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Used to hate hybridS , tried so many of them, all of them were absolute hook machines that sat so closed at address, until the 2016 m1 Sits neutral and that moveable weight To the toe is beautiful.. It’s still in the bag and isn’t going anywhere. I still rotate a 3i in when it’s windy, but that thing Is dynamite for me.

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I've battled hybrids for my entire golf career. My problem was routine hooks that would seemingly happen even on a good swing. Unfortunately, I wasn't much better with fairway woods and lacked the quality ball striking to consistently flight long irons. And since I found the hybrids so versatile I continued to push forward with them. Cleveland Mashie, Cobra Baffler, TEE XCG, RBZ, Adams A12, X2hot, M5 and a few others. I kept hoping to find the holy grail.

For me, I've found it. Start with something that has a somewhat neutral face. Second, the hybrid is too light. So many of these companies have light stock shafts in the 60-70 gram range. Go with something at least 85 grams. Next, the hybrid is too long. Cut it to an iron length. My 4 iron is 38.5 inches. The 3 hybrid should be 39 inches. 1/2 inch difference just like your irons. This promotoes a more downward strike on the ball and you will find the center of the face more with more control. The stock offering is 40 inches on my 3 hybrid. Chop it down 1 inch. The added benefit is that the lie angle will be flatter. The stock hybrid is too upright, so that kill 2 birds. Finally, you may need to add some weight to the head to maintain swing weight. I'm using a Callaway 16 apex, which normally has a 6 gram weight in the head. I replaced it with a 12 gram weight. Now we are at D3 just like my irons. Now we have something that swings just like a 3 Iron, but obviously with a hotter face and deeper DOG. 

 

 

 

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I always find it interesting when threads come back after years!

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On 10/11/2018 at 6:05 PM, tony@CIC said:

I'm a high handicapper as well. I use my long irons and hybrids interchangeably depending on the situation or the day. For instance if the ball in in the first cut or sitting high in the rough - I'll always take out my hybrid. With my 26 I generally get about 155, with the 22 about 165-170.

What's interesting is that some days I hit my long irons better than the hybrids and vice versa. Next year's project is working on hybrid consistency


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What a difference ball position makes. This year I moved the ball back approximately an inch in my stance and I'm nailing my hybrids! I love the click sound when I hit my 410's - it also keeps me from lifting my head (body) down on follow through since I'm not wondering if I mishit the ball. 

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Yep, I was not liking the Cobra F8 hybrids I got with the Combo set(18* and 25* hybrids). I tended to duck hook them a lot. Then, I tested the Tour Edge CBX119 4H(22*). Wow did that make a difference. The Cobras had Recoils and the Tour Edge had an Evenflo. A bit heavier I am able to get out from under tree branches when I am far from the green.

 

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2 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

What a difference ball position makes. This year I moved the ball back approximately an inch in my stance and I'm nailing my hybrids! I love the click sound when I hit my 410's - it also keeps me from lifting my head (body) down on follow through since I'm not wondering if I mishit the ball. 

I played hybrids very simliar and HATED them when I first tried them. Closer to the front and once I moved to the ball in the middle of my stance noticed a massive difference. My go to clubs now off the tee if the driver is misbehaving. Also comfortable going at a flag with them, funny how stance changes this.

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10 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

I played hybrids very simliar and HATED them when I first tried them. Closer to the front and once I moved to the ball in the middle of my stance noticed a massive difference. My go to clubs now off the tee if the driver is misbehaving. Also comfortable going at a flag with them, funny how stance changes this.

Yeah getting the right shape style and finding your sweet spot seems to make a big difference with Hybrids. 


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I will be purchasing a fairway metal very soon, havent decided on a 5w or a hybrid in a similar loft. I hit irons more consistently and solid than I do woods. Any suggestions on which I should choose?

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16 hours ago, scooterhd2 said:

I've battled hybrids for my entire golf career. My problem was routine hooks that would seemingly happen even on a good swing. Unfortunately, I wasn't much better with fairway woods and lacked the quality ball striking to consistently flight long irons. And since I found the hybrids so versatile I continued to push forward with them. Cleveland Mashie, Cobra Baffler, TEE XCG, RBZ, Adams A12, X2hot, M5 and a few others. I kept hoping to find the holy grail.

