spuds544 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Over the winter I played an indoor league from Jan till March. Once a week. I bought a sample pack direct from Vice end of December. Over the 3 months I played the PRO,PRO SOFT, PRO+, and the tour. One ball was played per week. And I rotated thru them all. And the the last 2 weeks of the league both PROs cracked on me .I believe it was on driver hits. My swing speed is between 112-117. Ball speed 160-170. I emailed Vice over the issue and the said due to the "high speed spin" design of the ball. When it hits the net it generates too Mich heat and there for cracks the ball. They recommended I play a surlyn ball instead urthethane. Does this seen right? I've never heard of this before. MGoBlue100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 That sounds shady to me on their part. I wasn't happy with them when I tried them and to see a ball do that from indoor hitting only tells a lot I think. spuds544 and JohnSmalls 2 Quote 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iopfer Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 This is weird... I have played Vice balls for 3 years now and have never had this happen. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk spuds544 1 Quote Driver: F9, Project X Evenflow White T1100, 6.0 3 wood: F9, Fujikura Atmos blue, 3 hybrid: F7 19.5 degree stiff flex Irons: 4-pw JPX 919 KBS C-Taper Lite shafts Wedges: King Black 50, 54, 60 degree KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Putters: Odyssey O-Works 1w 34" w/ Superstroke counterbalanced Pistol GT 2.0 grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanoito Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 By that logic, tour pros should use surlyn as well? Not a very satisfying explanation from a company that should stand behind it's products. JohnSmalls, JAGolfore and spuds544 3 Quote SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I've cracked balls at golf store simulators before. If you hit a ball long enough it will eventually break. JAGolfore, MGoBlue100 and tommc23 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 The sudden stopping of the ball against a screen or net decreases ball life. It isn't your swing. I did read this online where someone else was commenting on broken golf balls. MGoBlue100 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPattGolf Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Yea golf balls aren't designed to be hit into a net... Quote * Staff Professional* Driver: Stealth Plus+ (7.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 6X Tipped 1" 3 Wood: Stealth Plus+ (14.25*) - Fujikura Ventus Blue 7x Tipped 1" Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 100 6.5 4 Iron: P790 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Wedges: MG3 Black 50.09 / 55.11 - KBS TOUR FLT 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe Raw - KBS Tour 130 X Putter: Custom Black ER2 or Custom Black Del Monte Bag: FlexTech Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X #11 RangeFinder: R1 Smart Rangefinder Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaidJacket Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Lame... I'm not buying it. I'd imagine the friction/impact of striking a ball with a club would generate (instantaneously - due to friction & compression/expansion) more heat than flying into a net. Me thinks they probably sold a bad batch of balls. Not the end of the world. JTexGolfer, JohnSmalls, Brian A and 1 other 4 Quote My Sun Mountain bag currently includes: 771CSI 5i - PW and PFC Micro Tour-c 52°, 56°, 60 wedges EXS 10.5*, 929-HS FW4 16.5* Willimette w/GolfPride Contour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Almost 20 years ago I broke a Wilson Staff Smartcore with a tee shot. I contacted them and they sent me some balls for my trouble. It looked to me like it split right on the seam from the molding of the cover. Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 I swing hard and I've never broken a ball. I've hit a lot of trees with a ball and not cracked one. Something isnt adding up Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Not sure if their explanation is scientifically sound or not, I'm not an expert. However I have cracked balls indoors before and I've seen it much more often in simulators than ever on a course. Whatever the reason may be, I do think there could be something to balls being more likely to crack when used indoors in a sim than outdoors on the course. JohnSmalls, DPattGolf, JAGolfore and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Never cracked one on the course but broke 5 in a simulator Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk MGoBlue100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spuds544 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 I posted this on the other site as well and some1 posted a link to something Dean Snell said.... "typically, when golf balls are hit that many times, espcially with a lot of drivers, you will see some balls crack over time.. they are made to pass random location driver hits of over 100 drivers at higher ball speeds... I have seen many times over the years when a player orients the ball in the same