Berg Ryman Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Was there ever any doubt? Read the article here! Congrats to the Evnroll brand for snagging another Most Wanted, this time with the ER3. Sound off below on other thoughts! In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Has it been posted somewhere the way in which it is decided which particular models of each manufacturer's putters are chosen for the Most Wanted testing? Obviously, Evnroll, TaylorMade, Odyssey, et al. have multiple blade putters in their lineups. Does MGS choose which to test? The OEMs themselves? TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHIOgolf Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 First off I would love try one of these putters, I do see how that tech would help. However I really only see anything mentioned about these putters on MGS. Is there something going on between MGS and Evnroll. Pros mainly use Scotty Cameron, Ping, Odyssey. Why not use one Evnroll. The closest and only place around in my area that even carries these putters are about 45 minutes outside of cleveland. Now I'm not throwing stones but it seems anytime there is a putter review it's highly weighted towards Evnroll. I'm probably going to get a ton of slack for this but figured I'd mention and see. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I believe that OEMs are invited to submit their entries and if they decline MGS will occasionally purchase putters (clubs) to test. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I've seen forum member Kingscott putt with an Evnroll. Makes me want one real bad! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpc2828 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Amazing to see a recent #1 blade putter a few years back is now dead last, is it time to upgrade my Carbon Ringo? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfJunkie302 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Okay, okay. I now have to test out an Evnroll. Everyone says they are fantastic! Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk 2017 M1 460, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 JPX EZ 3 wood Fly-Z 4H MP-60, 3i-PW, True Temper Dynamic Gold S5 54° & 58°, True Temper Dynamic Gold California Monterey Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy_X Posted April 23, 2018 SPY VIP Share Posted April 23, 2018 Sam name, different year and is a different putter. Amazing to see a recent #1 blade putter a few years back is now dead last, is it time to upgrade my Carbon Ringo?Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy #TruthDigest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 How can a putter be #1 overall, but #18 from 5 feet? That's just wrong. “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 How can a putter be #1 overall, but #18 from 5 feet? That's just wrong.Perhaps the difference in scores from 1 to 18 from 5 feet was very minimal? Thus it didn't drag down its overall ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooremikea Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Thanks to the MGS staff and testers for all of the hard work. Driver - Ping G410 Plus 10.5 - Ping Tour 65 Stiff 4 Wood - Callaway Rogue - Project X Evenflow blue 6.0 Hybrids - Titleist 818 H2 - 3(c-1) and 4(c-4) - Tensei CK Blue 70 stiff Irons - Callaway Apex CF 16 5-AW - True Temper XP 95 Steel Stiff Wedges - Ping Glide 54 SS, 58 TS Putter - Edel e1 Torque balanced Indianapolis 5.5 Index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy Barbajo Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 First off I would love try one of these putters, I do see how that tech would help. However I really only see anything mentioned about these putters on MGS. Is there something going on between MGS and Evnroll. Pros mainly use Scotty Cameron, Ping, Odyssey. Why not use one Evnroll. The closest and only place around in my area that even carries these putters are about 45 minutes outside of cleveland. Now I'm not throwing stones but it seems anytime there is a putter review it's highly weighted towards Evnroll. I'm probably going to get a ton of slack for this but figured I'd mention and see. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Slack? Nahhh - as long as everyone behaves and is respectful, opinions are welcome in the proper threads. And as always, thanks for being a part of MGS!!! If you look around at other forums and website, you'll see plenty of love for EVNRoll - Guerin Rife makes dandy putters and the face groove tech is legit when it comes to distance control. Yes, EVENRoll is an advertiser, but we have advertisers that often finish in the middle of the pack with testing, as well. In order to even be considered an MGS advertisers, companies have to meet certain guidelines, have to perform to our own standards and offer something unique to the consumer. It's a pretty laborious process - check out our blogs on owner Adam Beach and you'll get an idea (click here). As to why pros play Scotty, PING or Odyssey? I think