Shankster Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 The guy has won almost as many MAJORS as the current #1 has total... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpc2828 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Talk about moving the needle, check out ratings, no one aside from TW can produce these numbers. VIEWERSHIP: Final RD coverage of @ValsparChamp on NBC (3-6p ET) earned a 5.11 Overnight rating. Highest-rated (non-major) PGA TOUR broadcast since 2013 Players Champ (5.7). Sunday's Final RD also highest-rated golf telecast (outside of the Masters) since 2015 PGA Champ (5.14). Ratings for final round of 2017 Masters: 7.6 U.S. Open: 3.6 Open: 3.2 PGA: 3.6 2018 Valspar: 5.1 Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I was able to watch lost of the back 9 yesterday, and I don't think I ever saw Driver in his hands. If you look at the previous tourneys where he didn't fair so well it was because of the Driver, he will have to hit Driver at the Masters, and at the US Open, if he doesn't figure that club out he won't win, at the same time, as long as he Doesn't try to overpower the course he will have a shot at winning, but there are courses where he has to hit Driver and tjats the club that will keep him from winning. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson153 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Is Tiger a legend? No doubt. Is he the GOAT? Probably. Does he draw more fans in than every other player combined? Sure. Is he relevant when he's 25th or 30th? NO!! I'm so glad he had an awesome tournament this past weekend so the coverage was justifiable. I am NOT a tiger hater nor am I a tiger fan. When they show highlights of him saving par after a +1 or +2 day, come on really. I know there's a lot of tiger lovers out there (and plenty here) but try to understand our point of view here. I mean it's very very rare, if ever, you see a athlete come back after 4-5 years and compete like he has thus far. I have nothing but respect for the guy (as a golfer) but I want to watch a tournament, not tiger time. I know I'm gonna get “quoted†here and told how wrong I am and how much he has done for the sport and all that. So go ahead, let me have it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy CobraConnectChallenge3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 NBC ratings for Valspar were the highest ratings for a non-Masters golf tournament since 2015 Absolutely incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 NBC ratings for Valspar were the highest ratings for a non-Masters golf tournament since 2015 Absolutely incredible I imagine that this week will set some records too. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Free hat, Free Budweiser & Free Pizza....all day at #16. And I got to park just 60 yards from the main gate! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickp Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 IMG_0150.JPG Free hat, Free Budweiser & Free Pizza....all day at #16. And I got to park just 60 yards from the main gate! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Dilly, Dilly Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rick Left Hand, Driver; PXG 0311XF Cypher 50 gr Senior 5 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 7 wood; Ping 425, Senior Shaft 55 gr 5 hybrid; Cally Steelhead, Hazardous R2 Irons; Mizuno JPX 923HM 7-GW Recoil 460 F2 Wedges; Titleist S9 54*, Mizuno SW 56* Putter; Waaay too many to list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhartmann34 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I still can't explain how much fun the Valspar was for me. I haven't watched that much golf in a row...along with replays....in forever! And what was even more interesting....my WIFE was watching and paying attention. She was honestly interested.... Tiger has done amazing things for the game and honestly, I was never a fan. I've changed my tune. I love the excitement! :-) Driver: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff Fairway: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff Irons: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts Putter: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant Handicap: 3 Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I still can't explain how much fun the Valspar was for me. I haven't watched that much golf in a row...along with replays....in forever! And what was even more interesting....my WIFE was watching and paying attention. She was honestly interested.... Tiger has done amazing things for the game and honestly, I was never a fan. I've changed my tune. I love the excitement! :-) I can relate - my wife rushed home so that she could watch Sunday afternoon. Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I was able to watch lost of the back 9 yesterday, and I don't think I ever saw Driver in his hands. If you look at the previous tourneys where he didn't fair so well it was because of the Driver, he will have to hit Driver at the Masters, and at the US Open, if he doesn't figure that club out he won't win, at the same time, as long as he Doesn't try to overpower the course he will have a shot at winning, but there are courses where he has to hit Driver and tjats the club that will keep him from winning. Totally agree! I am happy that he is back playing at an elite level, but a lot of players play at the elite level. To win, Tiger has to hit driver. I am at a loss as to why he hit his 2-iron stinger on #18 when he needed a birdie to get in a playoff. Sure, he hit the fairway, but he had a much longer shot into a vary difficult green. To me, he took birdie out of play with that shot. He needed a driver to get into position to put the ball close to the hole. It almost seemed like he didn't want to finish worse than 2nd, and if he got lucky, maybe he could get in a playoff. That lack of confidence is something I haven't ever seen in Tiger. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Totally agree! I am happy that he is back playing at an elite level, but a lot of players play at the elite level. To win, Tiger has to hit driver. I am at a loss as to why he hit his 2-iron stinger on #18 when he needed a birdie to get in a playoff. Sure, he hit the fairway, but he had a much longer shot into a vary difficult green. To me, he took birdie out of play with that shot. He needed a driver to get into position to put the ball close to the hole. It almost seemed like he didn't want to finish worse than 2nd, and if he got lucky, maybe he could get in a playoff. That lack of confidence is something I haven't ever seen in Tiger. I think that's the one club that he will need to fix. I also think that Phil had the same problem as this for the last couple years. They are plenty long, but having 8 iron versus 5 iron is a major difference at that level. Both of them are getting older, so finding the fairway with length is even more important. Their bodies can't take the constant hacking from the rough that these young guys can. 2 irons and 3 woods keep you in the tournament. As you said Driver gives him a really good chance to put it close with a wedge of some sort, 2 iron took trouble out of play for easy par, but left a long shot at birdie. T-2 is still a really good result. The next few months should be interesting. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 I respectfully disagree Putter is the club that has kept Tiger from winning. It has been since he stopped winning. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I respectfully disagree Putter is the club that has kept Tiger from winning. It has been since he stopped winning. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement. Tiger has always been near the top in Strokes Gained Putting... when he has played most of a season. I don't count the few starts that he had since his 5 wins in 2013. He loses it when he can't put the ball in the fairway. If the rough is up, he's not getting it close enough like he did in his younger days. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 wood is plenty club for him at the masters. Joe just needs to “forget†his driver on the range. To my eye, it's about his C game, and he is competitive with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Funny enough it wasn't his tee game that hurt him Sunday. It was his inability two hit an or wedge inside 15 feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Funny enough it wasn't his tee game that hurt him Sunday. It was his inability two hit an or wedge inside 15 feet Post round TW alluded to facing off-club yardages the entire day. Hard to sync everything up and knock it close when you're having to take something off every shot. ______S9-1 Pro D - Matrix Ozik XCON 6 S ______S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S ________3DX 17* - Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid SG ______ICON Black 4-PW - KBS Tour V S __________588 RTG 49 RTX 52.10 56.12 - DG S400 ______Amazing Grace NYC Tour CS _______'19 TP5X (the preceding have all been gamer approved) "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ - Ben Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanoito Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I also think the problem was his putter on Sunday. Give him a couple of lip-outs and we would have a different winner. The guy is just getting back at it. I believe playing it safe for a T2 has a greater contribution to the momentum. SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kardboard.kid Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 So we are all reviewing Tiger, and I wonder.... Do we really have the right to? Here is his lifetime stats events played 332 Won 79 2nd 30 3rd 19 Top 10 187 Top 25 252 made Cut 303 Total earnings for Golf $ 110,844,497.00 per the PGA official site. I have to say that I personally am not a Tiger Enthusiast, but I do recognize the importance of having him in the mix. Let's just enjoy the surge golf gets with him and hope the young guns can fill in once he is done. If anyone was watching I believe Saturday after the round during an interview. He leaned a bit similar to someone who has a back ache. So we really don't know how long we will have him performing as he did this past week end. F7+ w/Fujikura Pro XLR8 Graphite Shaft 3-I MPF H-Series3B2M graphite Shaft w/Winn Dri-Tac grip mid STi Irons 5-SW KURO KAGE 70IR Flex-R Lamkin Grips King F6 Hybrid Matrix Red Tie HQ4 Graphite Shaft Forged FGT 60* wedge KURO KAGE 70R SS cross Comfort grip O-Putter 1W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 Kenny and I have had this discussion before - I went back to Tiger's last Thursday her like season 2009. His strokes gained per round average was an obscene 3.7. By any measure except fairways hit and TV personality comments he was the best ball striker in the world at that time - ball striking includes driving - he was a great driver even though he missed fairways because he put the ball in position to score - when a fairway needed to be hit, par 5, long par 4, he hit it. Move to 2011, an okay year. His biggest losses were in the short game from 100 in, particularly around the green and especially short putting. His long game stats began to suffer next because of the pressure his lagging short game was creating. Throw in injuries, life issues and we are where we are. Tiger hit his driver fine this weekend. He didn't have to hit it often but when he did he hit it like big and gave himself chances to hit the par 5's in 2. The fairways on those par 5's are hard to hit. I've played both courses, Bayhill is far more generous. It's longer but accordingly the fairways are easier to hit. It should be a fun weekend - Bayhill and later Augusta - two of his favorites. It should be fun. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I can agree that he has struggled putting, but I think the the driver is the key to him winning. He can play well using 2 iron and 3 wood of the tee. At Augusta, he may be able to get around with 2 iron 3 wood, but I don't believe he can win without Driver on some of the longer par 4's. What I do like is that we are discussing Phil and Tiger like we used to do back in the day. There are some younger guys as well that will have something to say about the Masters as well. It will be interesting for sure. There are 15-20 guys or more that are really playing well, and any of them could put a weekend together in Georgia. There's also a few others who aren't playing well, but are just off a little that could win as well. JS, Justin Rose, Patrick reed. It will be fun for sure. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 I can agree that he has struggled putting, but I think the the driver is the key to him winning. He can play well using 2 iron and 3 wood of the tee. At Augusta, he may be able to get around with 2 iron 3 wood, but I don't believe he can win without Driver on some of the longer par 4's. What I do like is that we are discussing Phil and Tiger like we used to do back in the day. There are some younger guys as well that will have something to say about the Masters as well. It will be interesting for sure. There are 15-20 guys or more that are really playing well, and any of them could put a weekend together in Georgia. There's also a few others who aren't playing well, but are just off a little that could win as well. JS, Justin Rose, Patrick reed. It will be fun for sure. Absolutely - and he or anyone else will need to hit driver well to win, no doubt. I think he hit driver plenty well enough, when he hit it at Valspar, to win anywhere. His tee ball, regardless of club choice, was not the problem on Sunday. He was a tad off with his approach shots and his speed on putts. Not bad for a guy who hasn't been in contention in four years plus. I find it hard to believe that he won't win soon. Of course winning a major is another matter especially winning one at Augusta or a US Open where three putt avoidance becomes an exaggerated attribute. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Kenny and I have had this discussion before - I went back to Tiger's last Thursday her like season 2009. His strokes gained per round average was an obscene 3.7. By any measure except fairways hit and TV personality comments he was the best ball striker in the world at that time - ball striking includes driving - he was a great driver even though he missed fairways because he put the ball in position to score - when a fairway needed to be hit, par 5, long par 4, he hit it. Yes, he has been great in Strokes Gained, not only tee-to-green, but putting as well. Look at his stats; he has always been in the top 25, many times in the top 5. The years he is not, were the years he was hurt. So, explain to me, if he is a great driver of the ball (and I agree that he has been quite good the last few tournaments), WHY didn't he hit driver on #18 on Sunday when he absolutely needed a birdie for a chance to win?? Hitting the 2i off the tee told me that he doesn't have the confidence yet to pull off the shot when he needs it. He will have a much better time hitting driver with the wider fairways at Bayhill. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 From what I watched and remember, he didn't hit Driver at all on the back nine Sunday. It did look like he pulled a bunch of irons shots as well. Hitting greens keeps you in the game, but hitting it close and making the putt is how you win. His game does seem to be at a point where he could win. It's just a matter of he is t the dominant player he once was, and there's usually more than 1 pursuer in the tourneys nowadays, fending off 1 or 2 is tough, but keeping 5 or 6 away is tough for anyone. Maybe with Phil's win and Tiger playing well it will become the year of the old guys. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 He hit driver on 11 and on 14 Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 He hit driver on 11 and on 14 Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ahh, ok. I knew he didn't hit it much, and I didn't see it at the time. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Ahh, ok. I knew he didn't hit it much, and I didn't see it at the time. 14 was about the toughest fairway to hit all week (back and forth with 6) and he piped it down the middle. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 They just were saying that Tiger is 90 out of 119 in strokes gained off the tee. That stat need to improve for him to win. Which I think is what we have all been sort of saying with out having data. Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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