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Interesting you don't like the i500 but do like the p790. I like both and I think the i500 provides the same performance as the 790 but presented in a better looking package

 

 

... Exactly why they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I put them side by side yesterday and the i500's are just so long from heel to toe and the thin topline creates the optical illusion that it looks even longer. But we are talking about why someone finds a Genesis G80 more attractive looking than a Lexus GS and vice versa. 

Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Orange 60s
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 7s
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Tensei Pro Orange 80 hy s-flex
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 110 s-flex 4 iron shaft
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

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... Pretty much what the OEMs tell you the benefits are. Longer, higher trajectory and less spin. I am playing the P790's and they are the first irons I have played without a trade off. Amazingly forg

He is talking like P790's, Forged Tec Black, Rogue, Epic, PXG, TMB. Basically hollow construction heads (sometimes filled with your favorite softer material) that have weight low in the head and stron

I own a set of Ping I500's and what I found was that spin changed quite a bit with ball changes. For example, My typical 7 iron spins around 5800-6000, with the i500's and my typical ball (TP5X) my sp

Personally I don't need any extra distance but I want something that has a “players iron” look to it with some added forgiveness. I'm honestly willing to try each and every iron model there is to offer and find the one that works best for me.

 

 

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... Fwiw, I hit my Cobra Forged Tour 7 iron about 165 and my P790 7 iron is my 175 club. Add in more forgiveness with the 790 and it was an easy call to make the switch from irons I have been playing the last 3 generations in the Amp Forged, Fly Z+ and FT's. But the real no brainer is the P790 long irons. I have put the 790 #4 and now the #3 irons back in my bag replacing either hybrids or thicker hybrid like UDi's because they are both very long and very forgiving.  

Did you find a problem in gapping to your wedges?

I like the sound of the 790's though but curious about the whole (steeper due to higher flight), instead higher spin, to hold greens concept.

Are they a little dicier in windy conditions? If you flight them down to cut thru wind, does that increase the spin?

 

But all things aside, they do sound like a nice  club to tradition into as I get a little deeper into my 60's... :(

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:Hogan: Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever)

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... Exactly why they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I put them side by side yesterday and the i500's are just so long from heel to toe and the thin topline creates the optical illusion that it looks even longer. But we are talking about why someone finds a Genesis G80 more attractive looking than a Lexus GS and vice versa.

Totally agree. It's what great right now with so many good options out

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Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

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Did you find a problem in gapping to your wedges?

I like the sound of the 790's though but curious about the whole (steeper due to higher flight), instead higher spin, to hold greens concept.

Are they a little dicier in windy conditions? If you flight them down to cut thru wind, does that increase the spin?

 

But all things aside, they do sound like a nice club to tradition into as I get a little deeper into my 60's... :(

I've always been a lower spin player so I'm used to using shot height for holding greens, especially with my irons. I can't say I've had any real problems. As long as the greens aren't rock hard then I tend to hold them pretty well.

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Did you find a problem in gapping to your wedges?

I like the sound of the 790's though but curious about the whole (steeper due to higher flight), instead higher spin, to hold greens concept.

Are they a little dicier in windy conditions? If you flight them down to cut thru wind, does that increase the spin?

 

But all things aside, they do sound like a nice  club to tradition into as I get a little deeper into my 60's... :(

 

 

... The pw took a little getting used to. I have mine bent to 46* so I have a 6* gap between my 46-52-58 wedges and it works well for me. It is a hair longer than previous pw's so I just had to dial in 3/4 and 1/2 shots.

 

... The wind is where these really shine. Because they spin less but launch higher, they are ideal for playing knockdown shots. As an example I played my Honma 737's a few weeks ago and had a 151 yd shot to a front pin dead into a 20+ mph wind. I played my normal knockdown shot and barely cleared the water 10yds in front of the green, because the Honma's sin more than my 790's and I am used to their performance. Even though they naturally launch high, they are very easy to hit low because they spin less.

