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Hi Rob,

 

Your ball flight has nothing to do with the brand stamped on your clubhead. It comes down to physics. Basically, your clubs are not matched. The overall mass and MOI of your clubs determines how the clubs behave when swung. If you tend to create too much of a draw with a particular club, it means that the club is too heavy relative to its MOI. Similarly, a club that is too light relative to its MOI will induce a fade. The only way to get this right throughout the set of clubs is to have them matched by the BioMatch method of matching golf clubs. The method is available on www.rational-golf.com. Even better, let me know your location and I will see if there is an agent in your area. (gisle@rational-golf.com) I have attached some information on BioMatch.

So you're guaranteeing you can take any club, counterweight it and make it perfect? Counterweighting doesn't work that way. Adding to the total weight and adjusting the balance point doesn't make a club perfect. It makes it perform differently for different reasons.

 

Asking for a friend of course...

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Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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Hi Rob,

 

Your ball flight has nothing to do with the brand stamped on your clubhead. It comes down to physics. Basically, your clubs are not matched. The overall mass and MOI of your clubs determines how the clubs behave when swung. If you tend to create too much of a draw with a particular club, it means that the club is too heavy relative to its MOI. Similarly, a club that is too light relative to its MOI will induce a fade. The only way to get this right throughout the set of clubs is to have them matched by the BioMatch method of matching golf clubs. The method is available on www.rational-golf.com. Even better, let me know your location and I will see if there is an agent in your area. (gisle@rational-golf.com) I have attached some information on BioMatch.

Get your snake oil crap out of here
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:ping-small: G410 LST 9* VA Nemesys 65X
:ping-small: G410 LST 14.5* Tour AD DI 7X
:titelist-small: 818 H2 20* Tour AD DI 85X
:mizuno-small: MP20 HMB 4 Tour AD 95X
:mizuno-small: JPX 919 Tour 5-PW Oban CT 115 X(-)
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 50F - 54S - 59D
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BS Meter is high with this one

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Driver:  :titelist-small: TSi3 (7.25*) - Tensei AV Raw White 65 X Tipped 1.5" & 0.5" Short, 2 extra grams in T1 Position

3 Wood: :titelist-small: TSi3 (13.5) - Tensei AV Raw White 70 X Tipped 1" & 0.5" Short, 2 extra grams in T Position

Driving Iron: :titelist-small: U500 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke (X)

Irons (4-6) :titelist-small: T100S - KBS C-Taper X-Stiff

Irons (7-P) :titelist-small: 620 MB - KBS C-Taper X Stiff

Wedges: QAJzq7h.jpg SM7 Jet Black 50.F.12 / 55.S.11 / 60.M.08 - X100

Putter: 5WoCG8Y.jpgBlack ER2 (Finish Courtesy of NorCal Putters) - :P2-grips-logo: Aware Tour

Bag:  :titelist-small: Hybrid 14

Glove:  Under Armour Strikeskin Tour

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I started reading and was like, what, this makes no sense??.

He was right about one thing, (I think), the hook or fade has nothing to do with the name stamped on the club

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"If you tend to create too much of a draw with a particular club, it means that the club is too heavy relative to its MOI"

 

Ummm. I'm pretty sure a draw means that the face was closed to the path at impact.

 

Or, you know, like too heavy or something

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He disappeared just like he has elsewhere when his method and lack of clubmaking knowledge is questioned. Not surprising.

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In The Bag
Driver: TaylorMade M2 (2017) w/ Project X T1100 HZRDUS Handcrafted 65x 
Strong 3 wood: Taylormade M1 15* w/ ProjectX T1100 HZRDUS handcrafted 75x
3 Hybrid: Adams PRO 18* w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4 Hybrid: Adams PRO 20* (bent to 21*) w/ KBS Tour Hybrid S flex tipped 1/2"
4-AW: TaylorMade P770 w/ Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Black Onyx S400

SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
LW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold Spinner
XW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger stepped
Putter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"

Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. Bomb and gouge. Yes, I'm a club gigolo.

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so mr gisle, im sorry but you have clearly not really read what has beeing said here,.. but yeah the consisting weithing of the club is important but not that drasticly.

anyways,.. i think it is mostly the shafts in this case, i have mostly played the dynamic gold in my career but also pxi shaft so thoose is what im used to ( or what im adapted to) but it can be the clubhead as well as i watched this  fitting video, please have a look, it was a bit interesting that he draws more with some of the clubs ( not offset, i think offset is mostly a "headthing", not so drastic differencies)

 

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Dukester, I am sure that at 1.5 inches over standard the fitter/ builder was trying to maintain some sort of normal swingweight by using a lighter shaft. However most ultra light shafts are not designed for the better player. It is a pretty good bet the shaft is off, I would suggest trying something in the 105/110 range. A kbs tour 105 or something like it in another brand. when putting on what I assume (yes I know what that does When I do that) is a larger grip (Bigger guy, bigger grip) the Sw is not that bad and may just help. When doing one shaft if it works then viola you are on your way and if not then you are out only ONE shaft.