For me, I've found it. Start with something that has a somewhat neutral face. Second, the hybrid is too light. So many of these companies have light stock shafts in the 60-70 gram range. Go with something at least 85 grams. Next, the hybrid is too long. Cut it to an iron length. My 4 iron is 38.5 inches. The 3 hybrid should be 39 inches. 1/2 inch difference just like your irons. This promotoes a more downward strike on the ball and you will find the center of the face more with more control. The stock offering is 40 inches on my 3 hybrid. Chop it down 1 inch. The added benefit is that the lie angle will be flatter. The stock hybrid is too upright, so that kill 2 birds. Finally, you may need to add some weight to the head to maintain swing weight. I'm using a Callaway 16 apex, which normally has a 6 gram weight in the head. I replaced it with a 12 gram weight. Now we are at D3 just like my irons. Now we have something that swings just like a 3 Iron, but obviously with a hotter face and deeper DOG. 

 

 

 

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Now you have just educated me on something--- Yours is the first Call Away hybrid I have seen without an exaggerated offset-- Yours the way it sits reminds me of the original TM Rescue clubs which I have several I am fond of

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On 9/2/2019 at 6:44 AM, Pingistheanser said:

I recently ditched my 3-hybrid for a 5-wood and couldnt be happier with it.  The 5-wood is both more forgiving and longer for me.  IMO, for high handicappers or people with a slower swing speed, a fairway wood is the way to go.  The head of a FW is designed to be more forgiving and to help you launch the ball and the longer shaft is going to give you more power.

For me, my 5-wood is a consistent 200-yard club and as long as its not sitting down in the rough, its a club that I can hit out of any lie.

I also got rid of my hybrid and put in a 5 wood. I used to hit a Perfect Club 21 degrees. It was perfect, because a lot of my long irons and 3 woods were slicing hard right. But now that I learned to close to the club face better, that offset on the PC actually started causing a lot of hooks. 

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Ditched mine for about the thousandth time and put a 4 iron back in the bag in it's place about a week ago.

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1 hour ago, Sox Fan said:

Ditched mine for about the thousandth time and put a 4 iron back in the bag in it's place about a week ago.

I'm actually doing the opposite. Just scooped up a 2020 Mizuno CLK 22* to replace my 23* crossover. The Crossover just isn't consistent and I feel like I have to work too hard to get the ball up. I need something to fly 200 and stop within a reasonable distance after. Going to hunt down one of those Modus GOST hybrid shafts to try out, and play it around what my set 4i would play, maybe .5" longer.

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15 minutes ago, yungkory said:

I'm actually doing the opposite. Just scooped up a 2020 Mizuno CLK 22* to replace my 23* crossover. The Crossover just isn't consistent and I feel like I have to work too hard to get the ball up. I need something to fly 200 and stop within a reasonable distance after. Going to hunt down one of those Modus GOST hybrid shafts to try out, and play it around what my set 4i would play, maybe .5" longer.

The only hybrid I have ever seen success with is the original Callaway Apex 23*.   Granted, I have not tried a ton of different hybrids, especially recently.  Tried 3 other 4 hybrids since that one came out and none gave me as good of perfromance.  OF course, I am the guy that still games a Callaway XHot Pro 5 Wood because nothing more modern has equaled the performance I get from it.  Granted, the 4 iron (Hogan PTx Pro) does not give me the height or stopping power that the Apex does, but I get the same distance with it and better dispersion.  They both go hot and cold on me so they spend about equal time in the bag.  Nice to have a back-up plan when the deep freeze strikes one of them. 

