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I do this a lot off the tee and around the green, like you mentioned.

 

I know I should probably use my 3W off the tee and hit the fairway, but I typically always reach for my driver and mistakes happen.

 

I know sometimes I can putt when I'm just off the green or use a 7i or something... but it's so engrained in me that it's wedge territory and I don't even think twice about pulling out a wedge and thinning it across to the other side.

 

Something I plan on fixing this season... Hopefully.

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Yes. Yes I am. And a little ignorant too I suppose. Funny post, but oh so true!

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Sometimes. Ego can get in the way. It took me years to realize that shooting a good score is more fun than failing 99 times out of 100 trying to pull off miracle shots. And yet I still make bad decisions off the tee sometimes.

 

Just keep telling yourself, shooting a good score is fun. Don't let bad decisions wreck a round.

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Never to the extent that you describe but occasionally? Of course.

 

If this helps I will relay a story:

 

My son was a sophomore playing on the JV team at his small high school in Wisconsin (he could never have played in Florida). He would normally shoot between 45-50 for nine.

 

On this day I caddied for him. In High School golf caddies are not allowed to offer advice (stupid rule). He shot 54 and none of the guys in here s group broke 50. It was painful! Not because of the missed shots but because of the stupidity. All four players should have been in the mid 40's based on their golfing abilities.

 

On the drive home he was complaining about how hard the course was. I proceeded to go stroke by stroke and found 10 strokes that he could have saved through different clubbing and shot selection choices - in 9 holes!!!

 

OOsportsman - perhaps you would benefit from preplanning your round. Right down what clubs you will hit, make a note that if you miss the green you will always hit the shot the requires the least amount of loft. Try it, see how it works out. Good luck

 

 

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I don't know if I would call it stubborn, more like automatic pilot.  We pull clubs to hit shots that really needs to be thought out first.  I know I do it all the time.  I did play a few rounds where I literally tried to think about every shot.  I kicked my course management thoughts to the extreme and played from green to tee.  On the tee box, I didn't automatically pull a driver.  I thought about where I wanted to be distance-wise to attack the green or if it was a par 5, what would give me the best chance to get close to the pin on the 3rd shot and work my way back from to the green.  I thought about the distances, the clubs I could get the distance I wanted and which club would also work best for the lie.  Same for approach shots.  From that I chose the best club for the job.  Whenever you watch TV, the commentators will usually say there are a myriad of ways to hit that shot and they are right.  Often times, we amateurs choose a club without thinking if it's really the right club for that particular circumstance.

  I did manage to shoot some lower rounds that summer.  Of course all that thinking on the course was mentally exhausting.  I had a few lapses in judgement and went back to automatically pulling a club based on distance alone as well.  Can't say that I practice playing like this but I'm going to go back to it this summer.

 

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I dunno - but it seems to me you're trying to play shots that you simply don't have in your bag.

And much like your buddy that's putting from 50 yards off the green, it appears you're both candidates for adding one of those (albeit dreaded) "chipper" clubs that I keep seeing advertised on TV and in pop-up ads.

 

My two favorite examples are Lob Wedges and 3-woods.

When LW's first came out it seemed like everybody had to have one, and it seems like 75% of people couldn't hit them. And it kept make me ask them, why do you keep trying shots you clearly can't hit and/or haven't practiced enough to be able to replicate so as to have a serviceable result the majority of time?

And it's like people I see every weekend trying to hit a low-lofted fairway wood (or the new rage is driving irons) as second shots to greens on par-5s. It seems the majority of the time they either hit a shot into the weeds, or just dump or chunk it 50 yards down the fairway, leaving themselves another long shot to the green. Which leaves me asking them, wouldn't it have been smarter to just grab a 7-iron (or some other mid-iron) that you can reasonably hit and advance the ball to something resembling scoring distance into the green?

 

 

Because, end of the day, if you don't have the shot "in your bag" you're wasting shots - which either comes down to practicing your short game more, or just figuring out something better to do.

Stubborn? Perhaps. Just not thinking is more like it.

 

I might be gentler and kinder about it but this comment is spot on. You have to hit the shots that you can comfortably execute at least 80 percent of the time.

