Two Products w/ Opposite Technologies Claiming Same Improvement

[null]

This has been bothering me for awhile now... 

 

 

 

Cleveland: Flexing Body = Good

Callaway: Flexing Body = Bad

[robertson153]

I guess it's like all drivers these days claiming to gain you 10-15 yds. It were all true I would be driving it 350 by now. Just another sales pitch IMO.

 

 

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[STUDque]

Maybe it's two different ways to get a similar benefit for two different types of golfers. They're not both saying you'll hit it 300+ yards. It's just relative to the target golfer.

 

ie. Bouncy face helps slow swing speeds and Stiff face helps fast swing speeds.

 

 

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[null]

Maybe it's two different ways to get a similar benefit for two different types of golfers. They're not both saying you'll hit it 300+ yards. It's just relative to the target golfer.

 

ie. Bouncy face helps slow swing speeds and Stiff face helps fast swing speeds.

 

 

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But neither are marketed like that.

 

And Jame Sadlowski (of former long drive fame) is gaming the Launcher HB

[revkev]

We've been down those road with other products - technologies. Sometimes the claims are lost on me, other times I say, BS. I've always though Srixon's claim that a tour ball might hurt players was BS, I still do.

 

I don't know what to think here.

 

I do know that I tend to hit certain brands of drivers better than others. I'm sure it's because their theory fits my swing.

 

I have never met a Callaway or Cobra driver that I hit well. That's just me though.

 

 

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[AWLBMW]

The same can be said with feel. Take Titleist's Active Recoil Channel vs Nike's Compression Channel. The 915 flexes at impact, providing softer feel. While the Nike Channel doesn't flex as much, thereby giving it harsher feel and sound. Both are intended to reduce yardage lost on mishits, but majority agree the Titleist is better in many facets.

 

 

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[hckymeyer]

HiBore crown lets the crown of the driver flex.  Jailbreak keeps the face of the driver stiff.

 

It's a small differentiation, but to me it seems like they are two different things, one is about the face and one is about the crown.

 

I'd also say, especially with golf, there are multiple ways to get to the same point.  Also like Rev mentioned some types of technology will be better for certain golfers.  Look at CG locations within drivers as an example.  When SLDR came out TM said low and forward was the best thing.  At the same time Ping keeps pushing it low and rearward.  Completely different messages and yet both successful.  One works better for some guys, one works better for other guys.

[null]

HiBore crown lets the crown of the driver flex. Jailbreak keeps the face of the driver stiff.

 

It's a small differentiation, but to me it seems like they are two different things, one is about the face and one is about the crown.

 

I'd also say, especially with golf, there are multiple ways to get to the same point. Also like Rev mentioned some types of technology will be better for certain golfers. Look at CG locations within drivers as an example. When SLDR came out TM said low and forward was the best thing. At the same time Ping keeps pushing it low and rearward. Completely different messages and yet both successful. One works better for some guys, one works better for other guys.

the jailbreak is connected to the crown and sole, stabilizing the crown and sole so it doesn't flex, thus, in theory, keeping energy transfer at the face - it doesn't make the face stiffer, it makes the rest of the club that supports the face stiffer.

 

"at impact, jailbreak keeps the crown and sole from bulging"

 

https://youtu.be/95JBK1FjMtc

[Shankster]

It's marketing Joe. If there is one thing about golf, there is no standard. There are rules, but no standard. 2 things in the same category can be worlds apart, just like you've said here.

[bens197]

When I was 18, I could carry my GBB driver 270 with a Titleist Professional 90 ball. Now that I'm 36, I hit my Titleist 913 270 with a Vice Pro Plus. What's changed? The ball. Better ball technology has given us distance. Driver technology hit its climax when COR rules were challenged and sustained with the R500 series.

 

 

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[txgolfjunkie]

When I was 18, I could carry my GBB driver 270 with a Titleist Professional 90 ball. Now that I'm 36, I hit my Titleist 913 270 with a Vice Pro Plus. What's changed? The ball. Better ball technology has given us distance. Driver technology hit its climax when COR rules were challenged and sustained with the R500 series.

 

 

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I think that's an over-generalization to place all the distance on the ball. 

 

Shafts have vastly improved and become more stable.

