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I know many players use a line on their ball to show the starting line for a putt.  I believe this violates the Rules of Golf for the following two reasons:

 

1. I believe having a line on the ball violates Rule 8-2b. The line on the ball is present when the stroke is taken and, by definition, it's a mark.

 

From the Rules of Golf:

 

"8-2. Indicating Line of Play

b. On the Putting Green

When the player's ball is on the putting green, the line of putt may be indicated before, but not during, the stroke by the player, his partner or either of their caddies; in doing so the putting green must not be touched. A mark must not be placed anywhere for the purpose of indicating a line of putt."

 

2. Lining up putts this way definitely slows down the game.  How many times have we seen pros mark the ball, adjust the line on the ball, step back to take a look and then re-mark the ball so they can re-align?  That's a common occurrence and it's often imitated by amateurs. I don't know whether this technique actually results in more putts made which, I suppose, could speed up play, but I doubt it, especially at the amateur level.

 

Is there another side to this issue that I'm not seeing?  I look forward to other, constructive viewpoints.

 

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I know many players use a line on their ball to show the starting line for a putt. I believe this violates the Rules of Golf for the following two reasons:

 

1. I believe having a line on the ball violates Rule 8-2b. The line on the ball is present when the stroke is taken and, by definition, it's a mark.

 

From the Rules of Golf:

 

"8-2. Indicating Line of Play

b. On the Putting Green

When the player's ball is on the putting green, the line of putt may be indicated before, but not during, the stroke by the player, his partner or either of their caddies; in doing so the putting green must not be touched. A mark must not be placed anywhere for the purpose of indicating a line of putt."

 

2. Lining up putts this way definitely slows down the game. How many times have we seen pros mark the ball, adjust the line on the ball, step back to take a look and then re-mark the ball so they can re-align? That's a common occurrence and it's often imitated by amateurs. I don't know whether this technique actually results in more putts made which, I suppose, could speed up play, but I doubt it, especially at the amateur level.

 

Is there another side to this issue that I'm not seeing? I look forward to other, constructive viewpoints.

 

Dave

I dont put a line on my ball but this rule is about putting a mark on the putting surface not on the ball.

 

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I know many players use a line on their ball to show the starting line for a putt.  I believe this violates the Rules of Golf for the following two reasons:
 
1. I believe having a line on the ball violates Rule 8-2b. The line on the ball is present when the stroke is taken and, by definition, it's a mark.
 
From the Rules of Golf:
 
"8-2. Indicating Line of Play
b. On the Putting Green
When the player's ball is on the putting green, the line of putt may be indicated before, but not during, the stroke by the player, his partner or either of their caddies; in doing so the putting green must not be touched. A mark must not be placed anywhere for the purpose of indicating a line of putt."
 
2. Lining up putts this way definitely slows down the game.  How many times have we seen pros mark the ball, adjust the line on the ball, step back to take a look and then re-mark the ball so they can re-align?  That's a common occurrence and it's often imitated by amateurs. I don't know whether this technique actually results in more putts made which, I suppose, could speed up play, but I doubt it, especially at the amateur level.
 
Is there another side to this issue that I'm not seeing?  I look forward to other, constructive viewpoints.
 
Dave

 

you are misinterpreting the rule. You cannot put a mark or indication on the green, but you can put any marks you want on your ball. Nice try ;)

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This is purely about marking the putting surface and not the ball. A caddie or in case of team play your playing partner can point to a spot to putt to or aim at but they can't touch that spot.

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I tried a line...hated the line......but have seen others use it quite well....I was stupid enough to take a brand new dozen of balls...and line everyone with a sharpie....use them twice..hated it...gave the dozen to my 14 year old nephew.....he seems quite pleased with the new dozen of balls for free...line for him wasn't an issue..the price was!!!! As for the rules...the line on the ball is perfectly legal and some ball manufacturers actually have arrows or other markings already on the ball.

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I tried a line...hated the line......but have seen others use it quite well....I was stupid enough to take a brand new dozen of balls...and line everyone with a sharpie....use them twice..hated it...gave the dozen to my 14 year old nephew.....he seems quite pleased with the new dozen of balls for free...line for him wasn't an issue..the price was!!!! As for the rules...the line on the ball is perfectly legal and some ball manufacturers actually have arrows or other markings already on the ball.

