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To say anybody stole the coloured golfball idea from Volvik is oversimplification. They weren't first to do it either.

 

What I don't understand about the Titleist commercial is the graph where they rank feel. How do you possibly make a graph of something so subjective and pretend it's fact?

 

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Any bit of info can be construed into what ever you want it to say.

 

You could put Chevy vs Ford. Then a sub category of how the seats felt, and what color you liked best, even down to the stitching. Then pull data from that and make a graph look how you want it to.

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I'll just lay in the weeds and play my Srixon ball and irons. I'm satisfied where I'm at

 

 

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To say anybody stole the coloured golfball idea from Volvik is oversimplification. They weren't first to do it either.

 

What I don't understand about the Titleist commercial is the graph where they rank feel. How do you possibly make a graph of something so subjective and pretend it's fact?

 

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No kidding. Doesn't anyone remember Jerry Pate rocking the orange Prostaff in like 1980? And Titleist throwing orange and yellow 384 DTs out there immediately after that

 

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No kidding. Doesn't anyone remember Jerry Oate rocking the orange Prostaff in like 1980? And Titleist throwing orange and yellow 384 DTs out there immediately after that

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Back in HS in the late 70's Wilson & Titleist had orange balls.

I can't remember who come out first, but I played the orange Pro Staffs first.

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Dude Cmon. Companies steal ideas all of the time. Callaway didn't call out Titleist for coming out with a soft compression ball. They called them out for deceiving their customers by comparing a Surlyn distance ball with Urethane Tour balls.

To THEIR ball. So I guess Callaway was justified to reply.

 

I would side with Titleist right to reply if Callaway called their drivers out for always being a release late in the latest technology.

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We all know the other OEMs are just trying to meet the standard that Titleist set in the ball industry! While Callaway has a point in comparing the ball construction, Titleist equally has a valid point in putting the info in fine print to try to market a more affordable ball. At this point, everyone is just trying to "reinvent the ball"

 

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I wish the ball war would translate into discounted prices. Maybe every time they introduce a new version of a ball they would discount the old version kinda like drivers - let's say 2017 pro v1 at half the price of 2018 pro v1. Now that would be fun to see.

 

 

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Titleist's new commercial compares tour balls to their new distance ball. Though you wouldn't know what they weren't comparing it to unless you read the fine print.

 

Titleist is embarrassing themselves attachicon.gifIMG_20180128_081904.jpg

 

Bruhhhh that graph has me sold. The Chromesoft has 0 feels! ZERO! 15 feels is way better. Also, the Chromesoft has 0 distance!!!

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Curious to see where that AVX sits. I'm guessing in the “Way too much” category.

I'm hoping lots of people buy them in advance of events at our club. That way I can go around e course after the event and pick up all of those lost balls. That's the only way they'll find their way into my bag

 

 

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Well, here's my take on the ball wars.....

 

Currently,

 

TMag has a 70 compression Project (a)

 

Callaway has a 70 compression Chrome Soft

 

Titleist has a 70 compression Tour Soft

 

I say we do a side by side test on these 3 balls.....

 

 

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Well, here's my take on the ball wars.....

 

Currently,

 

TMag has a 70 compression Project (a)

 

Callaway has a 70 compression Chrome Soft

 

Titleist has a 70 compression Tour Soft

 

I say we do a side by side test on these 3 balls.....

 

 

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One of these is not like the other

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Who did make the first colored golf ball? 

 

Was it ProStaff? Wilson? Ram? I can't find anything online that notes who was first with non-white golf balls in mass production. 

 

Also, it was Wayne Levi that first rolled colored golf balls to win PGA Tournaments, not Jerry Pate. 

 

Sorry to get y'all off track. 

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One of these is not like the other

I think Foz thinks cover material is not important.

 

For me it is the most important for spin into greens and greenside.

 

If cover is not important, Callaway has a Superhot 70, TM has the Aeroburner Soft but 50+ compression. These are better comparisons to the "Tour" Soft for distance and softness.

