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For the 6 rounds I've played with Arccos, it tells me that I have a 1.2 putting handicap.

 

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As Theedpat said earlier, I more than make up for this with lousy ball striking to bring my index up to 7.0. This does tell me that I should spend my practice time on the much weaker parts of my game, like driving and approach shots. I could easily knock a shot off my index by keeping the ball on the golf course for all 18 holes. I throw away at least one shot per round with penalties/pitch outs after bad drives.

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I sincerely thought this was a trolling thread when I saw it. I sincerely hope I'm right.

 

 

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why did you think it was and why are you hoping you are right?

 

 

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't do trolling threads. Ever.

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It just sounds so silly is all. Like click bait to get the rubes riled up.

 

Putting is by far the biggest way to improve scoring but how in the world would you handicap it? lol

 

You get 3 inches and I get 2? lol

 

If you sincerely aren't trolling I'm worried. If you are it's awesome

 

 

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If I could figure out how to manage my profile I would love to add my putting handicap lol. Driver handicap too. Bunker handicap or chipping handicap would be next. Draw vs fade imo is a biggie too. Then I add everything up and see what I actually didn't do in reality to tell folks I actually won🤪

 

 

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It just sounds so silly is all. Like click bait to get the rubes riled up.

 

Putting is by far the biggest way to improve scoring but how in the world would you handicap it? lol

 

You get 3 inches and I get 2? lol

 

If you sincerely aren't trolling I'm worried. If you are it's awesome

 

 

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How is putting “by far the biggest way to improve scoring”?

Also, this thread has been a pretty good discussion about putting, I too, struggle with understanding what putting HCP actually is, and how to use that information, do you have any useful information other than just trolling?

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How is putting “by far the biggest way to improve scoring”?

Also, this thread has been a pretty good discussion about putting, I too, struggle with understanding what putting HCP actually is, and how to use that information, do you have any useful information other than just trolling?

3 putts.

 

 

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I'm sorry but statistically that adage has turned out to be a myth. I have to call people on it every time it comes up because it stunts people's growth. The best players are the best ball strikers.

Driving is hugely important - typically you cover 60 percent of the golf course with your tee shots (including Par 3's). Putting covers 10 percent or less. It's not irrelevant but it is often over rated. Most shots played with putter could be played successfully with any club in the bag.

Beyond three putt avoidance putting is the one area that an amateur can be the equal of a touring pro. Do that and you will gain a few strokes per round. Drive it like a touring pro and you will gain way more. You will also become a better putter over night, shorter shots, closer to the hole, fewer putts.

You really need to find your true putting handicap. My suspicion remains that the original poster doesn't putt as poorly as he thinks. People have an over inflated view of what putt is makeable and where their 50/50 is. You need to know those things to reasonably manage expectations and to know what to practice - assuming you have a limited amount of practice time.

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100% this.

Ballstriking > Putting

People don't realize how low make percentages are even for pros. 3 putt avoidance is key for amateurs but people need to learn what is realistic as far as make percentages.

 

This is from 2010 on the PGA tour

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I swear, sometimes I don't know what to think about your analogies. :rolleyes:

What's a myth is the average weekend golfer being able to do anything with any vague comparison to that of a tour pro.

Fyi, amateurs stats closely mirror that of pros stats. They are just obviously worse by comparison.

This has been covered pretty extensively by some of the systems that ams use to help their games. Arcos, the grint, etc... Not to mention MGS' research and Mark Brodie's.

 

 

 

 

Edit: i have no stats for my own putting but I'd guess that it is somewhat around my actual handicap. I'm a streaky putter. My biggest struggle is reading grainy greens.

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The joy of stat tracking: I don't have to guess or have an opinion :-)

 

According to Game Golf, I'm a 15 handicap, but I putt as a mid-high single digit player. I'm slightly worse than the 5-handicap benchmark, but better than the 10.

 

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i depends on my round range in GameGolf. In the last 5-10 rounds I have seen an improvement as I have made a change in aiming. I am a 9.4 handicap and putt a little better than a 5 hndcp based. I am seeing improvemelsewhere recently and hope to see 8 and back to 7 range hndcp over the next couple months.