Right most manufacturers, titleist for sure, have been printing the ball type as one line of text with arrows on either side. Been better part of a decade.

 

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When I was in Highschool, I graduated in 1989, some golfers were using the logo on the ball to help them in aligning their put. I personally did not but it had nothing to do with the rules. I just did not do it.

 

I have no idea when this started but I think it has been around for a long time. Even a linear name without a line could be used to align the ball. I think that is what others used years ago.

 

I got some new Titleist balls and noticed they had an alignment arrow that I assumed was for putting.

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It is a slow method of lining up a putt, but I think it can be employed by amateurs as long as they make it a point to speed up the process. I avoided this method the the plague due to how long it seemed to take a few friends who use it; however, I desperately needed a solution to the problems I was having with eye-dominance and alignment and tried it out at the suggestion of an instructor. I've found you basically just have to be constantly focused on preparing your putt when you're on the green. Have your line mentally ready, and when your mark is out of the way of others get your ball on the ground while someone else is preparing your putt. Then when it is your turn you can just make that last second adjustment if need be then fire away. 

 

 

2. Lining up putts this way definitely slows down the game.  How many times have we seen pros mark the ball, adjust the line on the ball, step back to take a look and then re-mark the ball so they can re-align?  That's a common occurrence and it's often imitated by amateurs. I don't know whether this technique actually results in more putts made which, I suppose, could speed up play, but I doubt it, especially at the amateur level.

 

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I know many players use a line on their ball to show the starting line for a putt.  I believe this violates the Rules of Golf for the following two reasons:
 
1. I believe having a line on the ball violates Rule 8-2b. The line on the ball is present when the stroke is taken and, by definition, it's a mark.
 
From the Rules of Golf:
 
"8-2. Indicating Line of Play
b. On the Putting Green
When the player's ball is on the putting green, the line of putt may be indicated before, but not during, the stroke by the player, his partner or either of their caddies; in doing so the putting green must not be touched. A mark must not be placed anywhere for the purpose of indicating a line of putt."
 
2. Lining up putts this way definitely slows down the game.  How many times have we seen pros mark the ball, adjust the line on the ball, step back to take a look and then re-mark the ball so they can re-align?  That's a common occurrence and it's often imitated by amateurs. I don't know whether this technique actually results in more putts made which, I suppose, could speed up play, but I doubt it, especially at the amateur level.
 
Is there another side to this issue that I'm not seeing?  I look forward to other, constructive viewpoints.
 
Dave

Strange that you are a 5 and you would think that a line on a ball is a violation of the rule.

 

IMHO, No there is not an issue that you are not seeing and I'm scratching my head on this one.

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I do not look at the ball when putting; I look at the hole.  I need a line on the ball to putt because I have to line up the ball to my intended line on the green then line my putter up to that line on the ball.  My wife hates the line on the ball, and prefers to see nothing on the ball when she putts.  Personal choice.  It is not against the rules.

 

If the line bothered you so much, why not position the ball on the green so you can't see it rather than giving those expensive balls away?  That's what my wife does when we play Chapman.

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I do not look at the ball when putting; I look at the hole.  I need a line on the ball to putt because I have to line up the ball to my intended line on the green then line my putter up to that line on the ball.  My wife hates the line on the ball, and prefers to see nothing on the ball when she putts.  Personal choice.  It is not against the rules.

 

If the line bothered you so much, why not position the ball on the green so you can't see it rather than giving those expensive balls away?  That's what my wife does when we play Chapman.

Wasn't like I through those balls in the trash...i gave them to my nephew.....

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Guys- chill out- he was asking a question.

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Guys- chill out- he was asking a question.

I'm not so sure. He joined to post this? And made an assertion that is easy to refute and would send everyone running off for the rules? Seems like a classic troll

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Watching golf I always see a line on the golfballs when they do a closeup. Some are more prominent than others so I guess I'm safe and not a rules violator. 

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We shall see. Maybe he (like many of us) doesn't quite understand the rules, and wanted clarification on something that was bothering him- either way, a little benefit of the doubt should be warranted here, given the nature of this forum i.e.- not the other sites.