 

Titleist has been using the term "Tour" on non urethane balls for quite awhile. Misleading? Maybe, however TM and Callaway have had 3pc non urethane balls called "pro" or "tp". Only Titleist has had the term or similar on a 2pc non urethane ball.

 

There is probably a non-urethane ball in play in some tour somewhere in the world. I think it would be extremely difficult to find one on any of the major tours.

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I think Foz thinks cover material is not important.

 

For me it is the most important for spin into greens and greenside.

 

If cover is not important, Callaway has a Superhot 70, TM has the Aeroburner Soft but 50+ compression. These are better comparisons to the "Tour" Soft for distance and softness.

 

Titleist has been using the term "Tour" on non urethane balls for quite awhile. Misleading? Maybe, however TM and Callaway have had 3pc non urethane balls called "pro" or "tp". Only Titleist has had the term or similar on a 2pc non urethane ball.

 

There is probably a non-urethane ball in play in some tour somewhere in the world. I think it would be extremely difficult to find one on any of the major tours.

It's been confirmed before that nobody on any major tour plays a non-urethane covered ball.

Heck, it's why Dean Snell is adamant that you start all ball fittings on and around the green and work backwards.

 

Players that can't generate spin on pitches and chips really don't have to much of a need for a urethane cover since they don't have the speed/technique to get the most out of that type of cover.

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I think Harry was justified in calling them out, yes the fine print mentions to other balls but the big bold print calls out the Chrome Soft, but the very limited conditions are in ultra fine print.

 

I would however love to see a full side by side test of the 2.....think we could make that happen?

 

 

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Bruhhhh that graph has me sold. The Chromesoft has 0 feels! ZERO! 15 feels is way better. Also, the Chromesoft has 0 distance!!!

We need to run out and buy all the feels!

 

 

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We need to run out and buy all the feels!

 

 

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By that graph, the Chrome Soft also goes 0 distances. How can you even play it if it goes 0 distances?!?!

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The most ridiculous part about that chart and the commercial in general, is anybody with even half-decent knowledge of golf balls is going to know that it's bogus. A 2-piece surlyn ball is going to be blown away by any multi-layered urethane covered ball, it's common knowledge and ridiculous to say otherwise. No test is necessary, we all know the results.

 

The only advantage might be distance and Titleist's marketing material (that tells you everyone should play pro V1) tells you all balls go the same distance. I guess unless they're from another manufacturer that gets zero distance...

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Actually that is where the "Tour" part of the marketing comes in.

 

The plays 1x a month-non equipment junkie will see "Tour" on the shelf and assume it is a tour caliber/urethane ball or "what the guys on Tour use".

 

They see the slight distance gains and will attribute the lack of spin to the fact they don't have tour swing speeds, tour wedges, or play on tour greens. Meanwhile Titleist will keep taking their money.

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That being said I used to use a a non urethane "Tour" ball during rainy season/soft greens. Albiet a 3pc one. The Tri Speed Tour.

 

Now I switch back and forth between the 330RX and Chrome Soft regardless of season.

According to the commercial, the new 2 pc tour soft is better than both of those. Especially in the “feels” area where the CS is a zero, they also won't win any long drive contests because they also go zero yards.

 

I also find the CS my ball of choice right now. I've never had any problem with distance, and they feels soft around the greens for me.

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Tony took to this topic on the blog this morning. Just posting there link here instead of creating a new post.

 

Seems like he's on the same side as the rest of us but does a decent job of arguing a case for both sides.

 

 

 

https://mygolfspy.com/callaways-harry-arnett-goes-rogue-calls-out-titleist-over-misleading-and-untrustworthy-ad/

 

 

 

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That's hysterical.

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Callaway sent me the new Chrome Soft X and I was not impressed. It felt good and was long but did not spin around the greens at all. I have a body that got some too and he said the same thing.

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That's hysterical.

 

I didn't win the driver/balls though :(

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