spot, and hits drivers over and over (especially in cages or simulators) the balls will have a tendency to crack earlier than 100 hits..." Makes alot of sense to me I guess I never realized how that could effect the ball. But coming from Dean..... I believe it. Vice did send me a sleeve of tours and a sleeve of pros "for my troubles". Granted I did have to place an order with them to get the 2 free sleeves. But I got free golf balls. I'm ok with that JohnSmalls, cnosil, MattF and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miboy62 Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 Sounds like Vice took care of you, that's awesome of them! MGoBlue100 1 Quote ZX5 MKII LS 8.5 Stealth 2 plus 3 wood Stealth 2 plus 5 wood Stealth 2 plus 19.5 Hybrid ZX5 MKll 5 / AW Dart stiff MG3 black 52 9b 58 12b 7.5 Phantom 34” Z Star Diamond 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geez2323 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 I have cracked a handful in a simulator and my practice net. Make sense that it could crack doing that. I have never cracked a ball on the course. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Glad Vice provided some balls for your trouble albeit with another order. Seems hard to believe that so much heat is created when hitting a net to crack a ball and also not dissipated after hitting the net. I am sure a materials engineer could talk to heat retention and how it effects different compounds. Snell's response makes sense if you are hitting a ball over and over with same orientation, hitting same spot over and over. Anyway, glad you were taken care of... JohnSmalls and MGoBlue100 2 Quote Epic Flash SZ 9o w/ Ventus 6X Rogue 4wd w/ ATMOS Red 7X CBX 20o w/ ATMOS Blue 7S tipped 1" JPX 900 Tour 4i - PW (standard lofts) Rifle SM6 51o, 59o, SM7 55o 2019 ProV1x Custom Ming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunfa0 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I too have never split a ball on the course but have had couple fly apart in a sim Quote In my cart Bag: Driver: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg Z U85 2 Iron Irons: T200 4 Iron AMT White S300 T100S - LH - 3-48* - AMT White S300 Wedges: Indi FLX- LH - 52° 56° 60° - True Temper Spinner Wedge shafts Putter: 2 Bar Hybrid Ball: Pro V1x Testing: Haywood CB/MB Combo Iron Set, 4-7 Cavity backs, 8-PW Muscle Backs, True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff, 2 Degrees stronger lofts. Tracked By: Follow me on Twitter @ham12_hampton and on Instagram @Nunfa0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigtazzGolf Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I read this thread and I'm jealous. I've never cracked a ball I must be doing it wrong lol. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy justnred, Nunfa0, silver & black and 1 other 4 Quote Grip n Rip it Chicks dig the LONG ball In my staff bag King F7+ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Pro White 60 - Graphite Tour X-Stiff CBX 13.5 3 Wood Atomic Irons 4-AW (reviewing) CG16 Satin 52* 588 RTX 2.0 56* and 60* Sentio Sierra 101-M Putter Proud tester of the Tommy Armour ATOMIC Irons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azstu324 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Not saying I completely buy their specific rebuttal but I think there could be something there. I end up cracking at least 1 ball every session at PGATSS on the net/sim and I'm there probably twice a week. Not sure if it's the net or the mat. Compression trauma may be more aggressive against the mat rather than grass.. maybe? . They use some model of Wilson/Staff mid comp ball. On the field, I'll scuff the dimples off of a ball before I crack it. weird! JAGolfore 1 Quote PXG 0311 Gen 5 9°/ Fujikura MotoreX F1 6X F6 3 Wood 14* / Kuro Kage Silver 65X F8 6 wood 20* / Fujikura MotoreX F3 6S RADSpeed Hybrid 24* TS1 4-GW / FCM Precision 6.5 Rifle TSW Wedge - 56/12 EAS 1.0 / Grip master 2.0 MAXFLI Tour CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Brittan Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Yep, add me to the "I crack balls when hitting into a net" crew.I've cracked premium balls of various brands when hitting into nets. I tend to use an alignment line on the ball to line up my drive and I still use this in a sim as well as out on the course, so you're hitting the same part of the ball over and over.On course you hit maybe 10-14 drives. You can hit that in less than 10 minutes easily on a simulator, then go on to 20, 30, 40, 100 driver shots in a small space of time, all in the same location on the ball, all with a secondary impact immediately after launch...It's a harsh set of conditions for a ball and not replicated on course. Quote Self taught golfer trying hard to improve his game. Started playing early summer 2016. Instagram @makingscratch : https://www.instagram.com/makingscratch/ Twitter @makingscratchUK : https://twitter.com/makingscratchukWITB: Driver : Ping G400 - Tour65 Stiff 44" Fairway : Taylormade Burner 2.0 15deg - Reax-R Hybrid : Taylormade M2 22deg - Flex-R Irons : 4-6 Srixon Z765, 7-PW Srixon Z965 - Nippon Modus 105 S Wedges 52deg Cleveland CG15 56deg Vokey SM5 F-Grind - Nippon ProModus 130 TX 60deg Miura K-Grind - TT DG