Shankster Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 To say anybody stole the coloured golfball idea from Volvik is oversimplification. They weren't first to do it either. What I don't understand about the Titleist commercial is the graph where they rank feel. How do you possibly make a graph of something so subjective and pretend it's fact? Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Any bit of info can be construed into what ever you want it to say. You could put Chevy vs Ford. Then a sub category of how the seats felt, and what color you liked best, even down to the stitching. Then pull data from that and make a graph look how you want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I'll just lay in the weeds and play my Srixon ball and irons. I'm satisfied where I'm at Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy That's where I find mine too! Sent from my Pixel XL using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 To say anybody stole the coloured golfball idea from Volvik is oversimplification. They weren't first to do it either. What I don't understand about the Titleist commercial is the graph where they rank feel. How do you possibly make a graph of something so subjective and pretend it's fact? Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk No kidding. Doesn't anyone remember Jerry Pate rocking the orange Prostaff in like 1980? And Titleist throwing orange and yellow 384 DTs out there immediately after that Sent from my Pixel XL using MyGolfSpy mobile app Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miboy62 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 No kidding. Doesn't anyone remember Jerry Oate rocking the orange Prostaff in like 1980? And Titleist throwing orange and yellow 384 DTs out there immediately after that Sent from my Pixel XL using MyGolfSpy mobile app Back in HS in the late 70's Wilson & Titleist had orange balls. I can't remember who come out first, but I played the orange Pro Staffs first. ZX5 MKII LS 8.5 Stealth 2 plus 3 wood Stealth 2 plus 5 wood Stealth 2 plus 19.5 Hybrid ZX5 MKll 5 / AW Dart stiff MG3 black 52 9b 58 12b 7.5 Phantom 34” Z Star Diamond 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 The add said better than chrome soft, TP5, and 330RXS Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Dude Cmon. Companies steal ideas all of the time. Callaway didn't call out Titleist for coming out with a soft compression ball. They called them out for deceiving their customers by comparing a Surlyn distance ball with Urethane Tour balls.To THEIR ball. So I guess Callaway was justified to reply. I would side with Titleist right to reply if Callaway called their drivers out for always being a release late in the latest technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdfrey6er Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 We all know the other OEMs are just trying to meet the standard that Titleist set in the ball industry! While Callaway has a point in comparing the ball construction, Titleist equally has a valid point in putting the info in fine print to try to market a more affordable ball. At this point, everyone is just trying to "reinvent the ball" Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 The Callaway Chrome Soft spins more than the Titleist DT Tru-soft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdumble21 Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 I wish the ball war would translate into discounted prices. Maybe every time they introduce a new version of a ball they would discount the old version kinda like drivers - let's say 2017 pro v1 at half the price of 2018 pro v1. Now that would be fun to see. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy I'm trying hard not to imagine the utter chaos that might ensue if Pro V1s were half-price for the next year or so. It'd almost be like the Kirkland Signature ball all over again!! Driver: Cobra F9 Speedback (9.0) with Fujikura Atmos 7X (Avalanche White) 3 Wood: Callaway Epic Sub-Zero (15 degrees) in Rogue Max 75g stiff shaft Hybrid (not in play): Callaway Apex 20 degree with Kurokage 80g Stiff Shaft Driving Iron: Wilson Staff Utility Iron 18 degree with KBS Hybrid Stiff shaft Irons: Wilson Staff CB 4-PW in KBS 120 Stiff shafts Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM6 - 50; Callaway MD4 - 56; Vokey SM9 - 60 Putter: Taylormade Rossa CGB Golf Ball: Srixon Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Curious to see where that AVX sits. I'm guessing in the “Way too much†category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Titleist's new commercial compares tour balls to their new distance ball. Though you wouldn't know what they weren't comparing it to unless you read the fine print. Titleist is embarrassing themselves IMG_20180128_081904.jpg Bruhhhh that graph has me sold. The Chromesoft has 0 feels! ZERO! 15 feels is way better. Also, the Chromesoft has 0 distance!!! Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Curious to see where that AVX sits. I'm guessing in the “Way too much†category. I'm hoping lots of people buy them in advance of events at our club. That way I can go around e course after the event and pick up all of those lost balls. That's the only way they'll find their way into my bag Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Well, here's my take on the ball wars..... Currently, TMag has a 70 compression Project (a) Callaway has a 70 compression Chrome Soft Titleist has a 70 compression Tour Soft I say we do a side by side test on these 3 balls..... Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Well, here's my take on the ball wars..... Currently, TMag has a 70 compression Project (a) Callaway has a 70 compression Chrome Soft Titleist has a 70 compression Tour Soft I say we do a side by side test on these 3 balls..... Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy One of these is not like the other Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Who did make the first colored golf ball? Was it ProStaff? Wilson? Ram? I can't find anything online that notes who was first with non-white golf balls in mass production. Also, it was Wayne Levi that first rolled colored golf balls to win PGA Tournaments, not Jerry Pate. Sorry to get y'all off track. Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 One of these is not like the other I think Foz thinks cover material is not important. For me it is the most important for spin into greens and greenside. If cover is not important, Callaway has a Superhot 70, TM has the Aeroburner Soft but 50+ compression. These are better comparisons to the "Tour" Soft for distance and softness. Titleist has been using the term "Tour" on non urethane balls for quite awhile. Misleading? Maybe, however TM and Callaway have had 3pc non urethane balls called "pro" or "tp". Only Titleist has had the term or similar on a 2pc non urethane ball. There is probably a non-urethane ball in play in some tour somewhere in the world. I think it would be extremely difficult to find one on any of the major tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I think Foz thinks cover material is not important. For me it is the most important for spin into greens and greenside. If cover is not important, Callaway has a Superhot 70, TM has the Aeroburner Soft but 50+ compression. These are better comparisons to the "Tour" Soft for distance and softness. Titleist has been using the term "Tour" on non urethane balls for quite awhile. Misleading? Maybe, however TM and Callaway have had 3pc non urethane balls called "pro" or "tp". Only Titleist has had the term or similar on a 2pc non urethane ball. There is probably a non-urethane ball in play in some tour somewhere in the world. I think it would be extremely difficult to find one on any of the major tours. It's been confirmed before that nobody on any major tour plays a non-urethane covered ball.Heck, it's why Dean Snell is adamant that you start all ball fittings on and around the green and work backwards. Players that can't generate spin on pitches and chips really don't have to much of a need for a urethane cover since they don't have the speed/technique to get the most out of that type of cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I think Harry was justified in calling them out, yes the fine print mentions to other balls but the big bold print calls out the Chrome Soft, but the very limited conditions are in ultra fine print. I would however love to see a full side by side test of the 2.....think we could make that happen? XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Bruhhhh that graph has me sold. The Chromesoft has 0 feels! ZERO! 15 feels is way better. Also, the Chromesoft has 0 distance!!! We need to run out and buy all the feels! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Has Titleist responded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 We need to run out and buy all the feels! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy By that graph, the Chrome Soft also goes 0 distances. How can you even play it if it goes 0 distances?!?! Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newballcoach Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The most ridiculous part about that chart and the commercial in general, is anybody with even half-decent knowledge of golf balls is going to know that it's bogus. A 2-piece surlyn ball is going to be blown away by any multi-layered urethane covered ball, it's common knowledge and ridiculous to say otherwise. No test is necessary, we all know the results. The only advantage might be distance and Titleist's marketing material (that tells you everyone should play pro V1) tells you all balls go the same distance. I guess unless they're from another manufacturer that gets zero distance... WITB Driver- PING G400 LST w/ Project X Evenflow Black Fwy- TM Aeroburner 16.5HL Irons- Callaway Steelhead XR (3-PW) Wedges- Callaway MD3 (50,54,58) Putter- Cleveland TFI Satin Cero Ball- Snell MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Actually that is where the "Tour" part of the marketing comes in. The plays 1x a month-non equipment junkie will see "Tour" on the shelf and assume it is a tour caliber/urethane ball or "what the guys on Tour use". They see the slight distance gains and will attribute the lack of spin to the fact they don't have tour swing speeds, tour wedges, or play on tour greens. Meanwhile Titleist will keep taking their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 That being said I used to use a a non urethane "Tour" ball during rainy season/soft greens. Albiet a 3pc one. The Tri Speed Tour. Now I switch back and forth between the 330RX and Chrome Soft regardless of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 That being said I used to use a a non urethane "Tour" ball during rainy season/soft greens. Albiet a 3pc one. The Tri Speed Tour. Now I switch back and forth between the 330RX and Chrome Soft regardless of season. According to the commercial, the new 2 pc tour soft is better than both of those. Especially in the “feels†area where the CS is a zero, they also won't win any long drive contests because they also go zero yards. I also find the CS my ball of choice right now. I've never had any problem with distance, and they feels soft around the greens for me. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Tony took to this topic on the blog this morning. Just posting there link here instead of creating a new post. Seems like he's on the same side as the rest of us but does a decent job of arguing a case for both sides. https://mygolfspy.com/callaways-harry-arnett-goes-rogue-calls-out-titleist-over-misleading-and-untrustworthy-ad/ Sent from carrier pigeon using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 That's hysterical. Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCLeo12 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Callaway sent me the new Chrome Soft X and I was not impressed. It felt good and was long but did not spin around the greens at all. I have a body that got some too and he said the same thing. Ping G410 LST 10.5 set -1* Flat Accra TZ5 65 M5 Callaway Epic Flash 15* set -1 Aldila ATX Blue 75TX Ben Hogan FT Worth Hi 19* KBS Tour V X Ben Hogan PTX Pro 4-P KBS Tour V X 2* Flat 4* loft increments Hogan Equalizer 50* KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 X 2* Flat Hogan Equalizer 56* KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 2* Flat Hogan Equalizer 62* KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 2* Flat EVNROLL ER7 P2 Aware Tour Scotty Cameron Newport2 Buttonback P2 Aware Tour Grip Snell MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 That's hysterical. I didn't win the driver/balls though Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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