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Still a torn between the two. Leaning towards arccos' as I don't lobe wearing a watch. One of the most useful threads I've read!

I think we're in a really nice spot where both solutions are pretty solid, and the decision right now hinges on phone in pocket vs. watch on wrist. I'm very excited by the Arccos Caddie 2.0 announcement. 1.0 was not that thrilling to me, to be honest. Then again, I just put in enough rounds to get caddy data, so I haven't had much time to play with it. I'll be sure to put 2.0 through its paces (I have a feeling it'll be a requirement for the CCCII reviews but if not, I'll do it anyway).

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I use Arccos with android without data. Never used V2 (watches too small for old eyes). Phone is in front pocket so you grab it when you need to otherwise it stays there. Nobody has mention this but Arccos has tremendous support and response. In 18 months I have used it from new user & through upgrades they have always been there quickly to help with suggestions and fixes.

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Arccos caddie is Free now. It also works with the Apple Watch. I don't really love playing with a watch on and there are some bugs with the watch but the caddie feature is very cool and the more rounds you play he better the caddie advice is.

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I have had the ShotScope V2 for about a month and have @ 20 rounds downloaded.

 

A couple of overall comments:

 

The watch is very lightweight and fairly accurate.  Most holes are bang on, 2-3 holes at my home club are off by 5-8 yards.

 

The plugs are very lightweight and you don't notice they are present.

 

Tee shots and approach tracking is very accurate.

 

Putting and pin position not as accurate, usually have to minor edit 2-4 holes and major edit 3-6 holes after each round.

 

Software very stable and no bugs detected.  I prefer to use the website to edit the round, find it easier to use than the iPad app.  

 

I wish you could enter distance when editing putting, the drag and drop feature is not as accurate as I would like on 0-12 foot putts.

 

The stats are very interesting.  I noticed after the first 5 rounds that my chipping misses were short and left, immediately started working to correct.  Also noticed that my speed control was poor when putting off the green, again it gave me something to practice.

 

Overall it is a great product and worth the investment.  I have spent far more money on 3 woods and putters that go directly to the basement.

 

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My comment on ShotScope V2 is that it is very accurate but where you play will limit how useful some of the data is. Here in South Texas we have so much wind that it made the distance calculation somewhat useless. For instance last week I played back to back holes, one into the wind one with it. I hit a full 9 iron pin high from 125 one hole and a full nine iron pin high from 175 on the next hole. Both were good strikes. All of my rounds down here are like that so i just didn't find it that beneficial for me. The short game information on the other hand was very informative.


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I think we're in a really nice spot where both solutions are pretty solid, and the decision right now hinges on phone in pocket vs. watch on wrist. I'm very excited by the Arccos Caddie 2.0 announcement. 1.0 was not that thrilling to me, to be honest. Then again, I just put in enough rounds to get caddy data, so I haven't had much time to play with it. I'll be sure to put 2.0 through its paces (I have a feeling it'll be a requirement for the CCCII reviews but if not, I'll do it anyway).

Arccos is removing the need for the phone in the pocket with 2 options.

 

1) updated iPhone app that handles the gps requirement, release sometime soon

 

2) developing a small device to clip onto your belt. No need to tag any shots but the device is very small and unobtrusive. They say it's going to be released in the fall.

 

For me, that seals the deal as them being best in class. With caddie 2.0 (which is really cool), no phone or watch required unless you want it, and best in class IMO analytics at a reasonable $250ish price point with great customer service.

 

I will caveat that they may move away from 360 and focus on smart grips and annual subscription in the future (not saying they will but it's possible depending on how the smart grips sell)

 

 

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does anyone find the issue of using a phone on the course an issue.

I was looking at Arco and my understanding is you need to use the phone as well. the problem I see is that I can never see my phone display in bright sunlight


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does anyone find the issue of using a phone on the course an issue.

I was looking at Arco and my understanding is you need to use the phone as well. the problem I see is that I can never see my phone display in bright sunlight

Need to crank the brightness up. That and if you're wearing sunglasses it's going to make it darn near impossible to see the screen. Make sure you take the sunglasses off

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Great comparison ya'll.  I really want one of these types of devices where it'll track stats that can be used to find my biggest weakness.  I love the caddie feature too because lets face it we all make poor decisions on the course for some reason and it'll be sweet to know what my birdie percentage is on a par 5s going for the green vs laying up, etc.  So just like pros we have a vat of information we can pull and rely on.  Can't wait for the next versions to come out and perhaps they'll be more accurate, easier to use, less intrusive.  I'm leaning toward the watch at this time because I'm not going to remember to tag stuff and after the round go and edit while the wifes yelling and the babies crying.  I just don't have enough time to do all that LOL.