you probably already know a large part of the answer to that. EVNRoll is still a fairly small company, and while they have some wins on the LPGA and - I believe - the Champions Tour (don't quote me on that) - they don't have sponsorship deals so they can't use the names of the winning players. Tour usage certainly validates products - but it's certainly not the only way. Smaller companies make some pretty dandy stuff! One of the great things about MGS is that we don't have a ton of rules - you can speak your mind as long as it's done respectfully and in the proper thread. You're golden, brother! And we appreciate the honesty! What's in the bag: Driver: TSR3; DynaPWR Carbon FW Wood: DynaPWR 3-wood; TSR 2+ Hybrids: PXG Gen4 18-degree Utility Irons: ZX MkII 20* Irons:; 699/699 Pro V2 Combo; D9 Forged; MT86 (coming soon!); VIP 1025 V-Foil MB/CB; Wedges: RTX6 Zipcore Putter: HB Soft Milled 10.5; Newport Special Select; Willamette, BB8; 8802; MATI Monto Ball: Tour B RXS; Z-STAR Diamond; Triad Stat Tracker/GPS Watch: Follow @golfspybarbajo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 First off I would love try one of these putters, I do see how that tech would help. However I really only see anything mentioned about these putters on MGS. Is there something going on between MGS and Evnroll. Pros mainly use Scotty Cameron, Ping, Odyssey. Why not use one Evnroll. The closest and only place around in my area that even carries these putters are about 45 minutes outside of cleveland. Now I'm not throwing stones but it seems anytime there is a putter review it's highly weighted towards Evnroll. I'm probably going to get a ton of slack for this but figured I'd mention and see. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Evnroll's plan is to again grow slowly through organic tour seeding (ie not paying anyone to play their clubs). There are a couple LPGA and champions tour players that are rolling them. So you're not seeing them on tour because Evnroll isn't willing to get involved with pay for play yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0808 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 The Evnrolls feel fantastic whenever I roll them at a shop. Seems like price is worth it now. In my bag: Driver: Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS 10.5* (set to 9.5) UST Lin-Q Gunmetal 6f5 Wood: Tsi2 15* Project X RDX Black 70 6.5 Hybrids: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX Irons: Cobra King Tour MIM 4-PW Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 3 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400 Putter: Nashville Z1C 34" Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Perhaps the difference in scores from 1 to 18 from 5 feet was very minimal? Thus it didn't drag down its overall rankingLooks like that is exactly the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Thanks to the MGS staff and testers for all of the hard work. Ditto! Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaussman1 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 As always the results are very interesting and put new things on my radar. The blog comments though make me shake my head. They all seem to be variations of "yeah but why didn't you something something?" Good grief Rogue SZ 10.5 *NEW* Fujikura Pro Green 65 X Rogue 15 degree Evnflow Blue 6.5 Back in the Bag Z765 4-G Nippon Modus 120 Stiff 54 and 60 Amazing Grace Ass Kicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txgolfjunkie Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Great test as always. Will the results be published with real data (SG Putting or total putts from each distance) instead of the rank? I'm curious to see how significant the difference is from 1st place to 20th place. Note to golfers: while this is a fantastic test, you should still go get properly fit for your putter. Think of this test as a great starting point. I wanted to love Evnroll so much but the double bend shaft and alignment didn't fit my eye/stroke and found a different brand to be a statistically better flatstick. I firmly believe Evnroll makes fantastic putters, but without a proper fit, you won't know really what's best for you. The blog article makes a great point...most try off the rack and hope they selected a winning lotto ticket. Cobra Connect 5 Competitor - Team Chad King Radspeed 10.5* w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 60 6.5 tipped 1/2" - Peacoat/Red King Radspeed Big Tour 3 Wood w/ Hzrdus RDX Blue 70 6.5 Tipped 1/2" King Radspeed Tour 5 Wood w/ Motore X F1 70 X Flex King Utility 4 21* w/ Tensei Pro White 100 X Flex King Tour MIM Copper Irons 5-G w/ AMT White X100 Onyx King MIM Black Wedges 55* & 60* w/ AMT White X100 Onyx Spider SR Pro V1x Left Dash Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 How can a putter be #1 overall, but #18 from 5 feet? That's just wrong.20 testers each with 6 putts from 5 feet. If 17 putters had all 120 putts made and the evnroll missed 1 then It is ranked number 18. We are really talking about a few putts between the top and bottom at 5 feet. You would probably get some slight juggling in those rankings if you were to repeat the 5 footers. I know I lipped out a few 5 footers during the testing. For me there were some putters that performed better than others but I would say from 5 feet they were all pretty equal as I moved to 10 and 20 feet you could start to see differences. Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Anyone who's rolled both want to comment on the differences between the ER2 and ER3? I'm going to assume that in feel and in stroke, they're essentially identical. The difference—I would guess—would be which headshape is best suited for alignment for one player or another. But these are just my guesses; I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with both putters. TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Anyone who's rolled both want to comment on the differences between the ER2 and ER3? I'm going to assume that in feel and in stroke, they're essentially identical. The difference—I would guess—would be which headshape is best suited for alignment for one player or another. But these are just my guesses; I'm interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with both putters. I would agree with your assessment of the differences. ER2 is balanced 22 degrees toe down ER3 is balanced 25 degrees toe down The shaft type and balance will make both perform similar. I think it really comes down if looks and ability to align properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Interesting that the Edel E-3 and Odyssey Toe-Up, both torque balanced putters finished high up on the MW list their respective years they were tested, yet their ranks from distances are noticeably different. https://mygolfspy.com/2016-most-wanted-blade-putter/ Edel 5- 1st, 10- 23rd, 20- 5th Odyssey 5- 24th, 10- 4th, 20- 1st Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 When I first saw the results and saw that the EVNROLL was 1st overall but 18th at 5' I was like BULLCACA, THIS IS RIGGED!!! But after walking off the ledge, it makes sense. The dispersion of putters from 5' could be within a few percentage points difference, thus making the difference between 1st place and 18th maybe is 3-4% est. Now as you move further away, that dispersion is greater and could be in the 10-15% or even higher. So in that sense being 18th at 5' is less impactful than being 1st in 15' or 20'. Anyway, very interesting results MGS and thank you for the work you do! Epic Flash SZ 9o w/ Ventus 6X Rogue 4wd w/ ATMOS Red 7X CBX 20o w/ ATMOS Blue 7S tipped 1" JPX 900 Tour 4i - PW (standard lofts) Rifle SM6 51o, 59o, SM7 55o 2019 ProV1x Custom Ming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHIOgolf Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Well I know my first post might have sounded negative but I have been intrigued by these putters.... do they ever run discounts? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTexGolfer Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Well I know my first post might have sounded negative but I have been intrigued by these putters.... do they ever run discounts? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy No they are premium pricing. Best bet for a deal is eBay but they retain their value very well there too. I had an ER1 that I liked a lot but just couldn't get lined up right for some reason. 400 Driver (8*) UST ATTAS Punch 6S F6 Baffler (16*) Matrix Red Tie 65Q4 816 H1 Hybrid (21*,23*) Diamana S+ Blue 82 HY Z765 (5-PW) +2* Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw Vokey SM5 50.08F 54.10M Aerotech Steelfiber i110cw PM Grind 60* Dynamic Gold S400 TR 1966 Anser 2 Z Star ball Pioneer Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPenso Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 When I first saw the results and saw that the EVNROLL was 1st overall but 18th at 5' I was like BULLCACA, THIS IS RIGGED!!! But after walking off the ledge, it makes sense. The dispersion of putters from 5' could be within a few percentage points difference, thus making the difference between 1st place and 18th maybe is 3-4% est. Now as you move further away, that dispersion is greater and could be in the 10-15% or even higher. So in that sense being 18th at 5' is less impactful than being 1st in 15' or 20'. Anyway, very interesting results MGS and thank you for the work you do! It's in the comments (should have been in the article itself IMO) but the differences between putters were negligible at 5 feet, on the order of 5 putts in 1000 from first to 18th but much greater at the 10 and 20 foot distances. I'd expect just about everything to go in at 5 feet if the testing was conducted indoors on perfectly straight and flat putts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Just put the ER3 in my bag. 20+ years of golf and trying numerous putters, there is nothing that rolls the ball better than this. Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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