 

... My occasional mistake was swinging a little too hard into the wind because taking a 3/4 swing I didn't always trust the ball will get to my target. Of course swinging harder just adds spin and results in a shorter shot into the wind. But the 790's cured me of that because with a nice controlled swing the ball flies low and really carries so I can trust it will get there. And I have had no problems holding greens either. Where I used to try and judge how spin will effect my shot and how much will it spin back, with the 790's they usually hit and hop then spin back to my ball mark, usually not past it. Or just release a little but almost always within a few yards of my ball mark. It has helped my iron game because I can pretty much trust the yardage I am hitting the ball, or as they love to say on TV it is like throwing darts and I don't have to calculate how spin is going to effect my shot. False front? Just make sure I play a yardage that carries it and I don't have to worry about spinning it back off the front. 

 

... But imo the main reason to love these distance irons is the long irons. They are almost like mini hybrids with the accuracy of an iron and th distance of a hybrid. Mid irons are just a little longer and agin it took a few rounds to get used to the added distance. My old 7 iron was a 165 club and my 790 7 iron is my 170 club. And similar to you at age 65 I was not gaining distance so I am very happy with additional length, especially the long irons with their added forgiveness. It is nice to stand on a 200 yd par 3 and know my 4 iron will carry the bunker, even if I mishit it a little. 

Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Orange 60s
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 7s
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Tensei Pro Orange 80 hy s-flex
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 110 s-flex 4 iron shaft
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

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Personally I don't need any extra distance but I want something that has a “players iron” look to it with some added forgiveness. I'm honestly willing to try each and every iron model there is to offer and find the one that works best for me.

 

 

... Exactly my thinking and distance irons were not on my list. And that is pretty much what I get to do every year on Demo Day at the PGA Show. Every new iron is available to hit with premium urethane balls and usually a variety of shafts. I make my way around the circle taking notes and narrowing down my choices to what I think is the best. And then make a 2nd circle and only hit my favorites. Good luck and have fun in your hunt finding what works best for you. 

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Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Orange 60s
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 7s
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Tensei Pro Orange 80 hy s-flex
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 110 s-flex 4 iron shaft
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

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Do the recoils mate well?

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:cobra-small: Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S

:cobra-small: F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R

:Hogan: Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever)

:benhogan-small: Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4

 :EVNROLL: ER3 34”

:titelist-small: ProV1x

:callaway-small: .Org 14 cart bag

Adidas Tour 360 shoes

 

 

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On 9/8/2018 at 6:44 PM, Sluggo42 said:

Do the recoils mate well?

 

... I have played Recoils in my last 3 sets so they mate very well in my P790's. I have a smooth transition and swing a driver at around 100mph for reference. 

Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Orange 60s
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 7s
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Tensei Pro Orange 80 hy s-flex
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 110 s-flex 4 iron shaft
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

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There's a set on eBay now with Steelfiber i95's (4-pw) starting at $500.

I just love my ap2's right now though as I'm just getting used to them, so I might have to wait another year. But it's never to early to start looking

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:cobra-small: Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S

:cobra-small: F8 5/6 wood on Aldila NxT GEN MLT R

:Hogan: Combo iron set -8,9,per Icon 5,6,7 PtxPro 4-UiHi on Recoil 780 ES f4 Stiff shafts (best clubs ever)

:benhogan-small: Equalizer 50°, 54°, 60° wedges on Recoil 780 f4

 :EVNROLL: ER3 34”

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Adidas Tour 360 shoes

 

 

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I switched from AP2 to AP3 and it has helped. I'm a little older, and the distance gaps work better for me with the AP3 than the AP2. I play a 48 degree vokey, and the AP3 PW is 43/44 degrees. This allows me to get my 5 iron to the 24/25 degree range, and space it properly.

 

Specifically, I am getting better launch for the distance. My 165 club is going higher with the AP3 than it did with the AP2, I don't have to work as hard to make it happen. I find that it sits softer and the control is good. With the AP2 I could just say that the clubs were one off due to loft, but that's really not the case, as the trajectory and launch are not the same. The AP3 comes off better for me.

 

It doesn't have the buttery soft feel of the AP2, but the feel is still very good.

 

My last 3 rounds from the member tees (6k yards) have been 72, 73, 71. My last round from the blue tees (6400 yards) was a 77. This is slightly better than my average was with the AP2.