 

 

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I might be gentler and kinder about it but this comment is spot on. You have to hit the shots that you can comfortably execute at least 80 percent of the time.

 

 

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Absolutely!!  I was a terrible wedge player just a few years ago; no feel in the hands and arms.  When I retired, I spent time when not playing at the practice area.  I wouldn't say my wedge game is great, but I have confidence that I can pull off a shot more than 80% of the time.  I even chip in a few now and then (3 no-putt birdies last weekend!).  

 

My coach always says "Putt when you can; chip when you can't putt, and pitch when you have to."  One of the shots that I am not that good at ironically, is putting from the fringe.  I don't spend any time doing it, and I have trouble with speed particularly on long putts from the fringe.  I'd much rather chip it.  It's all about your confidence in the shot.  

 

My suggestion is to practice that wedge shot... a lot.  When you are playing but not worrying about score, go ahead and use the wedge.  Take a few shots with different clubs; find out what works for you.  When you are after a score, use the club that gets you closest to the hole.

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eliminating strokes as a high handicapper can be easy, and if you are stubborn it can cost you strokes. Your freind has eliminated the big number by telling himself that using his putter is a better option the using a wedge, it's better to putt the ball onto the green, then 2 for a 5, than it is to skull it across into the bunker and take 2 shots out of the bunker, and score 7 or 8. That's 2-3 stiles on one hole. There is no set way that you have to play shots, just because the pro always uses his sand wedge on short shots doesn't mean we have to. He has practiced that shot thousands of times, we practice it 50 times. Take a club that makes the shot easier, it could be 7 iron or hybrid, or like your friend, putter. Iran been said here before, play the shot you know you can play, not the shot you think you can play. Simply take a club that you know you can put onto the green and do it. Make it your own game.

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Yes but I didn't get to choose whether or not to be Irish.

 

Towards the end of last season, I stopped trying to play the sexy chip landing right by the pin and try to stop it right away in favour of the 7 iron bump n run which was just getting fine tuned when the snow came. This season I've learned quite a bit and will try using the club least lofted that can get the job done method.

 

Off the tee I play 3w much more often than driver. Been burned so many times by the big stick l if there isn't bailout left or right I go 3w. Nearly as far, but darn straight

 

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I would not say that its a case of being stubborn, rather it is more a disconnect between my brain and my body.   My brain has a way of writing checks that my body can't cash.  

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I might be gentler and kinder about it but this comment is spot on. You have to hit the shots that you can comfortably execute at least 80 percent of the time.

 

 

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Well, I always tell the kids at school that sometimes the truth hurts, but it's still the truth.  Don't want it, don't ask.

 

I'm usually pretty good with my 56* wedge, as long as the lie isn't too thin.  When it is, I grab my 7 iron or some other club, then stick it back in the bag, determined to hit the wedge, no matter what.  I know I am hitting a lower percentage shot but I do it anyway.  Just being stubborn!

 

You all have definitely made me think even more, though.  I'm going to make a concerted effort to think about how to get the best score I can, and not about playing the shot that I think I "should" be hitting.  It'll be interesting to see what the results are after a few rounds.

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Heck I chip a lot with my 5 iron with good results. I use it like a putter . Several chip ins by using what works for me.

 

 

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I got to thinking earlier today about my huge handicap and how I could manage to lower it. Obviously lessons and practice would help, but there's one thing I could stop doing that I know would shave 6-7 strokes (maybe even more) off almost every round I play.

 

I could stop being stubborn.

 

I'm constantly trying to hit the "right" shot, not trying to score. I played this past weekend with a buddy who pulled his putter out of the bag several times when he was a good distance off the green. Everything is super dry, the ground is hard, the grass is burnt. I swear he putted from 50 yards successfully. He's thinking about scoring.

 

I would have pulled a wedge, skulled it across the green into a bunker, had to pull off a bunker shot on sand as hard as concrete, taken a second bunker shot because the wedge bounced on the concrete and thinned the ball. And on it goes, all because I want to make myself hit that wedge from the fairway. I can't even bring myself to pitch and run with a seven iron from there, because I'm going to hit that darned wedge.

 

So I have a personality fault, and it costs me a ton of shots every round. Anybody else struggle with something like this? I'm really curious if anyone else has similar issues.

