Kenny B 23,197 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 To put it mildly... Jordan Spieth hasn't had his best putting lately. In 2017, he had an OK year for putting but not spectacular. Strokes Gained ranking 42 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 7 Total Putting 68 In 2018 it's a different story Strokes Gained ranking 195 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 190 Total Putting 202 If you watched him putt at the WMPO last week, he missed the cut at Even Par. Missed many short putts; his stroke didn't look the same as I remember it. He obviously knows he has a putting problem. He has to get this worked out soon with the Masters coming up, but he is playing Pebble Beach this week and those Poa Anna greens do not seem like the best venue to work out putting woes. So, does he have a problem, or is it like JT said and it's nothing to be worried about. 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
MaxEntropy 6,517 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 To put it mildly... Jordan Spieth hasn't had his best putting lately. In 2017, he had an OK year for putting but not spectacular. Strokes Gained ranking 42 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 7 Total Putting 68 In 2018 it's a different story Strokes Gained ranking 195 3-Putt Avoidance ranking 190 Total Putting 202 If you watched him putt at the WMPO last week, he missed the cut at Even Par. Missed many short putts; his stroke didn't look the same as I remember it. He obviously knows he has a putting problem. He has to get this worked out soon with the Masters coming up, but he is playing Pebble Beach this week and those Poa Anna greens do not seem like the best venue to work out putting woes. So, does he have a problem, or is it like JT said and it's nothing to be worried about. I seem to recall them (Nobilo?) talking about his putting stats a couple weeks ago and I can't remember the exact details, but the point was he was not a great short putter ( 1 Quote Driver: Tour B JGR 9.5* Recoil 460ES cut to 45" 3W: Tour B JGR 15* Recoil 460ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-PW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 AW: S5 52* SW: 588 LW: MD3 Putter: Stroke Lab Marxman Bag: Tour B Stand Bag Ball: Z-Star Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Tester Starting Driver Speed on PRGR Monitor: 102 mph Final Driver Speed (end of Level 2): 120 mph Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 12,738 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 How many tournaments has he played in this year? 2? 3? A little hard to start drawing any firm conclusions based on the limited data. 4 Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X ZU85 18* Tour AD 95X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-9 Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 46F - 54S - 59D ER2 Tour B X Link to post Share on other sites
GolfJunkie302 2,232 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 He doesn't have the yips, just not a great start to 2018. Remember, the season only just started. He has a lot of time to turn things around. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk 2 Quote 2017 M1 460, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 JPX EZ 3 wood Fly-Z 4H MP-60, 3i-PW, True Temper Dynamic Gold S5 54° & 58°, True Temper Dynamic Gold California Monterey Pro V1x Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny B 23,197 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Yes, he has only played in 3 tournaments; but that's 10 rounds of golf. I can understand Spieth having a slow start, maybe a bad round or two. But a pro of his caliber should be able to put together a decent round now and then. He is at the bottom of the tour, but I guess one can say he can only get better. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
Kor.A.Door 5,838 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I wouldn't say he has the yips, but there is something definitely wrong with his putting at the moment. The stats clearly show that. It will be interesting to see when he gets it figured out, could be a long couple months for him. 1 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 14,630 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I think Jordan is a streaky putter inside if 10 feet and a fantastic lag putter. I think people think he is a great putter due to the video where they show his 0'd out puttlab stroke. All your pros are good putters, he just doesn't convert the 10 footers at the rate of the exceptional putters. I'd also be interested in proximity to hole numbers to see how close he is hitting it to the hole. Too early in the season to worry about those rankings, not sure there enough data to compare last year and this year. 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: Ten S Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,071 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Spieth is the Phil of today A great iron player who everyone thinks is a great putter when he's not - in fact he is a below average short putter. Very good if not great mid ranged putter. I would wait a while, like until after the Masters - to become overly concerned about his putting. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy 4 Quote Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood G30 6-PW - Aerotech FT 500 shafts SCOR 48,52,56,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Link to post Share on other sites
Shankster 25,559 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Anyone that compares these “new age†golfers to anyone of the past is tarnishing the name of golf. Most recently the Seve / Spieth comparisons. It drives me nuts. None of these guys could play with the equipment that Hogan, Arnie, Seve, Jack played with and anywhere near the result they are having with this MOI and 460cc crap. I'm sorry but I'd take Seve in 100/100 over Jordan within 100 yards of the green. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickp 20,643 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He doesn't have the yips, just not a great start to 2018. Remember, the season only just started. He has a lot of time to turn things around. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk GJ302 I agree with your assessment. There's still a lot of Tournaments and all the Majors to go. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Rick Left Hand, Driver; Titleist TSi2, Kuro Kage 50 gr R2 5 Wood; Cally Steelhead 5 Hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous Vista Pro R2 Irons; Ping G710 6-GW, Recoil 460 R2 Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to post Share on other sites
jlukes 12,738 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Anyone that compares these “new age†golfers to anyone of the past is tarnishing the name of golf. Most recently the Seve / Spieth comparisons. It drives me nuts. None of these guys could play with the equipment that Hogan, Arnie, Seve, Jack played with and anywhere near the result they are having with this MOI and 460cc crap. I'm sorry but I'd take Seve in 100/100 over Jordan within 100 yards of the green. I love your appreciation of the history of golf, but this is really baseless. How do you know what the guys of today would do with different equipment? Different eras, different play styles, and so many other different variables. And this just isn't with golf - it's all sports. I think it's fun to compare guys across eras, but making blanket statements about who is better just doesn't hold any water. 5 Quote In my BR-D4 Stand Bag G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X ZU85 18* Tour AD 95X 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X JPX 919 Tour 5-9 Oban CT 115 X(-) Vokey SM7 46F - 54S - 59D ER2 Tour B X Link to post Share on other sites
