ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 While addressing the ball do you set your clubface open, square, or closed and why? Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 While addressing the ball do you set your clubface open, square, or closed and why? OG I set mine square because I'm more likely to have it square on impact. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 While addressing the ball do you set your clubface open, square, or closed and why?I assume you're just talking about standard full/straight shots? Square to my target line. I want it square at impact so why not start there at address and eliminate variables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I always try and sit it square, but I've been told a few times that it's actually open. Almost bought one of those magnets that stick on your face and show where you're aimed up. Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommc23 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Square then with a slight forward press I close the face a little it helps keep my huge left to rights out of my game. Plus I hit the ball too high so it gives me a normal height ball flight. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 I always try and sit it square, but I've been told a few times that it's actually open. Almost bought one of those magnets that stick on your face and show where you're aimed up. That's a problem I have all too often. I think my clubface is square to my target line and it's actually open. My wife will sometimes reply with "why is your clubface aimed so far to the right?" When I square the face up it looks closed. I think the reason I set up open is I'm trying to combat the pull hooks that creep in. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 I assume you're just talking about standard full/straight shots? Square to my target line. I want it square at impact so why not start there at address and eliminate variables. Well let's say if you are trying to pick a spot to work the ball back to your target, is your face still aimed down the line or at the spot you picked out? How about your shoulders, hips, and feet? Are they consistent with your clubface? Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Well let's say if you are trying to pick a spot to work the ball back to your target, is your face still aimed down the line or at the spot you picked out? How about your shoulders, hips, and feet? Are they consistent with your clubface?If you're trying to hit a straight shot then yes, everything is aligned. I'll tweak my stance and alignment based on the shot I'm trying to hit. But everything starts from the stock setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 If I pick a tree say twenty yards to the right of the green and plan on drawing it back this is what I've been doing. My shoulders hips and feet are set towards the green and my clubface is aimed at the tree. I end up double crossing myself or block pushing the shot. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Face is aimed on my start line so it's square to intermediate target. Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If I pick a tree say twenty yards to the right of the green and plan on drawing it back this is what I've been doing. My shoulders hips and feet are set towards the green and my clubface is aimed at the tree. I end up double crossing myself or block pushing the shot.If you're going by the book, that's not how you'd set up for a draw. You'd want to set up with your body closed to your target (the pin) and your face square to your target line. With your current setup you're setting yourself up for a push fade unless you come to over the top and really close the face - and that's where you get your pull hook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 If you're going by the book, that's not how you'd set up for a draw. You'd want to set up with your body closed to your target (the pin) and your face square to your target line. With your current setup you're setting yourself up for a push fade unless you come to over the top and really close the face - and that's where you get your pull hook It's funny you mention this because on my last shot of the day Saturday I set up closed with a square face and absolutely nuked my iron with a slight draw to the middle of the green. I'll head out tomorrow pre round and work on getting back to this. Thanks Joe! Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 If you're going by the book, that's not how you'd set up for a draw. You'd want to set up with your body closed to your target (the pin) and your face square to your target line. With your current setup you're setting yourself up for a push fade unless you come to over the top and really close the face - and that's where you get your pull hook This. My natural shot is a draw. I aim the clubface at a target to the right of my actual target, but left of my path. If my ball were sitting in the middle of a clock face and my target was the 12, my face would point to 12:15 and my swing path would be 6:30 to 12:30. Dont ask me to hit a fade. I know the physics of it, but good luck executing it. Sent from my SM-J727VPP using Tapatalk What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 MGS broke it down pretty well. https://mygolfspy.com/ball-flight-laws-mygolfspy/ Sent from my SM-J727VPP using Tapatalk What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Theoo Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Slightly open Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 MGS broke it down pretty well. https://mygolfspy.com/ball-flight-laws-mygolfspy/ Sent from my SM-J727VPP using Tapatalk Great read! Part of the above link speaks of the clubface: "This has the biggest influence on starting direction of the ball (often around 70-80%). In fact, a clubface direction which is offline can easily override the swing path of the player. For example, a player may swing the club 3 degrees in-to-out (to the right) and have a clubface which points 3 degrees left – meaning the ball starts to left and moves further to the left." Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckymeyer Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 With every club except driver I setup square. With driver I set up with the face open. My rational is that when I'm swinging well I will hit a slight draw. But I already pull the ball and set up facing right. I open the face in the hopes the ball will start a little right and draw back to the middle instead of the pull hook. Driver: SLDR w/ Fujikura Ventus Black 3w: '16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82 5w: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow Hybrid: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black Irons: 5i - gap Launcher CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Wedges: 54 CBX & 58 Zipcore w/ Nippon Modus 3 125 Putter: Red 7s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 With every club except driver I setup square. With driver I set up with the face open. My rational is that when I'm swinging well I will hit a slight draw. But I already pull the ball and set up facing right. I open the face in the hopes the ball will start a little right and draw back to the middle instead of the pull hook. I do the same thing with the driver. I have to be careful not to flip my hands trying to save the shot when aiming right. If I do that the ducks start quacking. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 OG, do you grip the club while the face is open, of do you grip the club square and then manipulate your wrists to open the face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I generally setup trying to get the face square and then point club down target line. However, my body is generally a little closed so I hit a draw or straight shot. I never setup planning for straight. While I understand the new ball flight laws, I generally have more success if I apply them like the old school way.....clubface at target and body on start line. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 MGS broke it down pretty well. https://mygolfspy.com/ball-flight-laws-mygolfspy/ Sent from my SM-J727VPP using Tapatalk Thanks for the link - it's something I knew intuitively but the article explained it in simple terms. Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 When I teach kids the ball flight laws, I like to use two different colored alignment rods, one to represent the club face and one to represent the swing path. That helps them pick it up fairly quickly. What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 OG, do you grip the club while the face is open, of do you grip the club square and then manipulate your wrists to open the face? Joe, sorry it took so long to answer however I played today and my results were not bad. Ok to answer your question, normally I grip the club square and then manipulate my wrists. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Joe, sorry it took so long to answer however I played today and my results were not bad. Ok to answer your question, normally I grip the club square and then manipulate my wrists.That's a huge issue there Bill! Because if you rotate your hands to open the face they're naturally going to want to shut through impact. If you want to try addressing the ball with a slightly open face then open the face and THEN grip the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 That's a huge issue there Bill! Because if you rotate your hands to open the face they're naturally going to want to shut through impact. If you want to try addressing the ball with a slightly open face then open the face and THEN grip the club. You're right bro.... I'm a gripper and a flipper... I do need to open the face and then hang on like Steve Stricker. I would love his simple back and through swing. Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 This is some good stuff. I appreciate the comments. For years I thought my club face was square, but it was pointed out that I'm a little closed. Forward press mostly eliminates it, but I've been so incident with my irons the last couple years, I need to read more stuff like this to look out for. Sent from my BLN-L24 using Tapatalk Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtracymog Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I set the driver open because my miss is a hook. Most everything else I set up square unless I'm hitting a flop or bunker shot. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Cortex w/MGS Motore X F1 7X tipped 1" F5 17 degree hybrid w/Rogue Black 85X C300 Forged 3-5 w/C-Taper 130X FG Tour V6 5-6 w/C-Taper 130X Staff Model Blade 7-PW w/C-Taper 130X RTX4 52, 56, 60 w/S400 Tour Issue ER7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Square to the target. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 That's a problem I have all too often. I think my clubface is square to my target line and it's actually open. My wife will sometimes reply with "why is your clubface aimed so far to the right?" When I square the face up it looks closed. I think the reason I set up open is I'm trying to combat the pull hooks that creep in. I have the opposite problem. I think it's square and it's closed. I'm always trying to be square. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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