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Trackman has some settings for ball type,  carry normalization, and indoor/outdoor.  You would have to make sure that the settings were identical on both launch monitors.  Could be that someone was just messing with the setup.  

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Carry can be adjusted by adjusting altitude and temperature in the settings

So taking this into consideration. Carry is set to players location.

The trackman carry number will equal the number it is supposed to on the ground?

 

 

 

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I can only really comment on the Trackman where my daughter works, and the numbers I get seem to agree with what I see from Arccos.

 

I do believe that some retailers juice their LMs to entice you to buy.

 

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Driver - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
4 Wood (17*) - :callaway-logo-1: Big Bertha S2H2 - RCH 90 "Firm"
7 Wood  - :callaway-logo-1: Big Bertha Warbird S2H2 - RCH 90 "Firm"
5i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
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My bad. Foresight GC (series)

 

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Yeah the foresight themselves can't be altered, but the display software can be.

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My bad. Foresight GC (series)

 

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Even more settings than trackman. I know On the go quad you can setup wind, ground firmness, weather, altitude, etc.

 

This is why when hitting outside the ball may plug in a wet range but the LM will show the ball rolling.

 

This is why most on here at being your own clubs so you can do a side by side comparison and test using the same setup. As you have seen even the one in the next hitting bay may be different.

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Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  Bellum Winmore 787

Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330, :taylormade-small:TM-180

 

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Even more settings than trackman. I know On the go quad you can setup wind, ground firmness, weather, altitude, etc.

 

This is why when hitting outside the ball may plug in a wet range but the LM will show the ball rolling.

 

This is why most on here at being your own clubs so you can do a side by side comparison and test using the same setup. As you have seen even the one in the next hitting bay may be different.

Precisely. No use ever trying to compare numbers across different launch monitors, or even the same launch monitor on different days.

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You could do the MGS style of comparing side by side by (not sure how) blindly alternating swings between your clubs rather than 5 swings with Option A and then 5 swings with Option B.

 

 

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From watching club review videos, my observation is that it is common for the numbers from Trackman , Quad etc... to inflate yardages (compared to what the player would likely produce on the golf course), by about 20%.

For example, if it is a teaching pro or other above average skill player swinging a 6-iron, the simulator numbers of 200 yards per shot would (on course) likely be 165-170 yards.

And higher handicap players not getting quality contact with a 7-iron, but still receiving simulator numbers of 155, I think on the golf course those mis hit shots would be in the 130-135 range.

My opinion on the above on course yardages come from experience playing golf with a wide range of players from Tour pro to club pro to long drive competitor to lots of amateurs with handicaps from 0 to 30 handicap.

I think the electronic measuring devices, simulators etc... are a separate game from real golf course. I am not sure , but I guess there are actually competitions where players may compete against each other on a simulator, and have fun doing so. So, to me, golf on the course is one game while golf using electronic measuring devices and simulators is a different game.

I know equipment companies, fitters, participants on internet discussion forums etc...believe that Trackman, Quad, simulators etc... provide a mostly accurate representation of real course golf shots, but the videos and screen shots I see online seem to inflate yardages by a significant amount. Not sure if this is due to the electronic technology just not being accurate, or if it is because the owner of the machine uses the machine settings which tend to produces inflated yardages, or both.

Launch monitors can be very accurate. Unfortunately in the Internet world people inflate their number. I have found that generally the numbers i see

On trackman and GC quad are pretty accurate for carry.

 

You assessment on carrying that over to a golf course is accurate as well. You still have to execute shots in the golf course and many times the best shot option is not a maxed out perfect launch condition shot.

 

There are balances between playing golf and evaluating numbers on a launch monitor. Golf requires decisions. Launch monitors just require you to hit the ball like on a driving range.

Driver:  :ping-small: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven
Fairway: :titelist-small: TS3 15* set  to 16.5* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke
Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
               :titelist-small: 915H 24*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
Irons:      :honma:TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite
Wedge:  :cleveland-small: 588 54-14, 58-12
Putter:  Bellum Winmore 787

Backups:  :bobby-grace-1: 6330, :taylormade-small:TM-180

 

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From watching club review videos, my observation is that it is common  for the numbers from Trackman , Quad etc... to inflate yardages (compared to what the player would likely produce on the golf course), by about 20%.

For example, if it is a teaching pro or other above average skill player swinging a 6-iron, the simulator numbers  of 200 yards per shot would (on course) likely be 165-170 yards.

And higher handicap players not getting quality contact with a 7-iron, but still receiving simulator numbers of 155, I think on the golf course those mis hit shots would be in the 130-135 range....

My last session on Trackman had my 8 iron carry distance at 156, and that's how I play it. Again, I can only comment on my own game and the Trackman at The First Tee of Richmond, but it is accurate.

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Now, the total distance is not correct, because we play bent grass greens with soil that's largely clay. Bent greens need to be kept wet to stay alive, and clay stays soft and sticky. So I'm not seeing the roll that this Trackman reports, but I don't care about that. If I need to carry the ball 150 (adjusting for wind and elevation), I know I can reasonably expect to do it with an 8. If I need to carry it 160, I'm hitting 7.

 

My opinion on the above on course yardages come from experience playing golf with a wide range of players from Tour pro to club pro to long drive competitor to lots of amateurs with handicaps from 0 to 30 handicap.

I think the electronic measuring devices, simulators etc... are a separate game from real golf course. I am not sure , but I guess there are actually competitions where players may compete against each other on a simulator, and have fun doing so. So, to me, golf on the course is one game while golf using electronic measuring devices and simulators is a different game.

I know equipment companies, fitters, participants on internet discussion forums etc...believe that Trackman, Quad, simulators etc... provide a mostly accurate representation of real course golf shots, but the videos and screen shots I see online seem to inflate yardages by a significant amount. Not sure if this is due to the electronic technology just not being accurate, or if it is because the owner of the machine uses the machine settings which tend to produces inflated yardages, or both.

Certainly, golf on a golf course is different from hitting balls on a launch monitor. Just like golf on a golf course is different from hitting balls on a driving range. Wind, slope, elevation change, etc. are all things you'll see on a golf course, but you won't see in a launch monitor bay or on a driving range (well, you'll see wind). But to say that there's no value to hitting on a launch monitor because you don't have those variables is like saying there's no value to practicing on a driving range. If I'm confident in my ability to carry an 8 iron 156 under perfectly controlled conditions, then I can start making adjustments for all the other variables when I'm on the course. If I don't really know how far I carry an 8, how can I be confident in any adjustments I make?

 

Have you hit on a properly calibrated Trackman or a GC Quad running the stock software (not a simulator, but the actual LM software) yet? I'd recommend doing it. I've seen lots of people have their eyes opened. And it's never because the machine is telling them they hit it farther than they think. It's always the reverse.

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What's in the bag:
Driver - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
4 Wood (17*) - :callaway-logo-1: Big Bertha S2H2 - RCH 90 "Firm"
7 Wood  - :callaway-logo-1: Big Bertha Warbird S2H2 - RCH 90 "Firm"
5i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
Bag - :1590477705_SunMountain: 2.5 (Black)
Ball -  :taylormade-small: TP5X Pix
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Twitter - @meovino
Facebook - mike.eovino

What's in timeout:
3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
4i - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )

 

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Without reading the entire three pages of responses:

Tools are only as good as the user. All need some sort of set up, altitude, soil condition, wind direction (if needed) etc. particularly if using indoors.

Then placement and or alignment once the settings are input. or indoor or outdoor.

After that, I can say that most will give reliable numbers and data.

If the unit is set up well then the numbers you saw are probably dead on.

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