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2 hours ago, MaxEntropy said:

I've told my wife I would like either an Arccos or Shotscope on my Christmas list, but have not told her which yet. I need to take the time to re-read all the reviews to figure out which might be the best choice for me.

Not sure if Shotscope is still running the special, but they had v2 on sale for $189 last week.

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On 11/28/2018 at 4:21 PM, JohnSmalls said:

 Hope the reviews shine some light for your purchase.  I tested the Shotscope and will be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have.

I was wondering how the "pincollect" button works. I understand I press a number for the corresponding # of putts I took. How does that determine where the pin was? Do I have to input that manually? I read your review and I had a concern about having to constantly edit the data post-round, doesn't seem to be a major issue. 

I enjoy using the watch for GPS, the phone is not as seemless for me. Shotscope seems to be the best alternative for this method. And is not more expensive than a regular GPS watch either which seems crazy!

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44 minutes ago, newballcoach said:

I was wondering how the "pincollect" button works. I understand I press a number for the corresponding # of putts I took. How does that determine where the pin was? Do I have to input that manually? I read your review and I had a concern about having to constantly edit the data post-round, doesn't seem to be a major issue. 

I enjoy using the watch for GPS, the phone is not as seemless for me. Shotscope seems to be the best alternative for this method. And is not more expensive than a regular GPS watch either which seems crazy!

With Pincollect, you simply hold your hand over the cup once you've holed out and press the button for your number of putts. The GPS then records the location of the pin along with the putts. It's reasonably accurate - I've had to move the pin a little afterwards, but for civilian GPS, it's not bad. 

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7 hours ago, GolfSpy Barbajo said:

With Pincollect, you simply hold your hand over the cup once you've holed out and press the button for your number of putts. The GPS then records the location of the pin along with the putts. It's reasonably accurate - I've had to move the pin a little afterwards, but for civilian GPS, it's not bad.  

Thanks for the explanation of the real-world process. I had read about it a few times but couldn't picture it. That seems fantastic

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12 hours ago, newballcoach said:

Thanks for the explanation of the real-world process. I had read about it a few times but couldn't picture it. That seems fantastic

Barbajo beat me to it and as he said the pincollect does work well.  It took me about 3-4 holes to get used to doing it, but it has become routine.  In fact, I found myself trying to pincollect the other day when I forgot to grab my Shotscope.

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Can anyone tell me whether you have to wear the watch or can you keep it in your pocket or belt loop?  SSv2 looks to be exactly what i want except for wearing it on my wrist.

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1 hour ago, Rivebowls said:

Can anyone tell me whether you have to wear the watch or can you keep it in your pocket or belt loop?  SSv2 looks to be exactly what i want except for wearing it on my wrist.

It does have to be on your wrist. The official review goes over it more in detail but it has to be within a certain distance of the sensor on the top of the grip

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1 hour ago, Rivebowls said:

Can anyone tell me whether you have to wear the watch or can you keep it in your pocket or belt loop?  SSv2 looks to be exactly what i want except for wearing it on my wrist.

 

9 minutes ago, Apolloshowl said:

It does have to be on your wrist. The official review goes over it more in detail but it has to be within a certain distance of the sensor on the top of the grip

It must be within 10cms of the sensor at the top of the club. Wrist is the only place I'm afraid.

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Just to chime in on game golf, I've been using live since last may and since November have had nothing but problems.  It's to the point now that I can't even upload any of my rounds and have been round and round with customer service and keep hearing there will be a new app update each time it updates I still cannot use my product.  I guess I would be leary of waiting for game golf pro when they cannot even support the current line of equipment that they sell  

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I'm a huge proponent of ShotScope over Arccos.

When I'm on the course, my phone is usually turned-off - I'm golfing - my phone in the bag for emergency situations only.

For those concerned about wearing a 'watch' on the course: it's very lightweight. Tanning cream covers the untanned part of my wrist 😉

I would like for ShotScope to introduce V3 with (1) a quality, functional, REAL-watch option - not just just some plastic/rubber housing that isn't functional anywhere else but on the course, and (2) a Caddie platform - a la Arccos - that would suggest clubs-for-shots...based on my shot data.

 

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On ‎12‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 1:27 PM, CudaKota66 said:

I'm a huge proponent of ShotScope over Arccos.

When I'm on the course, my phone is usually turned-off - I'm golfing - my phone in the bag for emergency situations only.

For those concerned about wearing a 'watch' on the course: it's very lightweight. Tanning cream covers the untanned part of my wrist 😉

I would like for ShotScope to introduce V3 with (1) a quality, functional, REAL-watch option - not just just some plastic/rubber housing that isn't functional anywhere else but on the course, and (2) a Caddie platform - a la Arccos - that would suggest clubs-for-shots...based on my shot data.

 

I just pulled the trigger on a Shot Scope.  Both systems have their pros/cons.  I thought the ability to "tag" the hole-location was a big advantage and I didn't really want to rely on my phone either.  The Caddie feature would be nice but wasn't the main reason I wanted a tracking system.  I haven't used it yet so I can't speak to what I think of its functionality. 

FYI - Shot Scope V2 is on sale through 12/24/19 for $119 vs. regularly $159.

 

 

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Finally repurchased Arccos during their Black Friday sale. Got it off Amazon with a small portable phone charger for $185. Logged my first round with it yesterday and it performed significantly better than prior experience told me it would. Aside from one instance where I knew it would miss a few tags (trying to hack my way out of some brush without much luck), I think it only missed maybe two shots that were easily fixed while on course and post round. Still really looking forward to the addition of Arccos Link when it comes out, but overall I'm pleased. 

