Ditching the Hybrid

[Jmikecpa 12,591]

You hit the 818 h2? Will be at the top of my list to try if my Mizuno fli hi can't consistently cover the distance gap I need

Yes, I own one with the Tensei white 90x. It is in my Titleist bag.

[Slap 103]

Many hybrids are not well designed for the better player. Their lie angles are too upright in order to accommodate the higher handicapper who tends to come over the top.

I have to call BS on this. I don't believe there is a correlation between your lie and handicap.

 

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I bought a 3-4 Cobra F7 based on the most wanted results. I may just be lucky but the fujikura pro75h and those rails produce killer shots for this high handicapper. I started in the neutral position and hit good shots then moved it to 19.5D for gapping purposes and still hit it well. Goes 210-200 for me.

[Flipper554 881]

I carry a Ping G 4 hybrid. Sometimes I switch it out for a 4 iron. I like both but the hybrid is far more versatile, hits the ball nice and high and lands soft. Also very good around the greens for those little bump shots. I am more of a sweeper so that might have something to do with it, as I have no problem playing either.

[MattF 9,917]

I struggle with my hybrids. Which ones do you play that look like irons? I may have to try them.

 

I play these: https://www.golfworks.com/maltby-ke4-tour-hdi-hybrids/p/MA0238/

 

But I have the 3, 4 and 5. They've discontinued them and only have the 5 available now. You could look at the new Cobra ones which are very similar.

[AWLBMW 97]

Used to carry 3 and 4 hybrid (both xr). Now I just carry a ping g30 19* w/ tour shaft. It has made me focus on hitting 4 iron better, though not always perfect.

 

You could carry as many hybrids as you want. Look at various LPGA players, They play what works for them, in conjunction with their distance gapping, which is a priority.

 

 

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[gaussman1 1,512]

I have to call BS on this. I don't believe there is a correlation between your lie and handicap.

 

Thanks for providing my next golf spy question.

 

I bought a 3-4 Cobra F7 based on the most wanted results. I may just be lucky but the fujikura pro75h and those rails produce killer shots for this high handicapper. I started in the neutral position and hit good shots then moved it to 19.5D for gapping purposes and still hit it well. Goes 210-200 for me.

What part is BS? I think it's an accurate statement that most hybrids are hook-prone for a player who swings from the inside and it is true that flatter lie angles would match up better for that player. Also true that hybrid lie angles are not easily adjustable, and that these clubs have been manufactured largely for a player who struggles with the sweeping motion necessary for good long iron or fairway wood play.

[Charli 913]

When people say they are ditching a hybrid that hurts my heart. I find it one of the easiest clubs to hit. I play with a callaway apex and I like when yardage brings that into play. Hell I even choke down sometimes to use it more. Maybe a couple lessons will be a simple enough fix for you to enjoy them

[tehuti 557]

I play these: https://www.golfworks.com/maltby-ke4-tour-hdi-hybrids/p/MA0238/

 

But I have the 3, 4 and 5. They've discontinued them and only have the 5 available now. You could look at the new Cobra ones which are very similar.

Too bad. I would pull the trigger on the 3 TODAY if it was available, and ditch my current 3h.

[Berg Ryman 3,871]

I get along good with hybrids when I play them like an iron.

Maybe try the Cobra one length hybrid

Hit one of them a week ago, hell of a club. Thinking of adding it to the bag. Plus, its shorter length makes it an ideal bump n run club in my mind.

[Slap 103]

What part is BS?

That there is a correlation between positive lie angles and high handicap players.

 

Or the inverse, that there is a correlation between a low handicap game and negative lie angles in a player.

[gaussman1 1,512]

That there is a correlation between positive lie angles and high handicap players.

 

Or the inverse, that there is a correlation between a low handicap game and negative lie angles in a player.

I'm not talking trash about someone's game, that's how the OEMs have made them. Tour heads or "players" versions are definitely manufactured flatter lie and to be less draw biased because that player already comes from the inside and isn't looking for help turning the ball over. GI and SGI stuff is definitely manufactured more upright to fit that player better.

Take TaylorMade for example- the new M3 Rescue (smaller, more compact head) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 59° and 21° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 59.5°.

The M4 Rescue (larger head, more draw weighting) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 60° and 22° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 60.5°.

