade and want to avoid having a slice.

 

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So I've been told that the hands want to go where the grip is pointing. Which most of the time I'd agree with but I like to have a certain 'feel' that helps me with timing a lot and not coming into the ball steep like hell.

 

We worked for a while on it, to set the club shaft basically parallel to the target line.

 

The contact is a bit better, but im back to hitting slices.

 

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Anyway, took it to the course, it wasnt the worst or best. I played fairly ok. And then went for a lesson just out of curiosity with a different guy at a different place as with my current one - seems my long game has stopped progressing/been stagnant for a while.

 

And he basically turned 180 degrees, said my shaft is too steep, that it should be pointing at about 2o'clock at the top of the swing etc...

Literally the exact opposite of what I was working on. Also - after that lesson I went to the range, and could not hit the ball for about 40-45 minutes. I felt like I've wasted £70.

 

But then 2 opposite opinions... Which one is right? How the hell am I supposed to find a coach to trust?

I have the aspiration to get to scratch within a short period of time.

 

So yeah... Kind of bummed.

 

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Advice?

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Did you approach the 2nd teacher with the same issue?

Not sure the shaft to point to 2 o'clock is good. That seems a bit much unless it's a wood or driver.

I'd lean towards the 1st guy and stick with him.

Also, golf isn't a sprint. It's a stroll.

Enjoy the journey cause not everyone gets to scratch.

Good luck and have fun.

 

 

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Did you approach the 2nd teacher with the same issue?

Not sure the shaft to point to 2 o'clock is good. That seems a bit much unless it's a wood or driver.

I'd lean towards the 1st guy and stick with him.

Also, golf isn't a sprint. It's a stroll.

Enjoy the journey cause not everyone gets to scratch.

Good luck and have fun.

 

 

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Neither of them gave you a correct diagnosis or remedy. In the first pic you aren't laid off. Laid off doesn't have to do with where the shaft merely points at the end of the backswing but only where the shaft points IF the backswing reaches parallel to the ground. In the first pic you have an incomplete backswing caused by stiff arms and stiff wrists. Relax a bit and it would be better.

 

In the second pic you've gotten to parallel but done so by overswinging. It looks like your chest is starting to point up to the sky just a tad, meaning you've gone into reverse c and missed the reverse k position. Hello slice!

 

Go back to the first swing, stop the backswing at reverse k (chest tilted slightly down to the right side) and don't over rotate the back into reverse c. Relax your arms and wrists (don't stiffen or try to straighten the left arm, just relax) and you'll have a more complete backswing and should produce more speed with more ease and fluidity.

 

Hope that helps!

 

 

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Just a quick observation, and I'm no pro by a long stretch so take what I say as just an observation.

 

But it looks like your right heel is off the ground? Is this on the way down? Or at the top?

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Neither of them gave you a correct diagnosis or remedy. In the first pic you aren't laid off. Laid off doesn't have to do with where the shaft merely points at the end of the backswing but only where the shaft points IF the backswing reaches parallel to the ground. In the first pic you have an incomplete backswing caused by stiff arms and stiff wrists. Relax a bit and it would be better.

 

In the second pic you've gotten to parallel but done so by overswinging. It looks like your chest is starting to point up to the sky just a tad, meaning you've gone into reverse c and missed the reverse k position. Hello slice!

 

Go back to the first swing, stop the backswing at reverse k (chest tilted slightly down to the right side) and don't over rotate the back into reverse c. Relax your arms and wrists (don't stiffen or try to straighten the left arm, just relax) and you'll have a more complete backswing and should produce more speed with more ease and fluidity.

 

Hope that helps!

 

 

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Is your right heel off the mat at the top in both pics???

 

 

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The issue in your first pic is not being laid-off... One's hands go where they're being FORCED to go, or where gravity/kinetic energy takes them. My guess, based on photo one, is that your hands and club are working out much more than just dropping down. In the video, at parallel on the way down, the head of your club is out in front of the shaft. That means your hands are inside the head and the head has no way to get back inside. You're the opposite of me in that you could really use some drills to get your club more inside, hitting the inside 1/4 of the ball, and the path needs to go to “right field”.

If your right heel is off the mat, your weight is way too far forward. I would stick with guy number one, if you have to pick one of the two.

 

 

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Overall your swing looks pretty solid. Actually a nice looking swing I think. Since I'm not an instructor I can't critique your swing or offer swing advice. I would like to suggest however that you perhaps work with the guy you like the best. Than... you need to tell him specifically what you want to accomplish or need fixed. You certainly don't need a rebuilt swing that's for sure. Just some tweaks. And minor ones at that. Don't let the instructor control the instruction. Certainly not at your level of play and experience.

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The heel looks like it's off the mat, it's not its just the shoes that look that way. The first guy would like my club in the first pic to point towards the ground at that moment in the swing btw.

So, at the top, he wants the butt of the club to point at the ground??? Or head of the club???

 

I change my mind on this Information alone... I would find someone else!!!!

 

If the butt of the club were to point down at the ground when you're at the top, your wrists would have zero hinge, and in-fact, be pre-released... If he says the head of the club should be down pointing to the ground, he's asking you to over-rotate, and do something that only long-drive guys could do.

Yeah. I would NOT go back to him. Doesn't know what “laid off” is and now this?! No way.

 

 

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So, at the top, he wants the butt of the club to point at the ground??? Or head of the club???

 

I change my mind on this Information alone... I would find someone else!!!!

 

If the butt of the club were to point down at the ground when you're at the top, your wrists would have zero hinge, and in-fact, be pre-released... If he says the head of the club should be down pointing to the ground, he's asking you to over-rotate, and do something that only long-drive guys could do.

Yeah. I would NOT go back to him. Doesn't know what “laid off” is and now this?! No way.

 

 

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I mean the path of hands should be with the butt pointing at the target line all the time basically.

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You definitely look more stable in the top picture. I get to about the same position at the top. Bottom picture your left wrist looks to be bowed or starting too. I also get that if I go too far, which leads to a big fade for me.

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I mean the path of hands should be with the butt pointing at the target line all the time basically.

To be truly “on plane” the butt of the club actually points out further than the target line.... Anyway. I say scrap both. Go to the TOP rated guy in your State. I drive 4 1/2 hours to see my guy once a quarter and we do video and calls in-between. But, that's me.

 

 

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To be truly “on plane” the butt of the club actually points out further than the target line.... Anyway. I say scrap both. Go to the TOP rated guy in your State. I drive 4 1/2 hours to see my guy once a quarter and we do video and calls in-between. But, that's me.

 

 

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Yeah I have considered that... There is Pete Cowen - coach to Stenson which is available and surprisingly not expensive... 

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Yeah I have considered that... There is Pete Cowen - coach to Stenson which is available and surprisingly not expensive...

Wow not expensive and available sounds like a good idea to me.

 

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Yeah I have considered that... There is Pete Cowen - coach to Stenson which is available and surprisingly not expensive...

Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!

 

I'd be on that yesterday! Be like Nike and JUST DO IT!!!!

 

 

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Ah damn, he stopped doing lessons now and only you can get it from the guys at his academy :-/

I'd STILL go there. Learned from a legend!

 

 

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