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I have not used the Arccos before....but I did just purchase the V2 and got it out on the course today for the first time early this morning. 
 
Fit wise, it's not as comfortable to wear as the Skycaddie Linx GT I had previously. The band has a more plastic feel and is hard to maneuver. That being said, it fits okay. I have a smaller wrist. Size wise, it's not ginormous....and after a few holes of messing with it to get it to fit right, it was fine.
 
GPS wise, it found the course in about 15 seconds. From there it was just swing. It had no issue tracking anything, which was amazing to me. The only thing you really have to do is to choose how many putts you had, while standing at the hole....which I only forgot one time. Other than that, this thing does everything on it's own. It's easy to see and distances were fantastic. Distances to hazards I still have to get used to as it seemed to struggle a tiny bit when there are multiple hazards in an area. I wasn't quite sure which point it was measuring to. But front/back/middle, it was great. The screen is extremely easy to see which is nice. 
 
I did have to make a few corrections as I hit one OB on 9 and didn't quite understand how to use the Provisional/Out Of Bounds/Penalty aspect of it....but that shouldn't be any problem moving forward. It was very easy to make those changes and look at everything through the app on my phone. The app itself is solid and easy to use. Really cool how well the map appears. I requested my home course be mapped and the next day, it was done. How great is that?!?!? Seems like it does keep your average score....although I'm not sure if it's for each course or overall. I'll see as I use it more throughout the season. 
 
Overall, it was pretty cool to use. I was surprised at how well it tracked everything. I kept a scorecard with fairways/GIR's/putts and it was correct on all of them. For my round, I went through about 50% of the battery...in about 3 hours. Not too shabby. 
 
I honestly can't wait to get back out and try it again tomorrow morning! :-) 
 
If you're on the fence and want to have GPS and game performance tracking, you've gotta give this thing a try! And you have 4 weeks to send it back if you don't like it....but I doubt that'll be the case. Very cool product. 
 
Hi,
 
thanks for the great review. Can I ask what phone you use for the app?
 
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Hi

 

Thanks for the great review. I'm thinking of getting the shot scope v2. Can I ask what phone you use for the app? Any trouble with the app?

 

Thanks

 

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Hi

 

Thanks for the great review. I'm thinking of getting the shot scope v2. Can I ask what phone you use for the app? Any trouble with the app?

 

Thanks

 

Reddotter

I used the Google Pixel for the app. No issues whatsoever. Been great so far.

 

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So, I've read the major Arccos/ShotScope thread and mined the internet for any useful opinions about both.  I want all the analytics of ShotScopt, but also the windspeed-direction/elevation data of Arccos.  Don't care about the Arccos club suggestions - I can do the math.  Does Arccos provide all the analytics ShotScope does?  What's lacking from Arccos from the data standpoint? Is the Arccos user interface lacking?  ShotScope's interface better/more useful?  

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If you look at the cobra connect challenge, I know long thread, but they have data break downs they release weekly. Something different every week.

 

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If you look at the cobra connect challenge, I know long thread, but they have data break downs they release weekly. Something different every week.

 

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We sure do. And I believe the Arccos review thread should be starting up pretty soon, so there should be a ton of good info there as well.


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2 Hybrid - Titleist 585 (17*) - Titleist 4175 ( R )
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I'd spend so much time trying to figure out the electronics that the physical golf shots would become an afterthought.

 

You know that I've got a flip phone, right?

 

If I ever get back onto the course, which is unfortunately looking like a pipe dream these days, I will seriously have to consider hickory.

 

If everything about you screams "dinosaur," it may be best to simply accept it.


 

 

 

 

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I'm a little late to this thread, but I've used both, so hopefully I can help. I used Arccos 360 for about a year, then switched over to Shot Scope v2 for the last couple months. They have had similar results, but there are definite pros/cons to each. It really comes down to personal preference -- right now, I prefer Shot Scope (mostly because of the tags), but I am considering giving Game Golf Pro a shot when it finally comes out in September (I switched to Shot Scope because of product delays with Game Golf, and there's no way I'm tapping before every shot like the old Game Golf requires). I'll separate them into a few categories that are important to me, giving a winner to each category:

 

***Important note: I made the switch without trying Arccos Caddie 2.0, so I don't what kind of improvements came with that.

 

 

 

Tracking Hardware: Toss-up. Arccos 360 requires a phone or similar device in your pocket; Shot Scope requires you wear their bulky (and ugly) watch. I'm not a fan of the phone in the pocket, especially the larger ones (I currently have a Pixel XL); as far as the watch goes, I normally wear my Garmin Fenix while playing, so the Shot Scope feel is fine with me, but I'd prefer to wear my normal watch (activity tracking, etc.). I've heard that Arccos is going to get rid of the phone-in-pocket requirement in the near future, but don't know when or how that is happening.

