Canucklehead Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Not sure what your issue is with it, but if you hit hooks like I did, a few pieces of lead tape on the toe may do the trick I had a real issue rope hooking my 3 hybrid so I got a used Cobra Utility iron for a good price and although I only got a few rounds in with it before the season ended, I'm not looking back. Will be looking for a 4 for this season if I can get a good deal on it. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk gaussman1 and fozcycle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 One more getting your mind right sort of thing. When I walk up to the ball I think to myself, I'm gonna crush this MF'r. If I say, well there's a chance I slice it or hook it guess what happens? Just walk up to the ball, say you are not my friend, and compress that little ball. Will yourself to smash it. It works. MaxEntropy and fozcycle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Not sure what your issue is with it, but if you hit hooks like I did, a few pieces of lead tape on the toe may do the trick I had a real issue rope hooking my 3 hybrid so I got a used Cobra Utility iron for a good price and although I only got a few rounds in with it before the season ended, I'm not looking back. Will be looking for a 4 for this season if I can get a good deal on it. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Many hybrids are not well designed for the better player. Their lie angles are too upright in order to accommodate the higher handicapper who tends to come over the top. A player who attacks from the inside will hit those clubs left all day long. I would love to see a hybrid lie angle chart that went from flattest to most upright in lie angle. If internal weighting was equal I believe those clubs could be charted as most fade bias to most draw bias as well fozcycle and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Many hybrids are not well designed for the better player. Their lie angles are too upright in order to accommodate the higher handicapper who tends to come over the top. A player who attacks from the inside will hit those clubs left all day long. I would love to see a hybrid lie angle chart that went from flattest to most upright in lie angle. If internal weighting was equal I believe those clubs could be charted as most fade bias to most draw bias as well My irons are 2* flat, so you can imagine how most hybrids feel for me. I have to address the ball with my hands unnaturally high. But, I still hit them better than long irons, so they stay in the bag. I'd love to get some built for me. One day... cksurfdude and fozcycle 2 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehuti Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I too used to hate my hybrids, until I got ones that looked like irons, now it's a love affair. I struggle with my hybrids. Which ones do you play that look like irons? I may have to try them. fozcycle 1 Quote PXG 0211 12° driver w/Project X Cypher R flex shaft KE4 TC 16° 4 wood w/Kuro Kage Black 60g shaft KE4 TC HyWay 21° utilitywood w/Maltby MPF shaft KE4 TC 22° 4 hybrid w/UST Proforce V2 Black shaft KE4 TC 25° 5 hybrid w/Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue shaft Lazrus 27° 6 hybrid w/Lazrus graphite shaft PXG 0211DC irons 7-PW w/Project X Cypher graphite shafts CBX2 50° wedge M-Series+ 56° wedge w/UST Recoil 660 graphite shaft Infinite Bean putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I must be rare in that I have both a hybrid and DI in my bag. I have and Epic/Apex UT combo in one bag and a Titleist 818H2/712u in my other bag. For me it is different shots for each but get along well with both. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cksurfdude 1 Quote WITB 2024 Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60g 6.5 M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Sim Ti 22* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Sim2 Rescue 22* Diamana Thump 100x X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFrazier Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I have a 19* Epic hybrid and love it. Get about 235 yards with it which fits right in between my 3 wood and 4 iron. Easy to fade/draw and works great around the greens... I hit other hybrids horribly before I got the Epic. I urge you to keep looking for one that suits your game! Good luck! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver- Callaway GBB Epic 9.5 Aldila Rouge Max 75X 3 Wood- Callaway GBB Epic 15 Aldila Rouge Max 85X Hybrid- Callaway GBB Epic 19 UST Recoil F4 Irons- Callaway CF Apex 16' 4-PW S300 Wedges- Titleist SM6 GW/SW/LW S300 Putter- Ping Anser Sigma G w/ Superstroke Pistol GT 2.0 Ball- Bridgestone B330/ TaylorMade TP4/ Titleist ProV1 Grips- Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 Grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I have a 19* Epic hybrid and love it. Get about 235 yards with it which fits right in between my 3 wood and 4 iron. Easy to fade/draw and works great around the greens... I hit other hybrids horribly before I got the Epic. I urge you to keep looking for one that suits your game! Good luck! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Love my Epic. Was not a huge fan of the Recoil shaft but it is a winner with the ADDI 95x. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote WITB 2024 Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60g 6.5 M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Sim Ti 22* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Sim2 Rescue 22* Diamana Thump 100x X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Love my Epic. Was not a huge fan of the Recoil shaft but it is a winner with the ADDI 95x. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy You hit the 818 h2? Will be at the top of my list to try if my Mizuno fli hi can't consistently cover the distance gap I need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miboy62 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I get along good with hybrids when I play them like an iron. Maybe try the Cobra one length hybrid Quote ZX5 MKII LS 8.5 Stealth 2 plus 3 wood Stealth 2 plus 5 wood Stealth 2 plus 19.5 Hybrid ZX5 MKll 5 / AW Dart stiff MG3 black 52 9b 58 12b 7.5 Phantom 34” Z Star Diamond 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 You hit the 818 h2? Will be at the top of my list to try if my Mizuno fli hi can't consistently cover the distance gap I need Yes, I own one with the Tensei white 90x. It is in my Titleist bag. Quote WITB 2024 Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60g 6.5 M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Sim Ti 22* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Sim2 Rescue 22* Diamana Thump 100x X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Many hybrids are not well designed for the better player. Their lie angles are too upright in order to accommodate the higher handicapper who tends to come over the top.I have to call BS on this. I don't believe there is a correlation between your lie and handicap. Thanks for providing my next golf spy question. I bought a 3-4 Cobra F7 based on the most wanted results. I may just be lucky but the fujikura pro75h and those rails produce killer shots for this high handicapper. I started in the neutral position and hit good shots then moved it to 19.5D for gapping purposes and still hit it well. Goes 210-200 for me. McaseyM and cksurfdude 2 Quote Krank Formula X Veylix Alpina 573 45" 9* CBX 3 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 43" 15* Krank Formula X 5 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 42" 18* Wishon Golf 775HS 3H Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid X-Flex 39.75" 21* Wishon Golf 585HI 3DI same shaft as irons 38.25" 21* Wishon Golf 575 MMC Forged 5-A N.S.Pro Modus 3 Tour 120X Wishon Golf Micro-Groove HM S, L same shaft as irons ER7B Gravity Grip 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipper554 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I carry a Ping G 4 hybrid. Sometimes I switch it out for a 4 iron. I like both but the hybrid is far more versatile, hits the ball nice and high and lands soft. Also very good around the greens for those little bump shots. I am more of a sweeper so that might have something to do with it, as I have no problem playing either. AWLBMW 1 Quote Driver: Cobra F8 Tour length 3W: Cobra King F7 3/4 Wood 5W: Cobra King F7 5/6 Wood Hybrid 3/4: Cobra F7 20.5* Irons: 5 to PW Taylormade P790 A Wedge: 48* Vokey SM6 F grind S Wedge: 54* Vokey SM6 M grind L Wedge: 58* Vokey SM6 M grind Putter: Rife Two Bar Hybrid 35" P2 Aware Tour grip Ball: Taylormade TP 5X Bag: Hot Z Canadian flag 🇨🇦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I struggle with my hybrids. Which ones do you play that look like irons? I may have to try them. I play these: https://www.golfworks.com/maltby-ke4-tour-hdi-hybrids/p/MA0238/ But I have the 3, 4 and 5. They've discontinued them and only have the 5 available now. You could look at the new Cobra ones which are very similar. fozcycle 1 Quote In the bag: Driver: TSR2 Project X HZRDUS Black 5.5 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Alpha Convoy 514 Balls: Chrome Soft X Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWLBMW Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Used to carry 3 and 4 hybrid (both xr). Now I just carry a ping g30 19* w/ tour shaft. It has made me focus on hitting 4 iron better, though not always perfect. You could carry as many hybrids as you want. Look at various LPGA players, They play what works for them, in conjunction with their distance gapping, which is a priority. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cksurfdude 1 Quote WITB 2021 Driver: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 9* w/ C.Kua Stiff FW: Cleveland Launcher HB Turbo 15* w/ C.Kua Stiff HY: Cleveland Launcher Halo 19* w/ C.Kua Stiff Irons: Titleist 716 AP1 4-PW w/ KBS 90 Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM8 50*, 54*, & 60^ Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Laguna 2 OR OG Futura Ball: ProV1/V1x OR Chrome Soft TT Bag: Sun Mountain 2019 4.5 14way carry Clothes: Nike OR Under Armour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I have to call BS on this. I don't believe there is a correlation between your lie and handicap. Thanks for providing my next golf spy question. I bought a 3-4 Cobra F7 based on the most wanted results. I may just be lucky but the fujikura pro75h and those rails produce killer shots for this high handicapper. I started in the neutral position and hit good shots then moved it to 19.5D for gapping purposes and still hit it well. Goes 210-200 for me. What part is BS? I think it's an accurate statement that most hybrids are hook-prone for a player who swings from the inside and it is true that flatter lie angles would match up better for that player. Also true that hybrid lie angles are not easily adjustable, and that these clubs have been manufactured largely for a player who struggles with the sweeping motion necessary for good long iron or fairway wood play. Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charli Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 When people say they are ditching a hybrid that hurts my heart. I find it one of the easiest clubs to hit. I play with a callaway apex and I like when yardage brings that into play. Hell I even choke down sometimes to use it more. Maybe a couple lessons will be a simple enough fix for you to enjoy them AWLBMW and cksurfdude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehuti Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I play these: https://www.golfworks.com/maltby-ke4-tour-hdi-hybrids/p/MA0238/ But I have the 3, 4 and 5. They've discontinued them and only have the 5 available now. You could look at the new Cobra ones which are very similar. Too bad. I would pull the trigger on the 3 TODAY if it was available, and ditch my current 3h. MattF 1 Quote PXG 0211 12° driver w/Project X Cypher R flex shaft KE4 TC 16° 4 wood w/Kuro Kage Black 60g shaft KE4 TC HyWay 21° utilitywood w/Maltby MPF shaft KE4 TC 22° 4 hybrid w/UST Proforce V2 Black shaft KE4 TC 25° 5 hybrid w/Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue shaft Lazrus 27° 6 hybrid w/Lazrus graphite shaft PXG 0211DC irons 7-PW w/Project X Cypher graphite shafts CBX2 50° wedge M-Series+ 56° wedge w/UST Recoil 660 graphite shaft Infinite Bean putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I get along good with hybrids when I play them like an iron. Maybe try the Cobra one length hybrid Hit one of them a week ago, hell of a club. Thinking of adding it to the bag. Plus, its shorter length makes it an ideal bump n run club in my mind. Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 What part is BS? That there is a correlation between positive lie angles and high handicap players. Or the inverse, that there is a correlation between a low handicap game and negative lie angles in a player. Quote Krank Formula X Veylix Alpina 573 45" 9* CBX 3 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 43" 15* Krank Formula X 5 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 42" 18* Wishon Golf 775HS 3H Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid X-Flex 39.75" 21* Wishon Golf 585HI 3DI same shaft as irons 38.25" 21* Wishon Golf 575 MMC Forged 5-A N.S.Pro Modus 3 Tour 120X Wishon Golf Micro-Groove HM S, L same shaft as irons ER7B Gravity Grip 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 That there is a correlation between positive lie angles and high handicap players. Or the inverse, that there is a correlation between a low handicap game and negative lie angles in a player. I'm not talking trash about someone's game, that's how the OEMs have made them. Tour heads or "players" versions are definitely manufactured flatter lie and to be less draw biased because that player already comes from the inside and isn't looking for help turning the ball over. GI and SGI stuff is definitely manufactured more upright to fit that player better. Take TaylorMade for example- the new M3 Rescue (smaller, more compact head) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 59° and 21° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 59.5°. The M4 Rescue (larger head, more draw weighting) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 60° and 22° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 60.5°. What they call their better player's hybrids are all 1 degree flatter than the GI counterparts ole gray 1 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm not talking trash about someone's game, that's how the OEMs have made them. Tour heads or "players" versions are definitely manufactured flatter lie and to be less draw biased because that player already comes from the inside and isn't looking for help turning the ball over. GI and SGI stuff is definitely manufactured more upright to fit that player better. Take TaylorMade for example- the new M3 Rescue (smaller, more compact head) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 59° and 21° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 59.5°. The M4 Rescue (larger head, more draw weighting) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 60° and 22° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 60.5°. What they call their better player's hybrids are all 1 degree flatter than the GI counterparts Very interesting! So a “Tour†head with the proper shaft could possibly help a mid capper who fights too much left in his game? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy fozcycle 1 Quote Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm not talking trash about someone's game, It's all good, and I'm not picking a fight over it either. Naturally as club length gets shorter Lies increase as well. I still don't think a lie angle dictates how good you are. gaussman1 1 Quote Krank Formula X Veylix Alpina 573 45" 9* CBX 3 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 43" 15* Krank Formula X 5 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 42" 18* Wishon Golf 775HS 3H Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid X-Flex 39.75" 21* Wishon Golf 585HI 3DI same shaft as irons 38.25" 21* Wishon Golf 575 MMC Forged 5-A N.S.Pro Modus 3 Tour 120X Wishon Golf Micro-Groove HM S, L same shaft as irons ER7B Gravity Grip 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Very interesting! So a “Tour†head with the proper shaft could possibly help a mid capper who fights too much left in his game? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Yes! Or you can just weaken your grip. fozcycle and ole gray 2 Quote Krank Formula X Veylix Alpina 573 45" 9* CBX 3 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 43" 15* Krank Formula X 5 Wood Matrix HD Radix S VIII 42" 18* Wishon Golf 775HS 3H Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid X-Flex 39.75" 21* Wishon Golf 585HI 3DI same shaft as irons 38.25" 21* Wishon Golf 575 MMC Forged 5-A N.S.Pro Modus 3 Tour 120X Wishon Golf Micro-Groove HM S, L same shaft as irons ER7B Gravity Grip 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Yes! Or you can just weaken your grip. Yea the weaken grip helps when I want to cut the ball. I didn't realize the lie angle was flatter on "pro or player" type hybrids. I have a 2 hybrid I hit much more consistent than it do with my 3 & 4. The 2 hybrid says tour on the bottom... fozcycle 1 Quote Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Not sure how you can correlate lie angle to player ability. Clubs are fit to the player. If a club is too upright when the player takes his stance the toe will come off the ground and close the face making pulls more likely. Too flat and the heel comes up and the face points right. There is no standard for lie angles from club model to club model much less from manufacturer to manufacturer. See this demonstration, when a player lowers and raises the handle to setup to the ball. The lie angle doesn't change, just how the club is positioned https://www.instagram.com/p/BfIvm8jF0iz/ Speaking in generalities I would say the draw bias if hybrids is more related to the head design to counter the fade most players have with longer irons. From what I remember when looking at hybrids a while ago most had a closed face angle. As hybrids have become more popular you are seeing more models with a square face. Slap and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McaseyM Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I picked up the Cobra F7 3/4 hybrid last summer and while the Fujikura pro 75X hybrid shaft was very good, the KBS Proto S+ 95 is unreal for me. The cobra head and rails have been a life saver, i have it dialed down to 16.5, but can go up to 19.5 as needed. Once i get my fairway wood back under control, i'll probably move it up a bit to fill that gap. I used the hybrid it instead of my driver and fairway at times during my last 2 rounds and it was a beast. but as others have said, go with what works, be the 3i guy, you'll probably intimidate your playing partners cksurfdude 1 Quote What's in my bag: Driver : F9 10.5, Fujikura Speeder 757 TR Fairway F9 15.5° Aldila Rogue White 80X Hybrid: King F7 18° KBS Tour PROTO Hybrid 95 S+ Irons: z585 4i - 6i, z785 7i-PW, Nippon Modus 120X Wedges: CBX 50.11, 55.11, 60.10 TT DG S400 Black Putter: Honey Badger 34" Ball: Q-Star Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 Not sure how you can correlate lie angle to player ability. I'm not, but that's exactly what the OEMs do. Across the board they make what they describe as GI woods and hybrids longer, closed and more upright. They also recognize that has a left a hole in their sales so now have what they market as "player's" options that are shorter, sit flatter and more neutral faced. Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPattGolf Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 I'm sure this is well known but when you get fit for lie angle its for at impact. Not address. Any decent club fitter could careless if the club head it toe down or up at address as long as it is getting soled properly at impact Not sure how you can correlate lie angle to player ability. Clubs are fit to the player. If a club is too upright when the player takes his stance the toe will come off the ground and close the face making pulls more likely. Too flat and the heel comes up and the face points right. There is no standard for lie angles from club model to club model much less from manufacturer to manufacturer.See this demonstration, when a player lowers and raises the handle to setup to the ball. The lie angle doesn't change, just how the club is positionedhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BfIvm8jF0iz/Speaking in generalities I would say the draw bias if hybrids is more related to the head design to counter the fade most players have with longer irons. From what I remember when looking at hybrids a while ago most had a closed face angle. As hybrids have become more popular you are seeing more models with a square face. cksurfdude 1 Quote * Staff Professional* Driver: Stealth Plus+ (7.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 6X Tipped 1" 3 Wood: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1" Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5 4 Iron: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Wedges: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X Putter: Custom Black ER2 or Custom Black Del Monte Bag: FlexTech Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X #11 RangeFinder: R1 Smart Rangefinder Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'm sure this is well known but when you get fit for lie angle its for at impact. Not address. Any decent club fitter could careless if the club head it toe down or up at address as long as it is getting soled properly at impact Agree, but a ciubs stock lie angle is not based on handicap level. The discussion started with a statement that players type hybrids have a more upright lie angle and a non players is flatter and that most people don't adjust the lie angle of a hybrid. Given that scenario, based on that if the lie angle is too upright, they would most likely result in pull/pull hooks. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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