 

 

 

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I'm pretty stubborn as well and could easily take several strokes of my game if I was smart and honest with myself about my game.

 

 

For instance except for par 3's I always pull out the driver on the tee even if I'm better off with a hybrid which would take water hazards out of play. Another is being honest about my distances especially with my short irons.

 

One of my goals this year is to think before I pull a club out of the bag.

 

 

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Sometimes. Ego can get in the way. It took me years to realize that shooting a good score is more fun than failing 99 times out of 100 trying to pull off miracle shots. And yet I still make bad decisions off the tee sometimes.

 

Just keep telling yourself, shooting a good score is fun. Don't let bad decisions wreck a round.

You nailed it.  I had to stew on it a little bit, but this is actually the fundamental issue for me.  I'm never going to be a competitive golfer, so to me the game is about the challenge and the fun.  I almost always choose the challenge of making the shot over the challenge of scoring lower, and ultimately really want to do both.  What I need, more than anything else probably, is to change my perspective on what kind of fun I'm going to have.

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My coach always says "Putt when you can; chip when you can't putt, and pitch when you have to."  One of the shots that I am not that good at ironically, is putting from the fringe.  I don't spend any time doing it, and I have trouble with speed particularly on long putts from the fringe.  I'd much rather chip it.  It's all about your confidence in the shot.

When you talk about putting from the fringe, I'm assuming you're talking about covering 2 or more feet of fringe. I've stopped putting from there and bumping a hybrid instead. It's just me, but I like having a different feel because the speeds are so different. Other people have good feel for putting from 50 yards from the green. Again, it's different feels for different people.

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I got to thinking earlier today about my huge handicap and how I could manage to lower it. Obviously lessons and practice would help, but there's one thing I could stop doing that I know would shave 6-7 strokes (maybe even more) off almost every round I play.

 

I could stop being stubborn.

 

I'm constantly trying to hit the "right" shot, not trying to score. I played this past weekend with a buddy who pulled his putter out of the bag several times when he was a good distance off the green. Everything is super dry, the ground is hard, the grass is burnt. I swear he putted from 50 yards successfully. He's thinking about scoring.

 

I would have pulled a wedge, skulled it across the green into a bunker, had to pull off a bunker shot on sand as hard as concrete, taken a second bunker shot because the wedge bounced on the concrete and thinned the ball. And on it goes, all because I want to make myself hit that wedge from the fairway. I can't even bring myself to pitch and run with a seven iron from there, because I'm going to hit that darned wedge.

 

So I have a personality fault, and it costs me a ton of shots every round. Anybody else struggle with something like this? I'm really curious if anyone else has similar issues.

 

 

 

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Not me, I'll putt when I can and when I can't I'm much more likely to putt with a hybrid then pull a wedge. Unless you're tour tested, leave your ego and your cell phone in the car, bro.

 

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Heck I chip a lot with my 5 iron with good results. I use it like a putter . Several chip ins by using what works for me.

 

 

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That's what Tiger used to do if he only had 6-12" of fringe/rough to clear. Hopped over that stuff, rolled out on the green

 

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That's what Tiger used to do if he only had 6-12" of fringe/rough to clear. Hopped over that stuff, rolled out on the green

 

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Easy peasy and you got to go with what makes this game a little bit easier....  ;)

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When you talk about putting from the fringe, I'm assuming you're talking about covering 2 or more feet of fringe. I've stopped putting from there and bumping a hybrid instead. It's just me, but I like having a different feel because the speeds are so different. Other people have good feel for putting from 50 yards from the green. Again, it's different feels for different people.

Yes, less than 2 feet of fringe.  I can putt from the fringe if the pin is less than 10 feet away.  If its longer I will always chip it.  I don't mind chipping from tight lies.  I've chipped twice this year already off the green because I was on the wrong part of the green and no way to putt the ball anywhere close to the hole within going through fringe and/or rough.  

 

I have never been one to putt from off the green with a hybrid.  I've tried it, but the ball just seems to jump off the face too fast and the shaft is way too long.  Doesn't feel right.  Maybe I should spend so time with it, but I have never had a time at my course where I felt I needed that shot.

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