Shankster 25,559 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It is unfair to compare the history to these guys. It does hold water, because Seve is the one they compare short game too. Next it will be Phil. None of these guys are near as impressive as Seve, or Phil for that matter. Let's compare a semi truck to a Mini Cooper. That's the driver analogy. I could go on, but I'm sure it's baseless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brian A 1,005 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He's clearly off but it was only one tourny Quote Driver: TS 2, Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff 9.5* Setting, A2 Fairway Wood: G30 Stiff Shaft Hybrid: TS2 19* Hzrdus Smoke Black Stiff shaft Irons: 718 AP1 (4-PW) AMT Red Stiff Shafts Wedges: RTX4 52* 56* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny B 23,197 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 I think Jordan is a streaky putter inside if 10 feet and a fantastic lag putter. I think people think he is a great putter due to the video where they show his 0'd out puttlab stroke. All your pros are good putters, he just doesn't convert the 10 footers at the rate of the exceptional putters. I'd also be interested in proximity to hole numbers to see how close he is hitting it to the hole. Too early in the season to worry about those rankings, not sure there enough data to compare last year and this year. I am a Jordan Spieth fan. I know some people don't like him, but he is definitely talented. However, I am worried that something is up with his putting stroke. I know it's early in his season, but it's also early in other pros' seasons too. He hasn't been this poor of a putter since he turned pro. Something is up; I can feel it. Yes, he has been streaky... from all distances. He is #1 in GIR, and he is #19 in average distance from the hole at 35 feet. But he is #202 in total putting. That ain't right!! Everyone says he is great from middle distance 15-25 feet (and he has been), but this year so far, he is #129 from 15-20 feet, and has only made 1 putt from 20-25 feet. How about If he is working on his putting issues and I'm sure he is, I'm not sure that playing at the ATT Pebble Beach is going to help him. Those greens are difficult to putt, especially late in the day. I know he has done well there, but not with a putting stroke that he doesn't feel comfortable with. I hope he proves me wrong and does well, but if he misses the cut because of his putting, I don't give him much of a chance at the Masters. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
cnosil 14,630 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I am a Jordan Spieth fan. I know some people don't like him, but he is definitely talented. However, I am worried that something is up with his putting stroke. I know it's early in his season, but it's also early in other pros' seasons too. He hasn't been this poor of a putter since he turned pro. Something is up; I can feel it. Yes, he has been streaky... from all distances. He is #1 in GIR, and he is #19 in average distance from the hole at 35 feet. But he is #202 in total putting. That ain't right!! Everyone says he is great from middle distance 15-25 feet (and he has been), but this year so far, he is #129 from 15-20 feet, and has only made 1 putt from 20-25 feet. How about If he is working on his putting issues and I'm sure he is, I'm not sure that playing at the ATT Pebble Beach is going to help him. Those greens are difficult to putt, especially late in the day. I know he has done well there, but not with a putting stroke that he doesn't feel comfortable with. I hope he proves me wrong and does well, but if he misses the cut because of his putting, I don't give him much of a chance at the Masters. Yes his numbers are off from last year. I still would say there aren't enough numbers to compare to last year. He has played in 4 of 14 events. A poor day or 2 will make the numbers jump significantly. Looking at overall performance you can see players rising or falling 50+ spots. That won't happen as the numbers become statistically meaningful. Maybe there is something going on, but I still think it is too early to evaluate stats for overall performance Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* set to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 588 54-14, 58-12 Putter: Ten S Backups: 6330, ER2.2, Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to post Share on other sites
fraasty 109 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He got engaged and now he can't putt. I'm married and can't putt either dang women! It's all their fault I'm sure of it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reesedw 2,456 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's gotta be women. I can't putt that great either. .. lol. But I can skull shots and slice like a mother.. lol.. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk 2 Quote Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Cobra F8+ Driver Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedges 54* and 58* versatile grind Snake eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to post Share on other sites
lou mcconaughey 172 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 All I know is the man has to putt on poa greens this week and they will magnify any problems he MIGHT have. He's still a young pup Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony@CIC 16,773 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 He got engaged and now he can't putt. I'm married and can't putt either dang women! It's all their fault I'm sure of it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Never tied those two together. Will have to give the bad news to my wife. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Quote Left Hand orientation G410 SFT driver Cobra King F-9 5 wood 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter NX9-HD - 4 Wheel - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Snell MTB-X 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,071 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 It is unfair to compare the history to these guys. It does hold water, because Seve is the one they compare short game too. Next it will be Phil. None of these guys are near as impressive as Seve, or Phil for that matter. Let's compare a semi truck to a Mini Cooper. That's the driver analogy. I could go on, but I'm sure it's baseless. I would respectfully disagree - Spieth's short game and Phil's are extremely comparable. In fact their games are comparable across the board with Phil being a bit longer (relatively speaking) and Spieth the better putter. Spieth is way ahead of Phil at this point. Seve had a remarkable short game beyond a doubt. For my money Tiger had the best short game of anyone whom I ever saw. And I saw Seve and Phil - live and on TV. I'd be careful of absolutes. It's very hard to say how any player would fare in a different era. It's like saying I would have been a great Revolutionary War figure. Not likely - I had measles - I wouldn't have made it out of childhood. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Ping G410 - set at 12 degrees, fade setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood G30 6-PW - Aerotech FT 500 shafts SCOR 48,52,56,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Link to post Share on other sites
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