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... Driving irons are pretty hot right now. Many better players have dropped their hybrids and added a DI. For the right player a DI can be straighter, lower launching and just as long or longer than a hybrid that usually spins more and launches higher. 

... I am a better with irons than I am with woods and a DI has been a real boon to my game. But not because a DI is a superior option, I have just never hit woods as well as my irons. I found it very interesting that playing against the best players in the world, that hit their DI's 300 yds at times, Webb Simpson had 2 hybrids in his bag, a 20* and a 23.5*. The lowest iron he had in his bag was a 5 iron and he clearly was the best player for 4 days at the Players Championship.  

... So if you hit woods well and certainly better than your long irons, a hybrid is still a great option. If you hit irons better than woods a DI can be a real game changer. And if you have a good all around game hitting irons and woods equally well, demoing both a hybrid and a DI is a very good idea.  

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Exactly.  There is no absolute.

 

It also depends on what you are going to use the club for.  I wanted to us a DI so bad, but I just couldn't get consistent carry distance off the deck.  If I need a club to be a fairway finder off the tee and nothing else than a DI would work well for me, but I need it to be a bit more versatile.

 

I have been struggling for years trying to find a club in that spot that gave me everything I need.  Not only are their FWs, Hybrids, and DIs, but there are different types within each category.  There are hybrids that are more like FWs and hybrids that are more like irons.  I finally was able to find a hybrid that have me iron-like precision without sacrificing playability off different lies.

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... Driving irons are pretty hot right now. Many better players have dropped their hybrids and added a DI. For the right player a DI can be straighter, lower launching and just as long or longer than a hybrid that usually spins more and launches higher.

 

... I am a better with irons than I am with woods and a DI has been a real boon to my game. But not because a DI is a superior option, I have just never hit woods as well as my irons. I found it very interesting that playing against the best players in the world, that hit their DI's 300 yds at times, Webb Simpson had 2 hybrids in his bag, a 20* and a 23.5*. The lowest iron he had in his bag was a 5 iron and he clearly was the best player for 4 days at the Players Championship.

 

... So if you hit woods well and certainly better than your long irons, a hybrid is still a great option. If you hit irons better than woods a DI can be a real game changer. And if you have a good all around game hitting irons and woods equally well, demoing both a hybrid and a DI is a very good idea.

I have had this debate many times and here is what I have found out. If you are looking for something to hit into greens then a hybrid or wood is much better. If you are looking for something off the tee or play in the wind alot driving iron is best.

 

I also struggled with hybrids untill I got fit for one. So many are very upright and hook biased. I got into a model that is not hook biased and found it to be a life saver now.

 

I use mine more to attack greens so I prefer hybrids personally.

 

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Options are always a good thing.

 

I cannot hit hybrids. No matter what ones I have tried, I cannot do it. A driving iron is an interesting idea and probably something that would make sense for me to consider down the road.

 

 

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I have had this debate many times and here is what I have found out. If you are looking for something to hit into greens then a hybrid or wood is much better. If you are looking for something off the tee or play in the wind alot driving iron is best.

 

I also struggled with hybrids untill I got fit for one. So many are very upright and hook biased. I got into a model that is not hook biased and found it to be a life saver now.

 

I use mine more to attack greens so I prefer hybrids personally.

 

 

... Many of the current DI's are wider soled with weight low and rear and produce a high trajectory for those with higher swingspeed. I have no problem hitting my 19* DI high enough to hold the green and I can flight it low off the tee. But no doubt most will be better off with hybrids. 

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One of the things that makes golf good is the various options to setup a bag that works well for ones game.

 

And there's tour players that game “GI” clubs in the longer irons instead of a matching set long iron.

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Great post

 

We all swing the club differently and are fortunate to play the game at a time when lots of different options are out there.

 

The day of driver, 2 fairways, 3-PW, GW,SW or whatever form that standard bag took are long gone.

 

But it also means guys need to know their game. It may be romantic to want the latest Mizuno blade 2-PW. It may also be costing you strokes.

 

Know your game, know your numbers, know what types of clubs stand the best chance of performing for you.

 

That goes for putter too

 

 

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... Many of the current DI's are wider soled with weight low and rear and produce a high trajectory for those with higher swingspeed. I have no problem hitting my 19* DI high enough to hold the green and I can flight it low off the tee. But no doubt most will be better off with hybrids. 

Do you consider you swing speed to be higher than average?  Speed really helps peak height with low lofted irons.  Slower swingers, like me, might be better off with hybrids.  

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I love using the 3-iron from my Steelhead set as a driving iron, but realistically at 18 degrees, it's not easy to hit in any other situation. I do like having it for tighter holes or to layup with, but I don't think I'll ever want another low-lofted iron like this again. I have had hybrids in the past and done well with them, I would imagine a well fitted hybrid would be a better weapon for me. 