Spinner Putter : Evnroll ER2 Ball : Vice Pro Plus Proud owner of a slowly approaching complete archive of Titleist's blades circa 2000-2014 and a Wilson FatShaft CI10 blade putter in perfect condition (seriously, try Googling it and look at the state of the few that show up) which I bought when at college and just happens to look like it's stamped with my daughter's name, born 14 years after I bought it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooremikea Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I have a net in the basement and I use a ball until it cracks and then put it in my cracked ball "trophy case". Using different balls with various brands they all crack after awhile. I wish I could say it is because of my incredibly high swing speed but it is not. Most of my practice is done with an old 6 iron swinging around 80mph. Quote Driver - Ping G410 Plus 10.5 - Ping Tour 65 Stiff 4 Wood - Callaway Rogue - Project X Evenflow blue 6.0 Hybrids - Titleist 818 H2 - 3(c-1) and 4(c-4) - Tensei CK Blue 70 stiff Irons - Callaway Apex CF 16 5-AW - True Temper XP 95 Steel Stiff Wedges - Ping Glide 54 SS, 58 TS Putter - Edel e1 Torque balanced Indianapolis 5.5 Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. 82 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I've never cracked a ball, but I cracked open an old driver on the range once about 15 years ago. Nunfa0 1 Quote G400 Driver XR 4 Fairway 16.5° Fli-Hi Utility Iron - 21° G Series 5-9 irons SM7 46°, 50°, 54° & 58° Ghost Spider S putter Nexus Laser Rangefinder Garmin Approach S20 GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnred Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Annnnnnnnnnnd you have been one upped! lol Mr. 82 1 Quote G30 Driver G30 3 and 5 Wood i200 red dot 4-U Milled Grind 54 and 58 Scotty Cameron Fastback Select Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB13 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I have cracked many balls and the ripped the net hitting into it. I have cracked Rock Flites to Pro V1s and everything in between. No ball can withstand shot after shot. Quote Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AH1980MN Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 As many of us can attest to- you can literally melt a barrel by firing hundreds of rounds through it in a short period of time. This is because, even though it is inert- non operating, energy is expended through it's length during use. Energy expenditures bleed heat. Heat is bad for longevity. I don't see why it would be any different for golf balls. Mr. 82 1 Quote WITB: Adams 9064LS 9.5* (until I cracked the face) Adams Super LS 17* Adams XTD Ti 23* Wilson Staff Ci7 4-PW Adams wedges: 52/7 56/13 60/7 Wilson Staff Infinite Southside putter/Odyssey DualForce 660 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I owned a retail golf store 15 years ago and we had a Full Swing Golf Simulator. Don't pretend to know the science but we cracked balls of all sorts very regularly. Pro V to Top Flite, it made no difference. I guess if you hit just into a net it would take a lot longer but those impact screens are pretty firm and heavy so doesn't take long for a single ball. We made some of the OEMs send us free balls monthly to use when Demo-ing their clubs Mr. 82 1 Quote Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikels Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) Thought I’d revive this thread after googling cracked vice golf balls. I have their latest 2020 version of the Pro’s. have been hitting them in my sim over winter along with a mix of other golf balls (pro v1, Kirkland, etc) so all balls getting equal duty. Only the vice pro’s have cracked on me... 3 times! While all the others the covers have worn down significantly but no cracks. 95% of shots with irons, a few with hybrids and next to none with driver. From my unscientific “tests” it appears there’s an issue with the vice balls.. I mean even the Kirklands are still going strong after an entire winter of hitting the same set of balls!! I did post on their Instagram account but no response. Not going to bother with following up with their customer service will just finish off my boxes and look for another value packed brand. Oh and my screen is a sawdust mesh. Super soft like punching into a pillow lol. Edited April 14, 2021 by Nikels Londo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkhark Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 I've bought a batch of several dozen lime vice pro and vice pro plus before season began. Not used in a SIM just on course and 2 balls did this... In one week...I swing at 99mph driver so I'm not a fast swinger. Shocker. Posted on Facebook no reply from them. Not impressed. tigerpill, Londo and MattF 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 This is interesting that it is not an isolated incident and that even with the objective increase in quality from Vice this seems to keep happening indoor use or otherwise. I know that Vice has supply chain issues but so does everyone else and disheartening to hear their customer service leaves a lot to be desired as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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