 

In reality, I only use the iron from the set 10-14 times a round (other shots will be vokey wedges or fairway woods/utility irons), so the change isn't going to be massive. But the confidence and the way the set blends and flows is better now than it was.

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For what it's worth, I did not notice a major drop off in spin with AP3. I was still mid to high 6,000's with the 7 iron. I wasn't much different with that for the AP2. I have not noticed a drop off in terms of green holding performance. Not like I pull back 8 irons with the AP2 due to spin. The steeper descent probably helps stop it more than spin did for me.

 

And what was wild was that the TMB was almost identical flight as the AP2 for me. I thought that would get me some extra distance but it didn't.

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I own a set of Ping I500's and what I found was that spin changed quite a bit with ball changes. For example, My typical 7 iron spins around 5800-6000, with the i500's and my typical ball (TP5X) my spin rates dropped to around 4800-5000. Huge distance jump because of ball speed increase from the heads and spin decrease, but it was way too much of a jump. Seeing 7 iron going 200 carry was not something I was looking forward to on the course. So I changed to B330, and immediately saw spin jump to 6000+ with the same ball speed and my typical 7 iron was much more playable at 185 carry. The forgiveness is still there, and I have a much more repeatable flight/distance. I saw the same spin numbers with Titleist Pro V1x, Bridgestone b330s etc. Balls that were not playable due to spin drop were like Titleist AVX, Tp5, or TP5x.

So I guess what I'm saying here is, don't discount the irons just because of what you read on the forums. Ball choice is key in making these irons do what you want. All my data is from my GCquad, so its as accurate as can be. It took me a week of testing different balls before I had the winning combination.

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6 minutes ago, LoganT said:

@chisag are you still gaming the P790s? Just wanted to check in after some time and see how you were getting along with them

 

... I have 4 sets I rotate playing. I play P760's the most, then P790's especially in windy conditions, Cobra Forged Tours and Z Forged MB's the least. 

Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Orange 60s
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 7s
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Tensei Pro Orange 80 hy s-flex
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 110 s-flex 4 iron shaft
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

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On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 11:48 AM, chisag said:

... Pretty much what the OEMs tell you the benefits are. Longer, higher trajectory and less spin. I am playing the P790's and they are the first irons I have played without a trade off. Amazingly forgiving, a full club longer than my previous players irons, very accurate and launch high enough to stop on the greens with less spin than non distance players irons. I have added the 4 and 3 irons back into my bag, something I have not done in quite a few years as those slots were taken up by hybrids. But the P790 long irons are so forgiving with plenty of trajectory and longer than my hybrids. 

what else did you test prior to settling on the TM's? I am going to hit these this week so I'm curious what you found with some of the other offerings

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5 hours ago, Tsecor said:

what else did you test prior to settling on the TM's? I am going to hit these this week so I'm curious what you found with some of the other offerings

... Like I said earlier, I hit everything out there. I am of the opinion that most modern irons just come down to personal preference. 

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Driver:   Cobra Speedzone Xtreme 9* ... Tensei Orange 60s
Fw wood: Cobra Speedzone 14.5* ... Atmos TS Blue 7s
Utility:   Callaway Super Hybrid 17*   ... Tensei Pro Orange 80 hy s-flex
Irons:    4-Gw Titleist T100-S ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
Wedges:  SM6 52* F Grind ... Steelfiber 95 r-flex
                 SM7D & SM8M 58* ... Steelfiber 110 s-flex 4 iron shaft
Putter:  Newport 2.5 at 33.5"
Ball:  TaylorMade TP5

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11 hours ago, chisag said:

I am of the opinion that most modern irons just come down to personal preference. 

This is spot on. After researching and hitting many iron models it just comes down to what category of irons you’re looking for. There’s not much difference between any of the “players irons” “game improvement” “distance irons” etc etc...

now shafts, that’s a completely different story

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On 10/14/2019 at 7:41 PM, chisag said:

... Like I said earlier, I hit everything out there. I am of the opinion that most modern irons just come down to personal preference. 

Have you tried the PXG 0211's? How would you compare them to the TM 790's? Thanks

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