 

 

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i depends on my round range in GameGolf. In the last 5-10 rounds I have seen an improvement as I have made a change in aiming. I am a 9.4 handicap and putt a little better than a 5 hndcp based. I am seeing improvemelsewhere recently and hope to see 8 and back to 7 range hndcp over the next couple months.

 

One the great things about Game Golf (and other stat trackers) is that you can see the immense amount of fluctuation in certain stats from round to round. If you don't understand that the short-term stats are noise and the long-term stats are signal, you'd go nuts.

 

Putting is a stat that really goes up and down each round, because (no big news here) there's a huge difference between a round in which you're solidly two-putting everything, leaving gimmes on your first putts, and a round in which four of those gimmes end up dropping on the first putt instead.

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I am not sure what my handicap for putting is, but according to Golf Pad GPS, my Strokes Gained Putting -0.14 while Tee shots, Approach and Short game are all ~0.50

 

I am not sure how this is computed or how its accuracy, put I typically have around 36 putts for 18 holes with a few 1 putts and the odd 3 putt.

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3 putts.

Yes and no. Pros 3 putt nearly 10% of the time from beyond 25 feet (https://www.golftec.com/blog/2017/09/golf-stats-pga-tour-putting-averages/). If you're 3 putting 50% of the time from > 25 feet then yes, you can probably work on your lag putting and see a significant improvement in your scoring. If you're missing 25% of your 3 footers then again, you can see significant improvement just by working on your putting.

 

Once you get to being a competent putter, you're going to want to start devoting more practice time to ball-striking. You're going to have fewer putts per round by hitting better approach shots that finish closer to the hole (when they hit the green) and miss in better places (when you do miss).

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4i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
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Funny thing I was thinking of this morning. So yesterday my wedge game wasn't as good as usual, and I had hit a few more greens from further away, so I was facing longer putts. Normally average 13 putts per 9 at this course, yesterday I had 19. Got me thinking, how much of good putting comes from a better 2nd or 3rd shot vs actually putting ability

 

 

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Most golfers have it backwards. They focus on distance off the tee and the line of the putt. The fastest way to improve your scores is to focus on direction off the tee and distance on the green.

 

You generally do not miss the hole with a putt by 5-10 feet left or right, but you can easily be that much short or long. This leads to easily missing with the next putt. Also, hitting the drive 50 yards shorter or longer is not as punishing as hitting it 50 yards into the woods.

 

I'm just getting back to playing after an absence and luckily my putting was great since the first day back. My focus is mainly on hitting the tee shot straight, getting it close to (preferably on) the green, and then getting it close to the hole, either with the wedge or the putter, it doesn't matter, it counts the same. Then either getting the ball out of the hole or making that short putt.

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So if I have a 10ft putt and I'm a 2 handicap putter can I not take a 3 putt?

Can you? Absolutely! But it would be an oddity unless the putt is extremely difficult.

I don't have the stats but I'd guess a 2, would 3 putt from 10 feet around 3% of the time or so. Unless they are a bad putter in relation to their cap.

 

 

Edit: I've 3 putted from 3 feet as a 0 handi so it happens btw. 

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No offense, but shooting in the high 90s suggests you're not hitting many greens in regulation (if any) - and as a result it's easy to have decent putting stats if you're chipping on to most greens and leaving yourself comparatively short putts.

That's exactly my case. Sitting at a 16 index and about 25 putts per round. A lot of short putts thanks to good chips. And shoot anywhere between 80 and 90.

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That's exactly my case. Sitting at a 16 index and about 25 putts per round. A lot of short putts thanks to good chips. And shoot anywhere between 80 and 90.

opposite for me, averaging 36 putts per round and shooting avg 80 blows :(

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opposite for me, averaging 36 putts per round and shooting avg 80 blows :(

 

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That's exactly my case. Sitting at a 16 index and about 25 putts per round. A lot of short putts thanks to good chips. And shoot anywhere between 80 and 90.

25! you can't possibly average 25. That is a good above average day for a pro. That is 11 one putts a round and 7 two putts. That is not a lot of wiggle room.

 

 

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