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56 minutes ago, Sox Fan said:

The only hybrid I have ever seen success with is the original Callaway Apex 23*.   Granted, I have not tried a ton of different hybrids, especially recently.  Tried 3 other 4 hybrids since that one came out and none gave me as good of perfromance.  OF course, I am the guy that still games a Callaway XHot Pro 5 Wood because nothing more modern has equaled the performance I get from it.  Granted, the 4 iron (Hogan PTx Pro) does not give me the height or stopping power that the Apex does, but I get the same distance with it and better dispersion.  They both go hot and cold on me so they spend about equal time in the bag.  Nice to have a back-up plan when the deep freeze strikes one of them. 

Yeah, the height and stopping power is what I'm missing from my G410 crossover. It's a monster off the tee, but off the deck not as consistent, and feels like I have to put in way too much work to flight it up. Hoping this will be easier to launch, and not be so left bias as most hybrids. They have a flatter lie angle than other oems so I'm hoping that helps

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Hookerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

I confess, it's me.

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15 minutes ago, yungkory said:

Yeah, the height and stopping power is what I'm missing from my G410 crossover. It's a monster off the tee, but off the deck not as consistent, and feels like I have to put in way too much work to flight it up. Hoping this will be easier to launch, and not be so left bias as most hybrids. They have a flatter lie angle than other oems so I'm hoping that helps

Yep, the Apex has a flatter lie angle than most which is likely why I have expereinced more success with it than others.  Good luck with the Mizuno!  

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I cannot hit a hybrid, period. Every year I try the new ones, and it’s always the same: I hit them right into the ground about 100 yards. I have a steep swing and hit irons well, but struggle with FW: usually the type of player hybrids speak to. But not me: this year when I tried the Titleist ts3(supposedly a great fit for players who hit down on the ball) I hit like 10 worm burners in a row: I could literally hear the sales rep snickering. Then I ask to hit a U-510 3 iron, and proceed to smoke 5 straight balls 240+. It’s in the bag and I use it for all short par 4’s and some dogleg holes that don’t suit my driver cut. I still can’t hit my 3w, but I’m not sure I need it anymore. IMO, gapping is less important at this end of your bag.


 

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Dumped my hybrid this year. I could sure rip the thing down the fairway with a great swing but I could also hook it 150 yards left which was killing my scores. I play a ton of course that require shots about 220-240 down a tree lined fairway and after years of 2 hooks around leading to doubles and triples, decided to make a move.

I originally went to my set 3 iron I had, but had not used in a year for about a month. It worked great, but I still wanted a little more forgiveness and distance ( hybrid was 19 degrees and my 3 iron is 21). I had looked at driving irons before, mainly the ping crossover, however watching a youtube video about the gapr low on a whim I picked up a 19 degree from 2nd swing.

I cannot hit the gapr left ( yet), which is a godsend for my game. Nothing better than aiming up the left and pounding a mid trajectory shot down the left and watch it gently fade back to the fairway. I also hit it a little bit farther than my old hybrid and it cuts through the wind better.

Needless to say, getting rid of my "old hook machine" was the best decision I have made

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I fight a hook in the hybrids too, but I’m actually re-evaluating adding one, but with a slightly different idea. Instead of a hybrid in the 16-19 degree with a graphite shaft, which I’ve tried in the past, I’m thinking of trying something in the 22-23 degree w an iron shaft.

Arccos is showing my distance control in my low irons is poor (due to contact mostly), I think I’d have more carry distance consistency from the extra help in a hybrid. I also think a hybrid in that slot would hold a green better than the equivalent iron, so I’m gonna give it a try.


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I’ve posted here before and probably said how much I hated Hybrids but I currently have 2 in the bag. I put them together and in the bag because I was playing in a tournament, and my teammate in the practice round, had a tendency to hook the ball. That left me needing to be able to hook the next shot. My complaint was I hooked them. So I added 1 to the bag. But built a 3-19° and a 4-21°.

Unfortunately, I decided to reduce the shaft length by 1/2”. This gave them a flatter lie. I say unfortunately because once I did that I had a club that produced a long, high, straight ball flight.

I actually replaced my 4 iron and my 5 wood with these for the tournament and they are still there. I haven’t hooked them yet, and fortunately my teammate didn’t hook the ball during the tourney.


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