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Buying a new putter this year and SAM lab recommended a putter with at least 30 degrees of toe hang for my slight arc stroke. Definitely considering an evnroll, but none of their putters that 1) I like or 2) are offered in lefty have that amount of hang. The er2 comes close at 22 degrees. Should that be a concern or is the difference negligible? I know the best answer is to test one, but the closest evnroll dealer is a couple hours away so I was hoping to get some insight before making the trip.

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Buying a new putter this year and SAM lab recommended a putter with at least 30 degrees of toe hang for my slight arc stroke. Definitely considering an evnroll, but none of their putters that 1) I like or 2) are offered in lefty have that amount of hang. The er2 comes close at 22 degrees. Should that be a concern or is the difference negligible? I know the best answer is to test one, but the closest evnroll dealer is a couple hours away so I was hoping to get some insight before making the trip.

I have a slight arc stroke and absolutely love the ER2. Does that mean it'll work for you? Not sure.

 

I used to put with a #9 style putter which has a toe hang so and I didn't have any trouble transitioning to the ER2.

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I love the Evnroll line but maybe try something less expensive in the recommended toe hang first? You can probably pick up a #9 from Callaway Pre Owned for less than $100

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First let me say that I am an advocate for what the Puttlab does from a stroke measurement perspective.  From a fitting perspective,  it is programmed to some theory on how to fit a putter.  As I understand, it you were to get a 30* toe hang putter and try it on puttlab it would probably tell you to get a different toe hang.   I personally think the difference you will see between 22 and 30 won't matter.   It recommended 30* for me as well, but I use about 70* toe down.  

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In talking to the guys at Evnroll, it's possible to get some additional toe hang in their putters. One way they can do it is by using a different bend, or hosel. I had a conversation about a very similar situation in making a putter fit an arced stroke and be similar in toe hang to what I have. Send them an email, or give them a call, they're awesome at reaching-out. Heck, they even had me send two videos of me putting, and the specs of my putter to see if they could build something similar. Good luck!!!

 

 

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I love the Evnroll line but maybe try something less expensive in the recommended toe hang first? You can probably pick up a #9 from Callaway Pre Owned for less than $100

# 9 is full toe hang. Like straight down. I dont think that is the correct style

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# 9 is full toe hang. Like straight down. I dont think that is the correct style

You're right. I was thinking of the new Works version which is more of a mid mallet and less hang than previous models. But even that is probably way more than 30 degrees

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You're right. I was thinking of the new Works version which is more of a mid mallet and less hang than previous models. But even that is probably way more than 30 degrees

I figured you were thinking of something else. Either that or you've been drinking heavily and got some putter models mixed up.

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I really don't know if you would see a big difference of 22* toe hang vs 30* toe hang

 

Then again it is so hard to figure out a person's tendencies especially with putting.

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I love the Evnroll line but maybe try something less expensive in the recommended toe hang first? You can probably pick up a #9 from Callaway Pre Owned for less than $100

 

I think this is good advice. Maybe try to experiment a bit unless you have the cash to blow on an ER experiment.

 

I will also relay a story of when I went through a putter fitting at second swing. The fitter said he can dial in a driver in a very systematic way, but putters are very different.

 

Sometimes someones stroke says one style of putter but they pick up another and start draining them. They love the look at address and they feel like they can really see the line. So much of putting involves relaxing and having confidence that it is tough to argue with unquantifiable things like look and feel. Sometimes people come back and sometimes they hold onto it. 

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Probably not much help in you making a decision. But I think the SAM lab is a gateway drug to being a putter ho. Whether you see that as a positive or negative is up to you.

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Probably not much help in you making a decision. But I think the SAM lab is a gateway drug to being a putter ho. Whether you see that as a positive or negative is up to you.

Interesting assessment. I went the other way. I used to change putters all the time but after a review of my stroke on puttlab I have settled into a single putter. I may goof off with others but unless I find something that fits my stroke i generally won't buy. I guess I am now just a putter fan. [emoji16]

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I could easily see myself becoming a ho, but I try to keep things in a 5 year cycle. Driver one year, hybrid/fairway the next, irons, then wedges, and finally putter before starting all over again. Gives me something new to play with each year and gives technology in each area a chance to evolve. We will see if I have enough will power to keep it going after this ordeal...

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I figured you were thinking of something else. Either that or you've been drinking heavily and got some putter models mixed up.

Oh. Is that wrong?
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I have a strong arc according to the Ping software so I need a toe heavy putter.

 

I tried loads and the one I liked the best was a TaylorMade Spider mallet face balanced and zero toe hang- go figure. Feel over real.

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I have a strong arc according to the Ping software so I need a toe heavy putter.

 

I tried loads and the one I liked the best was a TaylorMade Spider mallet face balanced and zero toe hang- go figure. Feel over real.

What putter did you try with the ping app? Was it the mallet you chose and if not try the new putter and see if it still shows strong arc? The reason I ask is that the ping app measures rotation and not actual stroke arc. The spider may actually be a better fit for you and your stroke is more suited to the lower rotation of that putter.

 

This is related to my comment about puttlab, changing putters can change how your putter moves during the stroke.

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What putter did you try with the ping app? Was it the mallet you chose and if not try the new putter and see if it still shows strong arc? The reason I ask is that the ping app measures rotation and not actual stroke arc. The spider may actually be a better fit for you and your stroke is more suited to the lower rotation of that putter.

 

This is related to my comment about puttlab, changing putters can change how your putter moves during the stroke.

it was the ping anser 2. It stated I have a strong arc, I didnt know it measured rotation and not arc, whats the difference?

 

I was led to believe mallets suited a SBST stroke but it felt great when I tried a friends (who is an outstanding putter) so I bought one and my confidence is now very high, we'll see how it performs this season but it has to be better than my average of 37 putts per round last season. You cannot score well or even to handicap on 37 putts per round average.

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it was the ping anser 2. It stated I have a strong arc, I didnt know it measured rotation and not arc, whats the difference?

 

I was led to believe mallets suited a SBST stroke but it felt great when I tried a friends (who is an outstanding putter) so I bought one and my confidence is now very high, we'll see how it performs this season but it has to be better than my average of 37 putts per round last season. You cannot score well or even to handicap on 37 putts per round average.

 

Arc is the path that the putter travels on.  Rotation is how much the putter opens and closes during the stroke.  My guess is that if you tested your new face balance putter on the ping app you would now have less arc.   

 

The face balanced for SBST is a generally stated "fact" about putting.  In reality, the only way to be truly SBST is to manipulate the putter.  Think about the radius of a circle.  As the putter moves off of the 12:00 position toward 1:00,  it starts to move inside and for the putter to still be square to that path,  the putter has to rotate open.  The closer you stand to the ball, you generally have a smaller arc than if you stand farther away.  

 

The new trend in mallet putters is to have a flow neck to help this rotation.  All that being said, if the new putter is helping you start the ball on your intended line and you can control distance then it is the putter for you.  

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