PlaidJacket Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just for the fun of it.... Most of us have a avatar, photo, or some type of icon to identify ourselves here in the forum. For those of us that use a photo; is that really you? Obviously, I'm not Sam Sneed. But still, I like ole Sam. He was a sweet swinger of the club and a classy dapper kind of guy. I like the old retro image of golf that Sam and others of his era now represent. So, if you use a photo as your Forum identity tell us a little bit about yourself or why you chose the photo... or icon/avatar. I'm off to the course. Have a nice weekend hackers! cksurfdude, PING Apologist #9, Shankster and 2 others 5 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Well, I can't settle on a single avatar. I like to change things up. Obviously this week is Arnie's Umbrella. Next week? Who knows... HardcoreLooper, silver & black, Rickp and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I think we had something similar to kind of post last year but I'll play along. I chose my two hunting dogs because when I'm not at work I'm either hunting or golfing depending on the time of year. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk HardcoreLooper, Rickp and cksurfdude 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mine is self evident - I am a Lutheran Pastor at a church with a Day School in St Pete, Florida. I'm also the chaplain for the Deaconesses in our church body. So the Avatar makes sense. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy tony@CIC, PlaidJacket, HardcoreLooper and 3 others 6 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mine is my son one of the first times he played some holes with me. I need to update it to one that I took of him on the Gonzales golf course last week. Or one of my daughter. She was knocking the heck out of it the other day. HardcoreLooper, cksurfdude and Rickp 3 Quote 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfJunkie302 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mine is of a random golf hole in Hawaii. I will change to a different hole every few months. I am a little nervous about putting photos of myself out on the internet for anyone to see... Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk HardcoreLooper, PING Apologist #9, Rickp and 1 other 4 Quote 2017 M1 460, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 JPX EZ 3 wood Fly-Z 4H MP-60, 3i-PW, True Temper Dynamic Gold S5 54° & 58°, True Temper Dynamic Gold California Monterey Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I just changed. This is the cover to one of my favorite albums (Scottish band, to boot), and the title is just perfect for my forum handle. I just need to find a better version of the picture with higher contrast. Edit: I think I found a better pic. Let me know if you can actually read the album title. Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAGolfore Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 My avatar is me on the 18th at the TPC Myrtle Beach. I usually change it a couple times a year. It's fun to see you guys that change all the time. Make me actually look at the name to see who is posting. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy tommc23, Rickp, HardcoreLooper and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Callaway Rogue 9* FW: Sub 70 Pro 4 wood Hybrid: Sub 70 949 Hybrid 19* Irons: Sub 70 659 CB 4 - 6 Black 639 MB 7 - PW Wedges: Sub 70 JB - 50* 54* & 60* Putter: Odyssey White Hot #2 Ball: Titleist Pro-V1x Handicap index: +3.9 Instagram: joshandersongolf Twitter: @jacustomgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Obviously mine isn't a picture of a person but it is a life long mantra... PING Apologist #9 and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Epic Flash SZ 9o w/ Ventus 6X Rogue 4wd w/ ATMOS Red 7X CBX 20o w/ ATMOS Blue 7S tipped 1" JPX 900 Tour 4i - PW (standard lofts) Rifle SM6 51o, 59o, SM7 55o 2019 ProV1x Custom Ming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinE Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just a pic of me, struggling through Bethpage Black. tony@CIC and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Driver JGR 9.5 R Flex Adila 65 3 Wood XR RFlex Fujikura Evolution 5 Wood XR R Flex Project X 5.5 7Wood Speedline LP R Flex Matix HD Radix 5.1 Irons 4 thru A Wedge J-15 CB R Flex NS Pro Wedges 56 CG 15 XE! 65 Putter ER 5 Hatchback Ball NXT Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excourse Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yep, it's really me on my 70th birthday in Jamaica. Sent from my SM-N950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app MattF, silver & black, cksurfdude and 2 others 5 Quote Wishon clubs, Odyssey CS stroke lab putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mine is definitely of a hat I own and wear on the course frequently. It rotates with about 6 others I've got in the queue. I love that old-school script! I may