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I have used the gen1 Arccos system for about 3 years now and really liked it. Gen2 is touted to be better, but I liked the idea of me managing the batteries. Anyway, I always reviewed my shots after each hole and most of the time it captured everything. The putter sensor was the least likely one and the putting distance would be suspect. Anyway, most, if not all of the issues or concerns I had went away with shotscope v2. It captured everything. I had to get used to the pin collect process, but that was easy. And the big advantages with v2 were the watch with yardages and you did not have to have your phone near you.

Since purchasing the v2, two things have made the choice harder. One major drawback for me on the v2 is that you do not know your score or number of strokes captured by the watch until after the round. I find myself entering that in another device. A major advantage for me on the gen1 is that now my watch can display the Arccos info. So, I may be selling my v2 shotscope if that setup works as I think it will. 
 

In conclusion, both are worthy and provide similar if not identical info. There are differences in presentation. If you want the convenience of a watch, you need to buy or own a particular smart watch for the Arccos. If you want a live scorecard, you’ll need to record it elsewhere for shotscope. If you don’t mind carrying your phone, the Arccos app has it all and is very, very good. As you can see, I’m torn between the two right now. Still testing both.

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Hi All,

 

I had been using Arccos 360 for about two years - it was a cool experience but not without issues - some were my fault, some were not 🙂  First, Arccos golf support was always incredible - in fact received emails on days when the data that got posted was so strange they wondered if I was having difficulties.  I was in fact having difficulties, which is an issue in itself, but the immediate follow up was impressive.  My main issues with Arccos were four things: First, on my course, holes 1 and 10 are reasonably close together and sometimes Arccos would get confused where I was - and if I didn't check phone to see which hole it was selecting then problems could arise.  This caused me to become a more distracted golfer since I now needed to more actively monitor what was happening to save potentially + large editing pain later.  Second, the lack of pin seeking was an issue since it was always a required edit fix.  They added a feature where you could mark a flag, but that didn't work out well for me.  Thirdly, the Putter sensor could not be installed on the superstore grips with the counterweight capability - although that has now been rectified with a new sensor strategy (for purchase) that becomes a part of that counterweight configuration - kinda cool actually.  Lastly, having to have a phone in my pocket wasn't an issue for me, but as in 2 above, it contributed to me being a more distracted golfer.  They have announced for over a year that a new belt clip thing (like Game Golf only better) would be arriving, but that has continuously been pushed out due to difficulties of some sort.  The data was great and was helpful in getting a more holistic view of my golf game in a relatively unbiased manner. This is based on about 120 rounds of recorded golf.

But one day found a used Shot Scope V2 set cheap - and decided to try.  At first glance, if I had to compare, Shot Scope is like Microsoft windows and Arccos Golf is like Mac 🙂  The watch is totally geeky and really quite ugly, but that tags are smaller and don't act like a feature in themselves - no green colours 🙂  In use I found Shop Scope to be nearly flawless PROVIDED I understood how it worked.  For example, for penalties etc, its very helpful to understand how to manage them as you play  - retrospective rising is possible but I just found it to be messier.  Related, Shot Scope, unless I am wrong which is highly possible, interprets approach shots in a slightly different way.  Example - on a par five it seemed to think my second shots were approach shots instead of layups - they call layups etc "positional" shots - which you have to mark to get the data correct.  Same is true for punch outs and other "other" shots.  I found this strange given that it seems like a relatively easy rule to implement.  The pin collect feature, which took me some repetitions to add to my putting routine , was pretty good and simplified post round editing by a lot. This summary is based only five rounds of golf.

 

Given the low sample size for my Shot Scope experience, it seems like Shot Scope is easier to use since for me, it was functional within five rounds - the same wasn't true for Arccos.  Both solutions presented  common data and the also have different approaches - not sure which I like better yet but a combination of the two would be close to ideal I think.

If you have two sets of clubs, Shot Scope makes that easier to manage (kinda).  The Arccos solution to the problem is to have two user Accounts - that is also an option in Shot Scope - but this doesn't help total stats view for all rounds but does help segregate data between sets of clubs.  Shot scope allows a group of clubs to be added to your bag before play.  So you can choose which clubs you re playing and the data remains with the clubs - which was nice since you get best of both worlds.  But this also means you can easily have two drivers, two putters etc and be able to compare stats across clubs in the context of a single bag - a nice implementation I think.  Im not sure yet, but I have seen the Shot Scope tags more likely to get dislodged in more soft, rubbery grips than the Arccos tags.

 

So I guess It seems like Shot Scope is my preferred option - in any event the data from either is helpful in many ways and I dont think i'd like to play without any such system anymore - it has really helped me understand the patterns in my game.

 

Play well folks

 

 

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17 minutes ago, taskerc said:

Example - on a par five it seemed to think my second shots were approach shots instead of layups - they call layups etc "positional" shots - which you have to mark to get the data correct.  Same is true for punch outs and other "other" shots.  I found this strange given that it seems like a relatively easy rule to implement.  The pin collect feature, which took me some repetitions to add to my putting routine , was pretty good and simplified post round editing by a lot. This summary is based only five rounds of golf.

 Im not sure yet, but I have seen the Shot Scope tags more likely to get dislodged in more soft, rubbery grips than the Arccos tags.

The positional function of SS makes sure your yardage averages don't get screwed up (punching out 50 yards vs 170 yards). I don't think this can be implemend as a rule, since SS has no way of knowing whether Player A will always attack Par 5's with the second shot or Player B is such a short hitter that he decides to layup even on Par 3's. Only the player knows how that specific shot was meant to be played.

I got SS since V1 and so far none of the tags has fallen off, sturdy as hell.

Would suggest you also take a look at SS V3, which is set to release in May 2020, also supposed to be more accurate GPS-wise and slimmer and better looking.

 

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