 

 

 

Tags: Shot Scope. This is the biggest deal for me. The Arccos tags are too big - they are noticeable as you grip the club (especially the putter tag, which is HUGE), and they add a counterweight to the club. Shot Scope's feel cheaper, but they are lower profile and lighter, so they don't get in the way as much as Arccos. If you want to track a different club, you need to reprogram your Arccos tag, while Shot Scope gives you a handful of extras.

 

 

 

Battery: Toss-up. Arccos drains my phone, especially if I do anything else with it, so I need to make sure it has a good charge before the round. Shot Scope seems to last 5-6 hours on a full charge. Neither would make it through 36 holes. I've heard reports that the Shot Scope watch battery drains when not in use, but I haven't seen that as an issue.

 

 

 

Software (General): Arccos. Both have a phone app providing sufficient functionality. Both have an online dashboard that shows more information than the app. The key difference is that Arccos can do almost everything in the phone app, while Shot Scope bounces between phone app, desktop app, and online dashboard to manage things.

 

 

 

Ease of Use - Startup: Arccos. With Shot Scope, you need to prepare courses in advance, first selecting courses then transferring to the watch. The transfer process is easy if you use the desktop app and cord, but wireless transfers are slow. With Arccos, you need to download the course to your phone, but I've done this many times on the first tee with no issue. Similarly, Arccos uses your phone's GPS, so it picks up location very quickly, while the Shot Scope watch sometimes takes a couple tries or a few minutes to figure out where you are (the last time I used it, it missed the whole first hole).

 

 

 

Ease of Use - Finishing the Round: Shot Scope. If you want accurate approach and short game stats with Arccos, you need to edit your round and place the hole location on each green (or do it from your phone mid-round), otherwise it just assumes center of the green. Shot Scope lets you do this on the course with the watch's PinCollect functionality, just pushing a button to mark the hole and the number of times you hit the putter.

 

 

 

Accuracy: Toss-up. Other accuracy data: Both seem to miss a similar number of shots. Both have picked up on movement that is not a swing (e.g. knocking sand off of my shoes after a bunker shot tagged a swing outside of the bunker). Neither have done all that well adjusting to knockdowns, punch shots, etc. Shot Scope asks you how many putts you have on each hole, while Arccos requires that you set up to every putt to track them (even then it misses some short ones), or just add the tap-ins later.

 

 

 

Statistics: Arccos (again, I have not used the new Arccos Caddie 2.0 features, so they may have even more to offer now). Most of the stats are comparable -- they both track actual distances and perform some analysis to give you true expected distances for the clubs; they both track proximity (as noted above, Shot Scope is more automated, Arccos is a bit of work); they both drill down into stats for specific clubs. Both have a good amount of statistics in the app, and both have better statistics on their web dashboard. The thing that gives Arccos the leg up is that they compare to other golfers (I assume) to assign handicaps, not just overall but also per category (and per round), which is useful information for game improvement (I haven't found similar Shot Scope functions). For example, it says I'm a 1.5 (actual index 2.8), but also shows that my approach shots are about scratch, while my sand skills are more in line with a 14. For round-by-round, in one round it says I hit approaches like a +4 but putted like a 30 handicap; in another, I drove it like a 13 but chipping and putting were close to scratch (both scores ending up roughly the same). It's not actionable data, just good to know.

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Hey guys, as somebody looking to get into this type of device in the future, this thread was super informative. 

I had a GPS watch that I foolishly lost this summer, and from that point on used the free GPS/shot tracking app from 18birdies. I definitely did not enjoy the constant in and out of the pocket with the phone, so I think shot scope may prove to be a better option for me. I am just combing through the MGS forum reviews now. Thanks all for contributing!


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3 hours ago, newballcoach said:

Hey guys, as somebody looking to get into this type of device in the future, this thread was super informative. 

I had a GPS watch that I foolishly lost this summer, and from that point on used the free GPS/shot tracking app from 18birdies. I definitely did not enjoy the constant in and out of the pocket with the phone, so I think shot scope may prove to be a better option for me. I am just combing through the MGS forum reviews now. Thanks all for contributing!

Hope the reviews shine some light for your purchase.  I tested the Shotscope and will be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have.

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I've told my wife I would like either an Arccos or Shotscope on my Christmas list, but have not told her which yet. I need to take the time to re-read all the reviews to figure out which might be the best choice for me.

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