Kenny B Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 To put it mildly... Jordan Spieth hasn't had his best putting lately. In 2017, he had an OK year for putting but not spectacular. Strokes Gained ranking 42 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 7 Total Putting 68 In 2018 it's a different story Strokes Gained ranking 195 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 190 Total Putting 202 If you watched him putt at the WMPO last week, he missed the cut at Even Par. Missed many short putts; his stroke didn't look the same as I remember it. He obviously knows he has a putting problem. He has to get this worked out soon with the Masters coming up, but he is playing Pebble Beach this week and those Poa Anna greens do not seem like the best venue to work out putting woes. So, does he have a problem, or is it like JT said and it's nothing to be worried about. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 To put it mildly... Jordan Spieth hasn't had his best putting lately. In 2017, he had an OK year for putting but not spectacular. Strokes Gained ranking 42 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 7 Total Putting 68 In 2018 it's a different story Strokes Gained ranking 195 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 190 Total Putting 202 If you watched him putt at the WMPO last week, he missed the cut at Even Par. Missed many short putts; his stroke didn't look the same as I remember it. He obviously knows he has a putting problem. He has to get this worked out soon with the Masters coming up, but he is playing Pebble Beach this week and those Poa Anna greens do not seem like the best venue to work out putting woes. So, does he have a problem, or is it like JT said and it's nothing to be worried about. I seem to recall them (Nobilo?) talking about his putting stats a couple weeks ago and I can't remember the exact details, but the point was he was not a great short putter ( Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 How many tournaments has he played in this year? 2? 3? A little hard to start drawing any firm conclusions based on the limited data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfJunkie302 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 He doesn't have the yips, just not a great start to 2018. Remember, the season only just started. He has a lot of time to turn things around. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk 2017 M1 460, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 JPX EZ 3 wood Fly-Z 4H MP-60, 3i-PW, True Temper Dynamic Gold S5 54° & 58°, True Temper Dynamic Gold California Monterey Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Yes, he has only played in 3 tournaments; but that's 10 rounds of golf. I can understand Spieth having a slow start, maybe a bad round or two. But a pro of his caliber should be able to put together a decent round now and then. He is at the bottom of the tour, but I guess one can say he can only get better. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I wouldn't say he has the yips, but there is something definitely wrong with his putting at the moment. The stats clearly show that. It will be interesting to see when he gets it figured out, could be a long couple months for him. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I think Jordan is a streaky putter inside if 10 feet and a fantastic lag putter. I think people think he is a great putter due to the video where they show his 0'd out puttlab stroke. All your pros are good putters, he just doesn't convert the 10 footers at the rate of the exceptional putters. I'd also be interested in proximity to hole numbers to see how close he is hitting it to the hole. Too early in the season to worry about those rankings, not sure there enough data to compare last year and this year. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Spieth is the Phil of today A great iron player who everyone thinks is a great putter when he's not - in fact he is a below average short putter. Very good if not great mid ranged putter. I would wait a while, like until after the Masters - to become overly concerned about his putting. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Anyone that compares these “new age†golfers to anyone of the past is tarnishing the name of golf. Most recently the Seve / Spieth comparisons. It drives me nuts. None of these guys could play with the equipment that Hogan, Arnie, Seve, Jack played with and anywhere near the result they are having with this MOI and 460cc crap. I'm sorry but I'd take Seve in 100/100 over Jordan within 100 yards of the green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He doesn't have the yips, just not a great start to 2018. Remember, the season only just started. He has a lot of time to turn things around. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk GJ302 I agree with your assessment. There's still a lot of Tournaments and all the Majors to go. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Anyone that compares these “new age†golfers to anyone of the past is tarnishing the name of golf. Most recently the Seve / Spieth comparisons. It drives me nuts. None of these guys could play with the equipment that Hogan, Arnie, Seve, Jack played with and anywhere near the result they are having with this MOI and 460cc crap. I'm sorry but I'd take Seve in 100/100 over Jordan within 100 yards of the green. I love your appreciation of the history of golf, but this is really baseless. How do you know what the guys of today would do with different equipment? Different eras, different play styles, and so many other different variables. And this just isn't with golf - it's all sports. I think it's fun to compare guys across eras, but making blanket statements about who is better just doesn't hold any water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It is unfair to compare the history to these guys. It does hold water, because Seve is the one they compare short game too. Next it will be Phil. None of these guys are near as impressive as Seve, or Phil for that matter. Let's compare a semi truck to a Mini Cooper. That's the driver analogy. I could go on, but I'm sure it's baseless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He's clearly off but it was only one tourny Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 I think Jordan is a streaky putter inside if 10 feet and a fantastic lag putter. I think people think he is a great putter due to the video where they show his 0'd out puttlab stroke. All your pros are good putters, he just doesn't convert the 10 footers at the rate of the exceptional putters. I'd also be interested in proximity to hole numbers to see how close he is hitting it to the hole. Too early in the season to worry about those rankings, not sure there enough data to compare last year and this year. I am a Jordan Spieth fan. I know some people don't like him, but he is definitely talented. However, I am worried that something is up with his putting stroke. I know it's early in his season, but it's also early in other pros' seasons too. He hasn't been this poor of a putter since he turned pro. Something is up; I can feel it. Yes, he has been streaky... from all distances. He is #1 in GIR, and he is #19 in average distance from the hole at 35 feet. But he is #202 in total putting. That ain't right!! Everyone says he is great from middle distance 15-25 feet (and he has been), but this year so far, he is #129 from 15-20 feet, and has only made 1 putt from 20-25 feet. How about If he is working on his putting issues and I'm sure he is, I'm not sure that playing at the ATT Pebble Beach is going to help him. Those greens are difficult to putt, especially late in the day. I know he has done well there, but not with a putting stroke that he doesn't feel comfortable with. I hope he proves me wrong and does well, but if he misses the cut because of his putting, I don't give him much of a chance at the Masters. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I am a Jordan Spieth fan. I know some people don't like him, but he is definitely talented. However, I am worried that something is up with his putting stroke. I know it's early in his season, but it's also early in other pros' seasons too. He hasn't been this poor of a putter since he turned pro. Something is up; I can feel it. Yes, he has been streaky... from all distances. He is #1 in GIR, and he is #19 in average distance from the hole at 35 feet. But he is #202 in total putting. That ain't right!! Everyone says he is great from middle distance 15-25 feet (and he has been), but this year so far, he is #129 from 15-20 feet, and has only made 1 putt from 20-25 feet. How about If he is working on his putting issues and I'm sure he is, I'm not sure that playing at the ATT Pebble Beach is going to help him. Those greens are difficult to putt, especially late in the day. I know he has done well there, but not with a putting stroke that he doesn't feel comfortable with. I hope he proves me wrong and does well, but if he misses the cut because of his putting, I don't give him much of a chance at the Masters. Yes his numbers are off from last year. I still would say there aren't enough numbers to compare to last year. He has played in 4 of 14 events. A poor day or 2 will make the numbers jump significantly. Looking at overall performance you can see players rising or falling 50+ spots. That won't happen as the numbers become statistically meaningful. Maybe there is something going on, but I still think it is too early to evaluate stats for overall performance Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraasty Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He got engaged and now he can't putt. I'm married and can't putt either dang women! It's all their fault I'm sure of it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesedw Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's gotta be women. I can't putt that great either. .. lol. But I can skull shots and slice like a mother.. lol.. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Titleist TSR3 Hzrdus Black 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedge 54* Cleveland RTX Zipcore Wedge 58* Snake Eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Taylormade TP-5X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou mcconaughey Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 All I know is the man has to putt on poa greens this week and they will magnify any problems he MIGHT have. He's still a young pup Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He got engaged and now he can't putt. I'm married and can't putt either dang women! It's all their fault I'm sure of it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Never tied those two together. Will have to give the bad news to my wife. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It is unfair to compare the history to these guys. It does hold water, because Seve is the one they compare short game too. Next it will be Phil. None of these guys are near as impressive as Seve, or Phil for that matter. Let's compare a semi truck to a Mini Cooper. That's the driver analogy. I could go on, but I'm sure it's baseless. I would respectfully disagree - Spieth's short game and Phil's are extremely comparable. In fact their games are comparable across the board with Phil being a bit longer (relatively speaking) and Spieth the better putter. Spieth is way ahead of Phil at this point. Seve had a remarkable short game beyond a doubt. For my money Tiger had the best short game of anyone whom I ever saw. And I saw Seve and Phil - live and on TV. I'd be careful of absolutes. It's very hard to say how any player would fare in a different era. It's like saying I would have been a great Revolutionary War figure. Not likely - I had measles - I wouldn't have made it out of childhood. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yeah, only Siths deal in absolutes. Let them make their own history. Saying they are the next.... doesn't do them any favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 He's still a whinny baby though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charli Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It's just like in any sport, he's going through a little slump. Nothing more but it's probably in his head and once he figures it out he'll be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanSterlingPrice Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It is unfair to compare the history to these guys. It does hold water, because Seve is the one they compare short game too. Next it will be Phil. None of these guys are near as impressive as Seve, or Phil for that matter. Let's compare a semi truck to a Mini Cooper. That's the driver analogy. I could go on, but I'm sure it's baseless. depends on if you're pulling an oversized load or driving in the city. You'll never catch me driving a mini cooper though let's just get that out there. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Right Handed 4.5 handicap Driver: Nike Vapor Flex with Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki ZT60x5ct S-flex shaft and stock grip. 3-Metal: Nike VRS 15 degree with Mitsubishi Rayon tour issue Diamana S73x5ct X-flex shaft and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grip. Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Wedges: Ben Hogan TK15 54, 58 degrees with KBS Tour-V X-flex shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Putter: Nike Method Converge B1|01 with Superstroke Flatso 2.0 grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 He'll be fine, but to me it always seems like guys with lots of forward press are streaky putters, Stockton excluded. I don't see how it can NOT affect their aim. I know that Phil was definitely a streaky guy when he put a lot of forward press in his stroke. 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 He got engaged and now he can't putt. I'm married and can't putt either dang women! It's all their fault I'm sure of it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I was going to say the exact same thing! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Back to Speith, if you watch him putt, from any distance, you can clearly see there is something not right, he has always been sort of a average putter inside 5 feet. I don't care about the numbers comparison from this year to last year, I don't need numbers to see and watch that there is something off within his putting stroke. I am sure he is working on it, and at some point will get it right. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Back to Speith, if you watch him putt, from any distance, you can clearly see there is something not right, he has always been sort of a average putter inside 5 feet. I don't care about the numbers comparison from this year to last year, I don't need numbers to see and watch that there is something off within his putting stroke. I am sure he is working on it, and at some point will get it right. What you are probably seeing is a lack of trust related to some changes he has made and his tinkering with the stroke during the round to try and make corrections. I would liken it to Rory and his complete stroke overhaul. Until he trusts the stroke completely he will have a tendency to fall into old habits when pressure increases. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Wurz Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It kind of amazes me that these guys that climb to number 1 can never stay there. Except for my man DJ! Must be the hot wife keeping him there Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 It kind of amazes me that these guys that climb to number 1 can never stay there. Except for my man DJ! Must be the hot wife keeping him there Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy He could lose it this week. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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