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So I had my lesson today and noticed something that was incredibly odd and my instructor didn't know what was causing. My 7iron averages 96mph on TrackMan +/- 2mph but for whatever reason when I get to my Driver I only max out at a very disproportionate 113mph.

 

I'm really stumped and wanted to ask everyone here to see if you might have any ideas of what is causing my driver swing to be disproportionately slow or if anyone else has dealt with or is dealing with the same thing.

 

All help is appreciated!!!

 

 

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Is 17 mph between the two out of norm? All be it much slower i have a similar gap. My driver is about 89 to 90 and my 7 iron is usually 73 to 74.

 

 

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Easier to get "stuck" with a longer club is all I can come up with. But I'm no teaching pro.

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What should the driver SS be with that 7i speed?

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Do you use a different swing for your driver? For me at least, I use a different swing for my woods and irons — I like to hit a fade with my woods and a draw with my irons. That might cause a slight disproportionate clubhead speed between driver and 7i. I don't know, just my two cents. Maybe the two swing thing is just my odd quirk...

 

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I would think the bigger issue, if there is one, is the 7 iron speed and not the driver speed that's already about avg. tour level.

 

Are you a plus handicap?

 

If not I'd be changing teachers given that he can't say, “this is a normal gap” or “here's the issue.”

 

 

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There is another thread talking about the TXG Tour Experience Golf YouTube channel.  On one of their more recent videos they mention the speed difference between a 6 iron and a driver should be about 20mph.  They said if the driver speed is not fast enough it usually comes down to a swing sequence issue.  They talk about it in the first third of this video.  

 

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I would think your close. My fitting I had 98mph on a 6 iron and 113 on driver. From what I was told 2mph per club difference.

 

 

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Seems about right to me. My driver speed is right on 100mph and my iron speed is about 76, so to me at least, it's not far off.

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Its a little different but not too much different.

Do you use a different swing for your driver? For me at least, I use a different swing for my woods and irons — I like to hit a fade with my woods and a draw with my irons. That might cause a slight disproportionate clubhead speed between driver and 7i. I don't know, just my two cents. Maybe the two swing thing is just my odd quirk...

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Why would the 7iron speed be more of the problem?

 

Yes I'm consistently scratch to plus depending on how I have played recently.

 

 

I would think the bigger issue, if there is one, is the 7 iron speed and not the driver speed that's already about avg. tour level.

Are you a plus handicap?

If not I'd be changing teachers given that he can't say, “this is a normal gap” or “here's the issue.”


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In the 118-122mph range from everything I have seen or been told

What should the driver SS be with that 7i speed?

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Well when I step on my 7iron I have touched 100mph and my driver still tops right now in the 113 range. Just seems a bit slow. 

Is 17 mph between the two out of norm? All be it much slower i have a similar gap. My driver is about 89 to 90 and my 7 iron is usually 73 to 74.


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Sorry, I'm not an instructor so can't really help with the why.  Obviously there is something different between your iron swing and your driver swing.

 

I'm with Rev though, if your instructor isn't able to tell you why there is a difference then maybe it's time for a 2nd opinion.

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Yea I might try to find someone with like a K-Vest or a biomechanics background to see if they can find a solution to my lost speed. I'm sure my instructor could find out if we were to fully focus on that but we have been working a ton on my iron flight right now.

Sorry, I'm not an instructor so can't really help with the why.  Obviously there is something different between your iron swing and your driver swing.

 

I'm with Rev though, if your instructor isn't able to tell you why there is a difference then maybe it's time for a 2nd opinion.

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I've only been on a Trackman once so far, and your swing speed differential sounds very similar to mine-in proportion anyhow. At that time with driver I was around 85-89 and my 7i was around 75-78. I have worked quite a bit on swing speed and consistency since then though and am driving the ball a lot farther now overall. If I had to guess, my speeds have gone up to around the 95+ for driver and into the 80's with 7i. Better body motion, stronger grip and and inside-out swing plane are all doing the trick.

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I'd be interested to see what your 3wood swing speed is. Your driver maybe too long but I do not know your current playing length.

 

 

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My Driver is 45"

I'd be interested to see what your 3wood swing speed is. Your driver maybe too long but I do not know your current playing length.