change things up a bit myself as far as the pic goes, but for now it represents me to a tee I think. Rickp and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipper554 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I change pics every month or so but I am in the current photo. Sometimes it's the dog or pic from the course. HardcoreLooper and Rickp 2 Quote Driver: Cobra F8 Tour length 3W: Cobra King F7 3/4 Wood 5W: Cobra King F7 5/6 Wood Hybrid 3/4: Cobra F7 20.5* Irons: 5 to PW Taylormade P790 A Wedge: 48* Vokey SM6 F grind S Wedge: 54* Vokey SM6 M grind L Wedge: 58* Vokey SM6 M grind Putter: Rife Two Bar Hybrid 35" P2 Aware Tour grip Ball: Taylormade TP 5X Bag: Hot Z Canadian flag 🇨🇦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yep this is me cksurfdude, silver & black, Canucklehead and 6 others 9 Quote Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 The first bit I was here I did, but no real up to date pictures so I'd use something I thought looked neat. Recent trip to Vegas the GF took some pics so back to me! Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Rickp, HardcoreLooper and MattF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mine is me over the hole when I got my first hole-in-three. HardcoreLooper, PING Apologist #9, Rickp and 3 others 6 Quote WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Not me in the flesh...lol. But.... me in spirit. I'm a rebel, and I march to the beat of my own drum. I don't follow anything or anyone except what I want to.... which most of the time is NOT the norm...lol. I've been a die hard Raiders fan for 50 years. Al Davis (RIP) and the Raiders exemplify the way I think. BIG STU, HardcoreLooper, Rickp and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 My avatar is me on the 18th at the TPC Myrtle Beach. I usually change it a couple times a year. It's fun to see you guys that change all the time. Make me actually look at the name to see who is posting. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy LOL I knew it was on the 18th at TPC "Myrtle Beach" it is right around the corner from me--- The reason I put Myrtle Beach in quotation marks is it ain't in Myrtle but actually in Murrells Inlet. That is sorta a sore point with us guys on the South Strand--- Most of us South Stranders do not want anything to do with "Dirty Myrtle" as we call it--- MattF, JAGolfore, mooremikea and 2 others 5 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 My avatar is actually me from 10 years ago now. 10 years ago and 50 lbs heavier--- I was a sorta un official Infiniti Golf staffer did R&D work for Championship Golf in Garden City with Infiniti Wishon and KZG clubs. The guy that set up my computer stuff did my pic on here and WRX. Championship Golf is closed down now he sold out and moved somewhere in Texas silver & black, PlaidJacket, MattF and 2 others 5 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullldog Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 " is that really you?" why you chose the photo... Its my team. Sporting it till my team's out of tournament. Then its back to my tattoo that's on my left shoulder. (nickname sake) Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk silver & black, HardcoreLooper, BIG STU and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Not me in the flesh...lol. But.... me in spirit. I'm a rebel, and I march to the beat of my own drum. I don't follow anything or anyone except what I want to.... which most of the time is NOT the norm...lol. I've been a die hard Raiders fan for 50 years. Al Davis (RIP) and the Raiders exemplify the way I think. I knew you and I got along for some reason-- I have always marched to the beat of my own drum right or wrong!! I do and say as I darn well please--- Ask me an honest question and you will get an honest answer straight off the trailer (to coin a racing phrase) ole gray, silver & black, fozcycle and 2 others 5 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tony@CIC Posted March 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2018 Mine is blank - it represents the blank look on my face when I have a errant shot and can't figure out what went wrong. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy GolfSpy MPR, silver & black, mooremikea and 10 others 13 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanSterlingPrice Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yup mine is a picture of me and a piglet we got a while back. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Rickp, HardcoreLooper, MattF and 2 others 5 Quote Right Handed 4.5 handicap Driver: Nike Vapor Flex with Mitsubishi Rayon Fubuki ZT60x5ct S-flex shaft and stock grip. 3-Metal: Nike VRS 15 degree with Mitsubishi Rayon tour issue Diamana S73x5ct X-flex shaft and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grip. Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 22, 26, 30, 34, 38, 42, 46 degrees standard length and lie with KBS Tour-V stiff shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Wedges: Ben Hogan TK15 54, 58 degrees with KBS Tour-V X-flex shafts and GolfPride MCC midsize Black/White grips. Putter: Nike Method Converge B1|01 with Superstroke Flatso 2.0 grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post STUDque Posted March 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2018 When I first started playing, I had my mom knit me a couple headcovers. She did Grover first then I got the bright idea for Beaker. His head shape is perfect and she made it well enough that I still use it on my 3 wood. I used to do Waldo for my avatars but started switching everything over to Beaker once I got the headcover. Unlike Beaker, I don't have orange hair or big eyes though. Similar expressions though Shoutout to MBP for pimping Beaker out. Double-O Meep Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy silver & black, tommc23, MattF and 8 others 11 Quote In my Pisa, riding on a 3.5+ G410+ EXS 5W King F7 Hy i500 5-GW Equalizer 56/60 Heppler Ketsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yup, that's me in high school, home golf match from circa fall 2005 or 2006. I forget the year we switched from our forest green Nike-Dri polos to those White ones from a local store. HardcoreLooper, fozcycle, Rickp and 2 others 5 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 When I first started playing, I had my mom knit me a couple headcovers. She did Grover first then I got the bright idea for Beaker. His head shape is perfect and she made it well enough that I still use it on my 3 wood. I used to do Waldo for my avatars but started switching everything over to Beaker once I got the headcover. Unlike Beaker, I don't have orange hair or big eyes though. Similar expressions though Shoutout to MBP for pimping Beaker out. Double-O Meep Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I don't know... If I ever met you, I'd be very disillusioned if you didn't look like Beaker...Heh! Along that same line with my old-school, fuddy-duddy ways, you could possibly picture me as one of those sarcastic old guys up in the balcony...I'm not near that old tho... fozcycle, STUDque and Rickp 3 Quote In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I've got plenty of pics and videos of me on a couple reviews I did so I change my image up. Right now it's Augusta... Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk fozcycle, Rickp, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 4 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmikecpa Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Mine is the sign at Bethpage since it is in my backyard. And it is better than my ugly mug. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy HardcoreLooper, cksurfdude, fozcycle and 5 others 8 Quote WITB 2024 Driver: Qi10 LS 9* HZRDUS RDX Smoke Blue 60 6.5 Fairway: M5 15* Evenflow Black 75g 6.5 Fairway: Sim 19* HZRDUS Red 75g 6.5 Hybrid: 0317x 22* KBS Proto 95x Irons: X Forged CB 5 - PW MMT 105 TX Wedges: Jaws Raw 50*, 54* & 58* TTDG "OG" Spinner Putter: Toulon Madison BGT Fire 34.75" Ball: Z Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Affirmative. No good reason for the pic, except like GJ302 I'm not wild about having my mug plastered across the webz. My ShotScope review is me in a nutshell. Help, I'm in a nutshell. How did I get into this nutshell? Look at the size of this bloody great big nutshell. What sort of nut has a shell like this? This is crazy. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy fozcycle, MattF, PING Apologist #9 and 3 others 6 Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PING Apologist #9 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Mine is definitely of a hat I own and wear on the course frequently. It rotates with about 6 others I've got in the queue. I love that old-school script! I may change things up a bit myself as far as the pic goes, but for now it represents me to a tee I think. FINE...Updated...enjoy or hate...Me, No Apologies! silver & black, tommc23, fozcycle and 1 other 4 Quote In my DLX Cart Bag: Driver: G410 SFT, set to 9.5*, Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 60, stiff (MGS Official 2019 Tester) 3W: G-Series SF TEC, set to 16*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 5W: G400 SFT, set to 19*, Aldila Tour Blue ATX, 65g, stiff 7W: G410 SFT, set to 22*. Alta CB 65 Red, stiff Irons: GMax, Green Dot, 5-PW, Project X Graphite Blue 6.0, 80-90g , stiff Wedges: Glide 2.0 Stealth, 50* SS, 54* ES & 60*/8 Forged MGS Special from the Wedge Wizard, Green Dot, Alta CB graphite, 84g, stiff Putter: Vault 2.0 B60 Copper, 33", black dot w/GP SNSR grip (PING Sigma 2 Fetch under "see-trials") Ball: MTB BLACK (MGS Official 2018 Tester for the MTB RED) Shoes: Classics Tour w/Black Widow Softspikes Disabled Marine Veteran. Semper Fi! #No apologies, just Play Your Best #Powertotheplayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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