null Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 This has been bothering me for awhile now... Cleveland: Flexing Body = Good Callaway: Flexing Body = Bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson153 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I guess it's like all drivers these days claiming to gain you 10-15 yds. It were all true I would be driving it 350 by now. Just another sales pitch IMO. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy CobraConnectChallenge3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STUDque Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Maybe it's two different ways to get a similar benefit for two different types of golfers. They're not both saying you'll hit it 300+ yards. It's just relative to the target golfer. ie. Bouncy face helps slow swing speeds and Stiff face helps fast swing speeds. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Maybe it's two different ways to get a similar benefit for two different types of golfers. They're not both saying you'll hit it 300+ yards. It's just relative to the target golfer. ie. Bouncy face helps slow swing speeds and Stiff face helps fast swing speeds. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy But neither are marketed like that. And Jame Sadlowski (of former long drive fame) is gaming the Launcher HB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 We've been down those road with other products - technologies. Sometimes the claims are lost on me, other times I say, BS. I've always though Srixon's claim that a tour ball might hurt players was BS, I still do. I don't know what to think here. I do know that I tend to hit certain brands of drivers better than others. I'm sure it's because their theory fits my swing. I have never met a Callaway or Cobra driver that I hit well. That's just me though. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLBMW Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 The same can be said with feel. Take Titleist's Active Recoil Channel vs Nike's Compression Channel. The 915 flexes at impact, providing softer feel. While the Nike Channel doesn't flex as much, thereby giving it harsher feel and sound. Both are intended to reduce yardage lost on mishits, but majority agree the Titleist is better in many facets. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy WITB 2021 Driver: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 9* w/ C.Kua Stiff FW: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 15* w/ C.Kua Stiff HY: Cleveland Launcher Halo 19* w/ C.Kua Stiff Irons: Titleist 716 AP1 4-PW w/ KBS 90 Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM8 50*, 54*, & 60^ Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Laguna 2 OR OG Futura Ball: ProV1/V1x OR Chrome Soft TT Bag: Sun Mountain 2019 4.5 14way carry Clothes: Nike OR Under Armour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 HiBore crown lets the crown of the driver flex. Jailbreak keeps the face of the driver stiff. It's a small differentiation, but to me it seems like they are two different things, one is about the face and one is about the crown. I'd also say, especially with golf, there are multiple ways to get to the same point. Also like Rev mentioned some types of technology will be better for certain golfers. Look at CG locations within drivers as an example. When SLDR came out TM said low and forward was the best thing. At the same time Ping keeps pushing it low and rearward. Completely different messages and yet both successful. One works better for some guys, one works better for other guys. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 HiBore crown lets the crown of the driver flex. Jailbreak keeps the face of the driver stiff. It's a small differentiation, but to me it seems like they are two different things, one is about the face and one is about the crown. I'd also say, especially with golf, there are multiple ways to get to the same point. Also like Rev mentioned some types of technology will be better for certain golfers. Look at CG locations within drivers as an example. When SLDR came out TM said low and forward was the best thing. At the same time Ping keeps pushing it low and rearward. Completely different messages and yet both successful. One works better for some guys, one works better for other guys. the jailbreak is connected to the crown and sole, stabilizing the crown and sole so it doesn't flex, thus, in theory, keeping energy transfer at the face - it doesn't make the face stiffer, it makes the rest of the club that supports the face stiffer. "at impact, jailbreak keeps the crown and sole from bulging" https://youtu.be/95JBK1FjMtc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 It's marketing Joe. If there is one thing about golf, there is no standard. There are rules, but no standard. 2 things in the same category can be worlds apart, just like you've said here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 When I was 18, I could carry my GBB driver 270 with a Titleist Professional 90 ball. Now that I'm 36, I hit my Titleist 913 270 with a Vice Pro Plus. What's changed? The ball. Better ball technology has given us distance. Driver technology hit its climax when COR rules were challenged and sustained with the R500 series. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 When I was 18, I could carry my GBB driver 270 with a Titleist Professional 90 ball. Now that I'm 36, I hit my Titleist 913 270 with a Vice Pro Plus. What's changed? The ball. Better ball technology has given us distance. Driver technology hit its climax when COR rules were challenged and sustained with the R500 series. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I think that's an over-generalization to place all the distance on the ball. Shafts have vastly improved and become more stable. Balls have definitely improved. Perhaps you're in better shape than you were at 18. Distance is a funny thing...what you say you hit versus what you actually hit is usually off by 10% among amateurs. Your swing may have changed since you were 18. There's a lot of variables that come into play when discussing driver distance over a span of two decades. Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 Back on topic - we have two conflicting theories: Stable Crown/chasis = more ball speed Flexible Crown/chasis = more ball speed Can both be right? I assume they could, but it would be an interesting head to head test. Obviously shaft type and length would need to be neutralized in order to eliminate as many variables as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 I think that's an over-generalization to place all the distance on the ball. Shafts have vastly improved and become more stable. Balls have definitely improved. Perhaps you're in better shape than you were at 18. Distance is a funny thing...what you say you hit versus what you actually hit is usually off by 10% among amateurs. Your swing may have changed since you were 18. There's a lot of variables that come into play when discussing driver distance over a span of two decades. I am shaped much differently than I was in high school It's definitely a generalization but the overwhelming theme is that if you tested new drivers with a ball from 18 years ago vs a GBB hitting current ProV1's or take your pick, the new ball would clearly win. Titleist 913D3 8.5 Whiteboard X Titleist 904F GD YS-7 S PING i5 3-7 green 8-P blue ZZ65 Mizuno T-7 52 Cleveland 588 RTX 58 PING Anser 2 Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Maybe someone should start a driver company that incorporates all the technology from each company into one new "loaded" driver each year. Why settle for one or two innovations or technologies when one club has it all? The driver for 2018 would have a thin flex face, flex crown, bars behind the face, active recoil channel, CNC forged & milled face, pear shape, high MOI, turbulators, adjustable loft and weighting, faster, carbon fiber, tungsten, smart pad, graphics, colors, light weight, workability, forgiving, longest distances ever, and great sound. When I buy a car I get one that's loaded. If it's that good I want it all. Don't you? My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bens197 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Maybe someone should start a driver company that incorporates all the technology from each company into one new "loaded" driver each year. Why settle for one or two innovations or technologies when one club has it all? The driver for 2018 would have a thin flex face, flex crown, bars behind the face, active recoil channel, CNC forged & milled face, pear shape, high MOI, turbulators, adjustable loft and weighting, faster, carbon fiber, tungsten, smart pad, graphics, colors, light weight, workability, forgiving, longest distances ever, and great sound. When I buy a car I get one that's loaded. If it's that good I want it all. Don't you? All that is simple. The tough part is what the heck would you call it??? Titleist 913D3 8.5 Whiteboard X Titleist 904F GD YS-7 S PING i5 3-7 green 8-P blue ZZ65 Mizuno T-7 52 Cleveland 588 RTX 58 PING Anser 2 Titleist TSi3 Fujikura Speeder NX Blue 60X TaylorMade SIM2 3 wood Fujilkura Ventus Blue 7-X Titleist U505 2 Tensei 1K Black 85 X Titleist T100 4-P Nippon Modus 3 120X PING S159 50-S 55-H 59-T DG X100 Vokey SM8 50, SM9 54 & 60 Nippon Modus 3 120s L.A.B. MEZZ Max Broom Accra 47" 79.5* Srixon Z-Star XV Currently testing the 2024 PING S159 wedges… https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/63483-testers-announced-ping-s159-wedges/ Was testing, still loving the 2023 Titleist T100 Irons 4-P https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/60456-titleist-t-series-irons-2023-forum-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Maybe someone should start a driver company that incorporates all the technology from each company into one new "loaded" driver each year. Why settle for one or two innovations or technologies when one club has it all? The driver for 2018 would have a thin flex face, flex crown, bars behind the face, active recoil channel, CNC forged & milled face, pear shape, high MOI, turbulators, adjustable loft and weighting, faster, carbon fiber, tungsten, smart pad, graphics, colors, light weight, workability, forgiving, longest distances ever, and great sound. When I buy a car I get one that's loaded. If it's that good I want it all. Don't you? I didn't see where they put the twist face on it. So I'll tale next years model with the twist face Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bags Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Maybe it's two different ways to get a similar benefit for two different types of golfers. They're not both saying you'll hit it 300+ yards. It's just relative to the target golfer. ie. Bouncy face helps slow swing speeds and Stiff face helps fast swing speeds. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy nope claims extra 500 yards lol Bags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 This might help a little. Our Srixon/Cleveland rep was in today and the new launcher driver has what are called “flex fins.†Supposedly, they are designed to trap energy that normally would go all the way back to the rear of the driver and keep it forward next to the face. They are just two means to the same end. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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