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Hi everyone, I just joined, and I appreciate the forum.  Cool, just what I was looking for. 

 

I am trying to understand why I am hooking my new Apex Pro Irons.  

 

My previous irons, Taylor Made, I couldn't draw to save my life, payed them straight or with a slight fade.  I was fitted with the Callaway irons and they looked pretty good on the monitor, good feel, 4,000 rpm, pretty straight.

 

The issue I am 6'6" and I play 2 degrees upright, 1.5 inches longer, and jumbo grips.  So what I test isn't exactly what I get.  The shaft is True Temper XP 95, S300.

 

I received the production clubs, and now if I hit a 3/4 shot it goes straight; if I hit a stock stock it draws left of the flag even if I am aligned correctly, and if I hit a full shot, the ball draws well left of the flag.

 

I am a 4 handicap player and generally a very good iron player.  I can't tell if the irons have a draw bias, or if the shaft is wrong.  

 

Any suggestions on what to try, or any experience with Apex Pro irons?  Thanks much,  Rob

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Rob first of all welcome to MGS!  I'm sure some of our members are familiar with the Callaway Apex and can give their view on the new shot shape you are seeing.  

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Welcome to MGS Rob!

Sorry, no experience with these irons, but I'm sure there are members here who may be able to help

 

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I Halas the same trouble with those shafts, I switched to a much heavier shaft and I haven't had so much trouble. I am 6'4”, and also play 2* up, and I play 1” long. I never could tell if the ball was going to go straight or hook. When it hooked, it really hooked. It may be the same for you.

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Sounds like you could benefit from a heavier shaft, another thought is take your clubs in and have them checked. I know vendors are pretty good at sending out equipment at the spec that they were ordered but sometimes they are off. On several occasions I've ordered clubs for customers and they will come back in saying they don't feel the same as what they hit in the fitting. I put their clubs in the loft lie machine and they were as far off as 2*!!! that's a huge difference.  Something to think about anyways.

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Hi everyone, I just joined, and I appreciate the forum.  Cool, just what I was looking for. 

 

I am trying to understand why I am hooking my new Apex Pro Irons.  

 

My previous irons, Taylor Made, I couldn't draw to save my life, payed them straight or with a slight fade.  I was fitted with the Callaway irons and they looked pretty good on the monitor, good feel, 4,000 rpm, pretty straight.

 

The issue I am 6'6" and I play 2 degrees upright, 1.5 inches longer, and jumbo grips.  So what I test isn't exactly what I get.  The shaft is True Temper XP 95, S300.

 

I received the production clubs, and now if I hit a 3/4 shot it goes straight; if I hit a stock stock it draws left of the flag even if I am aligned correctly, and if I hit a full shot, the ball draws well left of the flag.

 

I am a 4 handicap player and generally a very good iron player.  I can't tell if the irons have a draw bias, or if the shaft is wrong.  

 

Any suggestions on what to try, or any experience with Apex Pro irons?  Thanks much,  Rob

First, Welcome to MGS. Second, What Taylormade irons did you have previously and what were the length, lie and shaft specs of those?

 

Side question, what iron were you spinning 4,000rpms in your fitting???

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hey, i have the same problem and i cant figure it out.

i play with the apex pro 16 and project x 6.0 (120gram) shaft and i am struggeling to play one straight or fade one. i played the x-forged 13 with the project x psi (112gram) shaft last year and worked on to get a fade swing and was very happy with it, then i get these apex pro and it seem almost impossible to play a fade... and then i pick up my mackdaddy 50 degree and the fade is there?

 

have you or anyone else solved this enigma i would be happy to know :)

 

thank you

 

andreas

 

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Welcome! As Theedpatt said, we need a bit more detail as to your current taylormade make up to make an educated guess as to why your hooking the apex pros. Current shaft and TM model would be helpful as well.

 

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It could be a bunch of things:

1. Your swing with these vs your TM

2. The shaft weight difference

3. Shaft length difference

4. Swing weight difference

5. If your TM were more upright than these, or lie angle difference

6. Closing the face at address/impact due to loft/lie/length/swing

Etc etc etc

 

 

 

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Hey, thank you all for a warm welcome.

Im sorry i Wasnt clear in My last post.. i used to play callaway x-forged 2013 (some cavity back)

This is the thing and ive narrowed it down a bit:

1. It isnt lie angle. I play with 1 degree flat on both the apex and x-forged. ( even if i play more upright clubs it doesnt matter, can still produce a fade) have tried My friends clubs just to make a point

2. It isnt flex thing. Ive played with either regular Stiff or extra Stiff and have no problem shaping My shots

3. My swingweight is D0 on both xforged and apex , d2 as a standard works as well :)

4. The weight: It could be the weight, but the other way around of what ive been taught. U see, My x forged was with the lighter project x pxi 6.0 shaft, witch weight is 112gram instead of the project x rifle (120 gram) and it should be the other way around, that i overturn the blade of the lighter shaft no?

 

The thing is that ive worked on My fade the whole last season and got it to work Damn well and then i bye new irons and suddenly it went away, then i switched back instantly to the x-forged and voilà! There it was.. mysterious! But the apex is buttersoft so i want to play them but i cant.. Crasy

All i know it is not the common stuff where talking about but i cant seem to solve.. anyway Thanks for the insights

 

 

 

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Hmmm this is interesting. Do you have access to a lie and loft machine? If you do maybe there is some difference between the clubs you are missing.

 

Heck maybe it's something as simple as the top line looks different enough that you are closing the club face at address.

 

You could also try hitting some balls with contact tape or Dr. Scolls spray and see if you are striking the ball in different areas.

 

If you figure anything out please let us know, this is very interesting to say the least.

 

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Assuming they both measure with the exact same lie angle, length and the grips are installed straight I would guess its the shaft. I'm not 100% sure but I believe the tip section of the 112gram PXi is actually stiffer than that on the 120gram Rifle shaft even though its 8 grams lighter.

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So this is what i did:

To check 2 things at once i put a line on every ball to see both lie angle and strike on the face and it all looked fine to me... but it might be the stiffer tipsection on the pxi, gona check it out.. thank you

 

 

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And to add to this.. it is not that i cant fade the apex pro, it is just that i have to exaggerate the movement so much to produce it... then when i hit my wedges i slice and duoble miss the target and it becomes so apparent that it has nothing to do with my "normal" controle of face to path but something else, but what?

anyways ,.. thinking of just getting a new set of iron instead of trying to fix this,.i mean the season is about start :))

 

thanx

andreas

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Hi Rob,

 

Your ball flight has nothing to do with the brand stamped on your clubhead.  It comes down to physics.  Basically, your clubs are not matched.  The overall mass and MOI of your clubs determines how the clubs behave when swung.  If you tend to create too much of a draw with a particular club, it means that the club is too heavy relative to its MOI.  Similarly, a club that is too light relative to its MOI will induce a fade.  The only way to get this right throughout the set of clubs is to have them matched by the BioMatch method of matching golf clubs.  The method is available on www.rational-golf.com. Even better, let me know your location and I will see if there is an agent in your area. (gisle@rational-golf.com)  I have attached some information on BioMatch.

Article Binder.pdf

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