 

I think one of the reason that driving irons are becoming popular is that they are used on tour a lot. Lots of people consider themselves a step or two away from the big time, and therefore are going to play the equipment the pros use (blade irons, particular driver shafts, etc.). 

 

On another side, has anybody used the srixon one length driving iron? I feel like that thing might be fun at 7-iron length with driving iron launch and spin. 

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I hit my irons and woods about the same in terms of how well I hit them. I have a hybrid that I like, but I picked up a TM 3/driving iron the other day. It is straighter and definitely lower. I normally hit my hybrid about 215. I hit the DI for the first time on the course a couple days ago and blasted it 280. Now, it was a links style course so the fairways were running fast, but still... Going to play with it today on a parkland style course. I'll report back my findings.

 

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I understand that modern driving irons are advertised to have technology which makes achieving higher trajectory easier.

But my observation is that only very high swing speed players are able to achieve much shot height trajectory when playing a driving iron. Mostly I've seen low trajectory shots which bounce and roll, similar to traditional long iron shots.

For players who do not have especially high swing speed I think more consistent shot results, with reasonably high trajectory, are easier with hybrids or fairway metals.

They definitely require a center or very close to center strike and yeah usually a someone with a higher swing speed. Imo they are still a demanding club that offers a little more forgiveness over the typical 2-3 iron

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Do you consider you swing speed to be higher than average?  Speed really helps peak height with low lofted irons.  Slower swingers, like me, might be better off with hybrids.

 

... While I would not consider myself a high swing speed player, at 101-103 with a driver at age 65 I am certainly higher than average. And as stated earlier, iron swings are the strength of my game so a DI type club works well for me. While some play their DI's with iron shafts, I have a hybrid shaft in both of mine. I play 4-pw P790's with Recoil 95 stiff shafts and have a P790 3 iron with an Even Flow 85Hy shaft in R flex that I tipped to play halfway between R and S which gives me a higher flight than the Recoils would. 

 

... And I agree that most players are better off with hybrids, ether wood like or iron like. You could even make the argument that the 18.5* King Utility that I play with a Rogue Black 85Hy shaft is more iron like hybrid than DI, while the P790 19* 3 iron is definitely a pure DI. 

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Any recommendations on driving irons? I would like to try them

 

 

... The top of the list should include the King Utility that is adjustable and that can make a big difference in trajectory and one of the the reasons it is my favorite. Wilson FG Tour Utility, Mizuno MMC Fli Hi, Taylor Made original UDi and Srixon U45/65 are some that are on the more forgiving side of DI's. 

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I bag a 23* U45 and I love it as my 4 iron replacement. I had a 20* as well but it was a little too one dimensional and I struggled hitting it off the deck. I have yet to find a hybrid that I get along with but I really need to find one. Right now I have a gap from my 5 wood at 17.5 down to a 23 degree 4 iron/utility. I am really struggling with second shots on par 5's right now. I have the length to reach most in 2 but I am not hitting my approach clubs in accurate enough with enough trajectory to hold smaller greens.

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I bag a 23* U45 and I love it as my 4 iron replacement. I had a 20* as well but it was a little too one dimensional and I struggled hitting it off the deck. I have yet to find a hybrid that I get along with but I really need to find one. Right now I have a gap from my 5 wood at 17.5 down to a 23 degree 4 iron/utility. I am really struggling with second shots on par 5's right now. I have the length to reach most in 2 but I am not hitting my approach clubs in accurate enough with enough trajectory to hold smaller greens.

I was like you, my man. Then I found the Titleist h2 and gotta fitted for it. Now it's fighting to be my favorite club in the bag
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I was like you, my man. Then I found the Titleist h2 and gotta fitted for it. Now it's fighting to be my favorite club in the bag

I am going to have to give one of those a try. I have never hit a Titleist hybrid before that I can remember but those look pretty good.

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I am going to have to give one of those a try. I have never hit a Titleist hybrid before that I can remember but those look pretty good.

It's my first Titleist club ever other than wedges or putter.
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I am not consistent with either of the two off the deck. Currently looking into a fairway wood in the 21* loft area for my distance gapping.

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I've gone back and forth. When I got my set of irons, I hit the hybrid about as far as the 5 iron even though it was a 3 hybrid. So, I ended up getting a 4 iron (single club) thinking that would help with a bit of extra distance. I hit it pretty well but always low and if I wasn't ball striking well, it got ugly. Recently the hybrid after 2 years of closet duty has found it's way in my bag. I hit it whenever I need a high shot or need to place a tee shot. It basically replaced my 4 iron as the go to driving club that's not a driver or 3W. 

I'm constantly tinkering so it'll be interesting to see if I drop the 4 or 5i for the hybrid.

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