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Regarding your use. Last year at the LPGA event I volunteer for, I saw a few in the bags of the players.

 

My thoughts on the reason. I think the technology causes the ball to come off the face with less velocity than the non evnroll grooves. Players have grooved their strokes to know how far the ball rolls with each stroke they make. I asked a question in another forum and a response I got from Sean Toulon indicated this was he case. He told a story of giving a putter to a player who rolled 1 putt said it was a nice putter but was too hit off the face.

 

Pro players tweak things but don't often completely overhaul.

 

Great post! Heck, I even said in my review that it took me a bit to get used to, especially on the lag putting.  But once I got used to it, I really dialed it in and it became second nature.

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Regarding your use. Last year at the LPGA event I volunteer for, I saw a few in the bags of the players.

 

My thoughts on the reason. I think the technology causes the ball to come off the face with less velocity than the non evnroll grooves. Players have grooved their strokes to know how far the ball rolls with each stroke they make. I asked a question in another forum and a response I got from Sean Toulon indicated this was he case. He told a story of giving a putter to a player who rolled 1 putt said it was a nice putter but was too hit off the face.

 

Pro players tweak things but don't often completely overhaul.

I'd suspect there are also some Tour players still using the putter they'd won with back in college! (Kinda like the superstition about not washing your jersey, or your lucky underwear)

 

Plus as has been mentioned by others on these discussions - the EvnRoll technology is probably going to have less of a positive effect for a Tour Pro .. as they will tend to more consistently hit the dead center of the putter face more frequently vs non-pros.

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Not sure how consistently pros hit the center but are fairly consistent. There are som puttlab measurements of pros and Tiger hits the ball .2 inches toward the toe.

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Can't wait to share what my ER2 is going to look like in just a few weeks.

 

Also I spoke with Evnroll and they were surprised by the demand if the black models and are evaluating a retail release of them in the future

Hmm. I'm betting it will be BLACK!

 

 

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Not sure how consistently pros hit the center but are fairly consistent. There are som puttlab measurements of pros and Tiger hits the ball .2 inches toward the toe.

Hmmm .. But does he always hit it right on that spot?

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..PXG 0211 6i-GW (Mitsubishi MMT) 
..Cleveland CBX2 54 and CBX 60 (both Rotex graphite)
..Evnroll ER5 (33", 385g, P2 Reflex Tour)
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Hmmm .. But does he always hit it right on that spot?

Pretty consistently, but he has a specific roll that he expects. Would the evnroll grooves change that?

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you might be missing the point - robot testing might be better than human testing but even the humans would setup robot testing - center - heel - toe putts and could be off fraction of inches - anyway I agree with need to have confidence with ur putter - I think the point of the test is to show all of us that tech putters moi will have better distance control than non tech putters - thats is

 

 

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Regarding your use. Last year at the LPGA event I volunteer for, I saw a few in the bags of the players.

 

My thoughts on the reason. I think the technology causes the ball to come off the face with less velocity than the non evnroll grooves. Players have grooved their strokes to know how far the ball rolls with each stroke they make. I asked a question in another forum and a response I got from Sean Toulon indicated this was he case. He told a story of giving a putter to a player who rolled 1 putt said it was a nice putter but was too hit off the face.

 

Pro players tweak things but don't often completely overhaul.

 

Eric from Evnroll told me this was true as well - he said their grooves cause more lift. It was especially important for me because I ordered one with MORE loft than standard, because I setup with a little forward press before I begin my backstroke. Luckily, loft is easily correctable and he said I should just bend it back to the standard 2* if I'm having trouble getting the ball to the hole.

 

My stance on Evnroll is, why not? If I miss center a little bit and the grooves can help me get the ball to the hole to have a chance to go in, why wouldn't I play one? It's not going to magically put the ball in the cup, but if it even helps me sink 1 putt that I would've otherwise missed, it's worth it to me. Most Wanted testing is good because it gives you data to show that it has the potential to help you, with the numbers to back it up. With that said, what works for you might not work for everyone else, and vice versa. You should always test things for yourself. I went through 4 putters last year before I settled on the ER2 because I can line it up better than a mallet (ER7, Spider Tour Black, Odessey 2 Ball), but it is more stable than the Newport I gamed.

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First one - That would be tough because putters have such varying lengths in the hosel.  Not even taking in to account single bend and double bend shafts that go straight in to the head.  Now if you have several different putter personally that all take a similar shaft and have similar length hosels I'm guessing you could use club connex adapters and make it work.  I would guess it would have to be plumbers necks where the shaft installs into the hosel vs a flow neck where the hosel installs into the shaft though.

 

Why do the pro's putt so well with putters that don't crack the top 5 in MGS Most Wanted?  Because they are pro's.  They are just flat out better than us and every single aspect of the putter they are using is dialed in to their stroke.

 

Because Pro's practice, practice, practice, & then practice some more with their putting.  You can have the best technology in the world, but if you don't have good mechanics, it doesn't matter what you are putting with.  

 

Unless of course you are putting with this .... 

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I'm sorry that I missed the meat of this discussion but enjoyed the read.

 

I'm convinced that there are tons of strokes to be gained through proper putter fitting and if I were to rank how to improve at putting it would be practice and fitting over tech. The wise player has all three.

 

Oh and who cares what putter the pros are gaming. Are you a pro or do you have a legitimate shot at becoming one? That's .01 percent of the golfing population.

 

The real question is what putter gives you the best chance to reduce three putts and hole putts inside of ten feet more frequently. That's the one you want to use.

 

More than likely knowing what equipment is in the average touring pro's bag tells you exactly what equipment you shouldn't bother looking at. :)

 

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I'm sorry that I missed the meat of this discussion but enjoyed the read.

 

I'm convinced that there are tons of strokes to be gained through proper putter fitting and if I were to rank how to improve at putting it would be practice and fitting over tech. The wise player has all three.

 

Welcome to the discussion. [emoji3]

 

I agree with you assessment on how to improve putting skills. The bigger question is what does a proper fitting entail? Things like puttlab can tell you about your stoke, but what is the algorithm it uses to determine the proper putter? Do you fit a player to the putter or the putter to a player? Is there a right and wrong way to putt?

 

In my kind it is like any other club, is measuring to a theoretical perfect really the right thing to do?

Let's look at Rory at Bay Hill. Based on som assessments I have read, he went back to a putter that fits his stroke tendencies and went away from trying to achieve the perfect stroke. Best he has putter in a long time. Basically it best to not fight the tendencies that will come out when under pressure.

 

During Most Wanted Putter testing we were informed on how we were supposed to putt with some putters. Essentially the manufacturer was stating to get the benefits from this putter you must putt this way. Is that the right way to fit?

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The charm of putting is that there are lots of ways to do it. Having a repeatable stroke that gets the ball rolling online and a predictable distance trumps the platonic ideal every day. IMO

 

I think you must fit the putter to the player. Of course if the player is attempting to achieve a change then that's part of the equation.

 

 

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Tour Exotics 3 wood is in the bag because we are allowed 14 clubs.  It's a great club for pulling balls out of the water or from bushes - you never want to put your hand into anything in Florida unless you are absolutely certain that it's safe.  There are rare wind conditions when I might hit it off the tee on a few holes that I play.  

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