Balls have definitely improved.

Perhaps you're in better shape than you were at 18. 

Distance is a funny thing...what you say you hit versus what you actually hit is usually off by 10% among amateurs. 

Your swing may have changed since you were 18. 

 

There's a lot of variables that come into play when discussing driver distance over a span of two decades. 

[null]

Back on topic - we have two conflicting theories:

 

Stable Crown/chasis = more ball speed

Flexible Crown/chasis = more ball speed

 

Can both be right?  I assume they could, but it would be an interesting head to head test.  Obviously shaft type and length would need to be neutralized in order to eliminate as many variables as possible.

[bens197]

I think that's an over-generalization to place all the distance on the ball.

 

Shafts have vastly improved and become more stable.

Balls have definitely improved.

Perhaps you're in better shape than you were at 18.

Distance is a funny thing...what you say you hit versus what you actually hit is usually off by 10% among amateurs.

Your swing may have changed since you were 18.

 

There's a lot of variables that come into play when discussing driver distance over a span of two decades.

I am shaped much differently than I was in high school

 

It's definitely a generalization but the overwhelming theme is that if you tested new drivers with a ball from 18 years ago vs a GBB hitting current ProV1's or take your pick, the new ball would clearly win.

 

 

Titleist 913D3 8.5 Whiteboard X

Titleist 904F GD YS-7 S

PING i5 3-7 green 8-P blue ZZ65

Mizuno T-7 52

Cleveland 588 RTX 58

PING Anser 2

[PlaidJacket]

Maybe someone should start a driver company that incorporates all the technology from each company into one new "loaded" driver each year. Why settle for one or two innovations or technologies when one club has it all?

 

The driver for 2018 would have a thin flex face, flex crown, bars behind the face, active recoil channel, CNC forged & milled face, pear shape, high MOI, turbulators, adjustable loft and weighting, faster, carbon fiber, tungsten, smart pad, graphics, colors, light weight, workability, forgiving, longest distances ever, and great sound.

 

When I buy a car I get one that's loaded. If it's that good I want it all. Don't you?

[bens197]

Maybe someone should start a driver company that incorporates all the technology from each company into one new "loaded" driver each year. Why settle for one or two innovations or technologies when one club has it all?

 

The driver for 2018 would have a thin flex face, flex crown, bars behind the face, active recoil channel, CNC forged & milled face, pear shape, high MOI, turbulators, adjustable loft and weighting, faster, carbon fiber, tungsten, smart pad, graphics, colors, light weight, workability, forgiving, longest distances ever, and great sound.

 

When I buy a car I get one that's loaded. If it's that good I want it all. Don't you?

All that is simple. The tough part is what the heck would you call it???

 

 

Titleist 913D3 8.5 Whiteboard X

Titleist 904F GD YS-7 S

PING i5 3-7 green 8-P blue ZZ65

Mizuno T-7 52

Cleveland 588 RTX 58

PING Anser 2

[Kor.A.Door]

Maybe someone should start a driver company that incorporates all the technology from each company into one new "loaded" driver each year. Why settle for one or two innovations or technologies when one club has it all?

 

The driver for 2018 would have a thin flex face, flex crown, bars behind the face, active recoil channel, CNC forged & milled face, pear shape, high MOI, turbulators, adjustable loft and weighting, faster, carbon fiber, tungsten, smart pad, graphics, colors, light weight, workability, forgiving, longest distances ever, and great sound.

 

When I buy a car I get one that's loaded. If it's that good I want it all. Don't you?

I didn't see where they put the twist face on it. So I'll tale next years model with the twist face

[Bags]

Maybe it's two different ways to get a similar benefit for two different types of golfers. They're not both saying you'll hit it 300+ yards. It's just relative to the target golfer.

 

ie. Bouncy face helps slow swing speeds and Stiff face helps fast swing speeds.

 

 

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nope claims extra 500 yards lol

 

 

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[Rtracymog]

This might help a little. Our Srixon/Cleveland rep was in today and the new launcher driver has what are called “flex fins.” Supposedly, they are designed to trap energy that normally would go all the way back to the rear of the driver and keep it forward next to the face. They are just two means to the same end.

 

 

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