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There was a small study done on putting results between balls with a line used for aim, and balls with no line. Better results were shown with no line.

 

 

 

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Just musing out loud .. one could guess it _is_ possible that a player adding a line to the ball could be construed as either... modifying their equipment, or using an alignment aid during play......

 

Anyway, I do use a line on the ball - not only when putting but also on the tee. And I try to play ready golf and keep moving along (I get anxious when the group in front of me each spend a full minute .. or more .. over each of three or FOUR putts....).

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I always used to get distracted or misalign the line on balls, so I would turn the ball to show plain white, but after watching a video from another thread here I'm going to give the line another shot.

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I would think the line might speed up play......it would give the player, who likes the line, a guide and let him proceed. Instead of looking a a blank white ball, and be unsure on his line. As, I said I do not use the line, tried it, didn't like and just do it old school, and trust my instincts. Not saying it makes me a good putter or bad putter it is just what I'm comfortable with.

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I would think the line might speed up play......it would give the player, who likes the line, a guide and let him proceed. Instead of looking a a blank white ball, and be unsure on his line. As, I said I do not use the line, tried it, didn't like and just do it old school, and trust my instincts. Not saying it makes me a good putter or bad putter it is just what I'm comfortable with.

One would think the help of an alignment aid would speed up play but I've seen far to many spend more time trying to get the alignment right and take longer than necessary. From what I've seen some golfers aren't sure if they are aligning to the apex or where they think the ball is going to enter the hole. They get over the ball and because their mechanics aren't good the alignment line looks off to their eye and they have to them go back and re align the bell only to still miss read the putt line and/or speed

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As with any golf equipment, what works for one might not work for another. Getting back on topic, the answer is no, it doesn't violate the rules of golf.

 

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20-3a/2

Using Line on Ball for Alignment

Q.May a player draw a line on his ball and, when replacing his ball, position the ball so that the line or the trademark on the ball is aimed to indicate the line of play?




A.Yes.



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Here ya go - THE answer!  This game is about fun and while we all want to be as good as we can we're not on tour. 

 

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On 4/23/2018 at 5:00 AM, perseveringgolfer said:

you are misinterpreting the rule. You cannot put a mark or indication on the green, but you can put any marks you want on your ball. Nice try ;)

You nailed it, hell players have lines on clubs heads, shafts and tees. Play safe and often

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I really like line marks on balls (my own or OEM's.  I have found them really helpful in aligning putts,  I know some say they are completely useless, but I find them helpful.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

I really like line marks on balls (my own or OEM's.  I have found them really helpful in aligning putts,  I know some say they are completely useless, but I find them helpful.

We teach all of our kids at TFT to align the line on the ball with the apex of the break in the putt, then align the line on your putter with the line on the ball.

The alignment aid on the Vivid XT is really nice.  But hitting them feels like breaking a dish with your club.  No bueno.

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We teach all of our kids at TFT to align the line on the ball with the apex of the break in the putt, then align the line on your putter with the line on the ball.
The alignment aid on the Vivid XT is really nice.  But hitting them feels like breaking a dish with your club.  No bueno.

Maybe this is a different use of the same term, but I think this is why many say that amateurs miss putts on the low side most often. I would define the apex to be the point of the break that is farthest from a straight line going from the ball to the hole. If you line up your putt to that point, it will miss to the low side almost every time. To get the ball to pass over that point, the aim point is usually even farther away from the hole because the putt is breaking during the first half of the putt, too.


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19 minutes ago, romeopapazulu said:


Maybe this is a different use of the same term, but I think this is why many say that amateurs miss putts on the low side most often. I would define the apex to be the point of the break that is farthest from a straight line going from the ball to the hole. If you line up your putt to that point, it will miss to the low side almost every time. To get the ball to pass over that point, the aim point is usually even farther away from the hole because the putt is breaking during the first half of the putt, too.


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OK, I think of the apex differently.  I think of all putts as being straight for a certain length (it might only be straight for a few inches), and then they start breaking.  That point at which it starts breaking is what I think of as the apex of the putt.  There's probably a better term for this.

You're absolutely right, you can't aim at the high point on the line unless there's no break before that high point.

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