 

Ermablixt.The shaft in the forged13 model is made for the aggressive swinger even at lighter weights usually translates into a much more stiff shaft than advertised. Low spin, low trajectory low weight can make for a club that could easily fade for an aggressive swing. where the regular PX may actually play closer to the advertised flex and be much less than that of the PXI series. The added weight is essentially only in the shaft in a swing that is geared to produce a fade could influence shutting the club. Trade out one of the shaft and try it. Or have a club guy look at it and do a blue print of both and just see where the differences lie.

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Irons - 5-pw, GW stnd length 5.0 flex same grip 1 deg flat. Type low medium offset cavity back, no diggers

Wedges - 56 and 60 tour grind wedge spinner and mcc4+ grip 2 flat 10 and 8 in bounce

Putter - 33" 3 deg loft 70 lie, lrg slight line slightly toe hang

Ball - truvis

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Hi everyone, I just joined, and I appreciate the forum.  Cool, just what I was looking for. 

 

I am trying to understand why I am hooking my new Apex Pro Irons.  

 

My previous irons, Taylor Made, I couldn't draw to save my life, payed them straight or with a slight fade.  I was fitted with the Callaway irons and they looked pretty good on the monitor, good feel, 4,000 rpm, pretty straight.

 

The issue I am 6'6" and I play 2 degrees upright, 1.5 inches longer, and jumbo grips.  So what I test isn't exactly what I get.  The shaft is True Temper XP 95, S300.

 

I received the production clubs, and now if I hit a 3/4 shot it goes straight; if I hit a stock stock it draws left of the flag even if I am aligned correctly, and if I hit a full shot, the ball draws well left of the flag.

 

I am a 4 handicap player and generally a very good iron player.  I can't tell if the irons have a draw bias, or if the shaft is wrong.  

 

Any suggestions on what to try, or any experience with Apex Pro irons?  Thanks much,  Rob

must have sorted it himself as no sign of him in over 3 months..........You're welcome! ;) ;) :)

Driver     Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs)  
4 Wood   Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+  :callaway-small: Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex

Hybrid     Titleist 910H 19*    :titelist-small:   Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S'

Irons         Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW   :mizuno-small:  N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S'

Wedges    Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54*  :callaway-small:   KBS Tour in 'R'

Putter        'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5"

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Dukester, I am sure that at 1.5 inches over standard the fitter/ builder was trying to maintain some sort of normal swingweight by using a lighter shaft. However most ultra light shafts are not designed for the better player. It is a pretty good bet the shaft is off, I would suggest trying something in the 105/110 range. A kbs tour 105 or something like it in another brand. when putting on what I assume (yes I know what that does When I do that) is a larger grip (Bigger guy, bigger grip) the Sw is not that bad and may just help. When doing one shaft if it works then viola you are on your way and if not then you are out only ONE shaft.

 

Ermablixt.The shaft in the forged13 model is made for the aggressive swinger even at lighter weights usually translates into a much more stiff shaft than advertised. Low spin, low trajectory low weight can make for a club that could easily fade for an aggressive swing. where the regular PX may actually play closer to the advertised flex and be much less than that of the PXI series. The added weight is essentially only in the shaft in a swing that is geared to produce a fade could influence shutting the club. Trade out one of the shaft and try it. Or have a club guy look at it and do a blue print of both and just see where the differences lie.

Hey thank you:)

I bought a new set of apex MB with the pxi 6.0 shaft and pew,.. everything is back to normal,.. the fade is back, and have no problem of shaping the ball the way i want to,.. but just for fun i ordered a single iron of the apex pro 16 with the pxi shaft just to try out and see if it was just a shaft thing:)

I appriciate the Insight, thank you

Andreas

 

 

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Same grip sizes?

 

 

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Same grip sizes?

 

 

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Hey. Yup same size but it doesnt make that much of a difference if i play jumbo or standard size,.. i know it can have a effect on some but not so much for me

 

Andreas

 

 

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Same grip sizes?

 

 

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Hey. Yup same size but it doesnt make that much of a difference if i play jumbo or standard size,.. i know it can have a effect on some but not so much for me

 

Andreas

 

 

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I was surprised that the thread had this much momentum and not one mention of the grip.

 

Best of luck!

 

 

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