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My Driver is 45"

So I'd call that standard. Do you know what your 3 wood swing speed is?

 

 

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Unfortunately I can't recall. My 3wood was only about 20 (max 30) yards shorter than my driver even though it was off the deck.

So I'd call that standard. Do you know what your 3 wood swing speed is?


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It would be neat to see if it's much slower then. My 4wood carry was 28 yards different. I don't think there was much of a difference in the swing speed though

 

 

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My 3 wood is only 3 mph slower swing speed than my driver for a carry difference of 27 yards. Driver to 7 iron is a difference of 16 mph. (102-86) 

 

My fitter said my swing speed gaps were perfect at 2-3 mph less per club so if you are hitting your driver well I wouldn't worry about it. Some of these instructors now are getting a little too wrapped up in club speed numbers instead of swing results. I took a lesson recently where the instructor only speaks "Trackman" and I didn't feel that I gained anything from it.

 

113 is some really good club head speed with a driver unless it has been a weird drop recently.

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It has dropped a bit and I'm only 25.

My 3 wood is only 3 mph slower swing speed than my driver for a carry difference of 27 yards. Driver to 7 iron is a difference of 16 mph. (102-86) 

 

My fitter said my swing speed gaps were perfect at 2-3 mph less per club so if you are hitting your driver well I wouldn't worry about it. Some of these instructors now are getting a little too wrapped up in club speed numbers instead of swing results. I took a lesson recently where the instructor only speaks "Trackman" and I didn't feel that I gained anything from it.

 

113 is some really good club head speed with a driver unless it has been a weird drop recently.

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Wedges: :taylormade-small: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X

60* Wedge: :taylormade-small: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X

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I'm not sure there's an isssue with that difference. If your instructor can't see in your swing with driver any differences in sequencing, path, club delivery that could be costing you speed or can't see differences on trackman it might be time to consider a second opinion

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Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white

Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid

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I might have the same issue. After looking over my numbers from my fitting my driver was about 105 my 6i was about 90. Granted I did swing a lot that day but I think I could improve my driver speed with better sequencing

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FW:   :cobra-small: F6 baffler set at 16º

Hybrid:  NONE
Irons:   :taylormade-small:  3i 2014 TP CB  4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400

Wedges:   :nike-small: 52º :nike-small: 56º  :edel-golf-1: 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped

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Why would the 7iron speed be more of the problem?

 

Yes I'm consistently scratch to plus depending on how I have played recently.

Because you may be swinging too fast with it. Which are you better at, your driving or your iron play?

 

 

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Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60  Aldila  R flex   - 42.25 inches 

SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft

Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

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I'm pretty good with both and to be honest the 7iron speed is coming from a fairly relaxed swing.

Because you may be swinging too fast with it. Which are you better at, your driving or your iron play?


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Driving Iron: :taylormade-small: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5

4 Iron: :taylormade-small: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X

Irons (5-7) :taylormade-small: P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X

Irons (8-P) :taylormade-small: P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X

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60* Wedge: :taylormade-small: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X

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If that's the case you don't have an issue. That gap between the 7 and driver are within the norm.

 

I'd spend my time working on another facet of your game.

 

What does your teacher say?

 

 

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Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60  Aldila  R flex   - 42.25 inches 

SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft

Ping G410 7, 9 wood  Alta 65 R flex

Srixon ZX5 MK II  5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex

India 52,56 (60 pending)  UST recoil 75's R flex  

Evon roll ER 5 32 inches

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Is there something besides the few mph difference in swing speed that is causing you concern in your on course performance with the driver? If your current swing feel with the driver is getting you the distance and accuracy you want/need and all you are seeking is a few extra mph, then perhaps a change in shaft or grip model might net you the mph you are looking for.

Driver:  :PXG: 311XF Gen5, Tensei CK Pro Orange, S flex

Fariway:  :PXG: 311XF Gen6 3-Wood, Tensei Blue 55g R flex

Hybrid:   :PXG: 211, 3H Project X Evenflow H, 80g, 5.5

              :titleist-small: TSR2 4H, Tensei Blue R (Forum Tester)

Irons:  :titleist-small: T200 2023, Tensei Blue R (Forum Tester), 5-GW

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