What they call their better player's hybrids are all 1 degree flatter than the GI counterparts

[ole gray 16,413]

I'm not talking trash about someone's game, that's how the OEMs have made them. Tour heads or "players" versions are definitely manufactured flatter lie and to be less draw biased because that player already comes from the inside and isn't looking for help turning the ball over. GI and SGI stuff is definitely manufactured more upright to fit that player better.

Take TaylorMade for example- the new M3 Rescue (smaller, more compact head) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 59° and 21° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 59.5°.

The M4 Rescue (larger head, more draw weighting) 19° 3 hybrid has a lie angle of 60° and 22° 4 hybrid has a lie angle of 60.5°.

What they call their better player's hybrids are all 1 degree flatter than the GI counterparts

Very interesting! So a “Tour” head with the proper shaft could possibly help a mid capper who fights too much left in his game?

 

 

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[Slap 103]

I'm not talking trash about someone's game,

 

It's all good, and I'm not picking a fight over it either. Naturally as club length gets shorter Lies increase as well. 

 

I still don't think a lie angle dictates how good you are.

[Slap 103]

Very interesting! So a “Tour” head with the proper shaft could possibly help a mid capper who fights too much left in his game?

 

 

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Yes!

Or you can just weaken your grip.

[ole gray 16,413]

Yes!

Or you can just weaken your grip.

 

Yea the weaken grip helps when I want to cut the ball.  I didn't realize the lie angle was flatter on "pro or player" type hybrids.  I have a 2 hybrid I hit much more consistent than it do with my 3 & 4.  The 2 hybrid says tour on the bottom... 

[cnosil 15,649]

Not sure how you can correlate lie angle to player ability. Clubs are fit to the player. If a club is too upright when the player takes his stance the toe will come off the ground and close the face making pulls more likely. Too flat and the heel comes up and the face points right. There is no standard for lie angles from club model to club model much less from manufacturer to manufacturer.

 

See this demonstration, when a player lowers and raises the handle to setup to the ball. The lie angle doesn't change, just how the club is positioned

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfIvm8jF0iz/

 

Speaking in generalities I would say the draw bias if hybrids is more related to the head design to counter the fade most players have with longer irons. From what I remember when looking at hybrids a while ago most had a closed face angle. As hybrids have become more popular you are seeing more models with a square face.

[McaseyM 1,708]

I picked up the Cobra F7 3/4 hybrid last summer and while the Fujikura pro 75X hybrid shaft was very good, the KBS Proto S+ 95 is unreal for me. The cobra head and rails have been a life saver, i have it dialed down to 16.5, but can go up to 19.5 as needed. Once i get my fairway wood back under control, i'll probably move it up a bit to fill that gap.  I used the hybrid it instead of my driver and fairway at times during my last 2 rounds and it was a beast. 

but as others have said, go with what works, be the 3i guy, you'll probably intimidate your playing partners

[gaussman1 1,512]

Not sure how you can correlate lie angle to player ability.

 

I'm not, but that's exactly what the OEMs do. Across the board they make what they describe as GI woods and hybrids longer, closed and more upright.

They also recognize that has a left a hole in their sales so now have what they market as "player's" options that are shorter, sit flatter and more neutral faced.

[DPattGolf 1,577]

I'm sure this is well known but when you get fit for lie angle its for at impact. Not address. Any decent club fitter could careless if the club head it toe down or up at address as long as it is getting soled properly at impact

Not sure how you can correlate lie angle to player ability. Clubs are fit to the player. If a club is too upright when the player takes his stance the toe will come off the ground and close the face making pulls more likely. Too flat and the heel comes up and the face points right. There is no standard for lie angles from club model to club model much less from manufacturer to manufacturer.

See this demonstration, when a player lowers and raises the handle to setup to the ball. The lie angle doesn't change, just how the club is positioned
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfIvm8jF0iz/

Speaking in generalities I would say the draw bias if hybrids is more related to the head design to counter the fade most players have with longer irons. From what I remember when looking at hybrids a while ago most had a closed face angle. As hybrids have become more popular you are seeing more models with a square face.

[cnosil 15,649]

I'm sure this is well known but when you get fit for lie angle its for at impact. Not address. Any decent club fitter could careless if the club head it toe down or up at address as long as it is getting soled properly at impact

 

Agree,  but a ciubs stock lie angle is not based on handicap level. The discussion started with a statement that players type hybrids have a more upright lie angle and a non players is flatter and that most people don't adjust the lie angle of a hybrid.  Given that scenario,  based on that if the lie angle is too upright,  they would most likely result in pull/pull hooks.