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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/bizarre-turn-in-story-of-dqed-high-school-golfers-players-administrators-say-rules-official-told-them-to-hit-from-wrong-tee-then-denied-it/amp

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Whoa whoa whoa. This is something new. And bizarre. And tragic. And disappointing.

 

The article itself is a great read and totally worth your time but I'll give you all the Cliff Notes in case time is not on your side.

 

-Oregon High School State Tournament (Blue Tees)

-Group approaches 13th (unlucky 13!) tee

-Blue tees are playing 212 but scoresheet states 175

-Group asks coach who asks rules official

-Rules official tells this group, along with the next 2 groups to play from the Red (172) tees

-Different rules official sees the third group play the hole and calls them on the infraction

 

 

......and then the drama starts.

 

The 12 golfers heard nothing of the matter until after they had entered their scores and the leaderboard was posted with DQ next to each of their names. When questioned, the first official denied telling them to play the wrong tee. DENIED IT. How childish is that!? Man.....

 

This whole encounter is bizarre. It's tragic because the high school kids were robbed of a finish at the tournament (some may have even been seniors). It's disappointing because the guilty party didn't own up to his mistake.

 

Isn't this what golf is supposed to be about? Honor, integrity, and owning up to your mistakes?

 

The course has egg all over their face right meow because that's a hell of an oversight by the course to either mark the scorecard wrong or place the tees inproperly. The USGA said 'too bad' because the kids technically didn't play the course. In their defense, there would've been no solution they could've come up with (aside from turning back time) that could've kept all parties involved happy.

 

 

 

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Thanks for posting the article Stud, this is a bizarre incident that could have been avoided. Not coming to anyone's defense, but I. Am pretty sure the kids had never played combo tees in a tournament so that should have been suspect for the coach. USGA does state that you may replay the Hole if accidentally you used the incorrect tee.

 

 

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The bum that gave them all the wrong information and then denied doing it should be stripped of any credentials and banned from officiating again.

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If I'm the marshall, I own my mistake and intercede on the behalf of the players. Not that it will change anything. The rules are the rules, and it's the player's responsibility to know them. Which is why the way the kids handled it is really impressive.

 

The sad thing here is that the regular scorecard is proofread thoroughly and used mainly by chops and hackers who play for fun and don't strictly follow the rules. Tournament cards can't get that level of attention but have so much more riding on them. I hope tournament organizers start noting on rules sheets that scorecards may be inaccurate. Play the designated tees regardless.

 

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The insistence of no wrongdoing by the volunteer is rediculous in the face of multi-faceted corroboration. Fortunately this story is getting the oxygen it needs to avoid penalizing the kids long-term

 

 

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This is the kind of nonsense that makes my blood boil. Common sense is thrown out the door while the players actively pursued the correct tee. The rules of golf are an antiquated mess.

 

 

 

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The official who denied saying it is a coward for not owning up to his ruling.

 

The ids did the right thing by asking but on the other hand the entire tournament was being played from the blues and I would have assumed in that situation to play blues an may have considered talking to the group about playing a ball from the red and recording both scores than clarify at the scorers tent.

 

It does suck that the boys got dq'd over a mistake made by either who ever did the score card and/or placed the tee markers and the rules officials

 

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The real head-shaker is the lack of honesty on the part of the officials.

 

Let's get real here folks. The stakes are incredibly low. Just step forward and say, "You know what I made bad call and screwed up when I told them to tee from the reds. I feel terrible I'm sorry." At least the players would feel some vindication despite being DQ'd. The lack of honesty is the real insult.

 

I'm not surprised the kids looked at the scorecard yardage. You think a high schooler loves hitting from 212 when he can hit from 172. Plus you look at the scorecard ahead of time in a tourney to plan out your round—on the drive up to the new course. Then you show up and see the hole is 40 yards longer - you start asking questions.

 

Plus a high school kid is going to do what an adult tells them.

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At the end of the day it's nice to read that the kids took the high road and took it in stride....but imagine if this was a US Open qualifier?

 

A couple things stood out... 

1 - for a state tournament why do you have volunteers....and volunteers that don't know what they're doing?

 

According to Pete Weber, Oregon School Activities Association executive director, the rules official on the 13th hole was a volunteer

 

2 - wrong.... this is exactly the point; golf is a sport of integrity and honesty (you call penalties on yourself!) so those that weren't honest need to be held accountable.

 

"Focusing on who said what to whom at what point or assigning blame to the players and/or adults misses the point."

 

A huge lesson learned by not only the kids involved but everyone in any sort of golf tournament that means something.  If there's a situation where there is confusion involved HOLD UP THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT to get an absolute and clear decision from the lead rules official (or whatever they're called) so there is utterly no ambiguity once the round is over.

 

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This is why I never look at the yardage on the scorecard. This is called "setting up the course." The tees aren't going to be in the same place every single time. These kids are old enough to to figure out which tees to play from. If they say blues, play the blues. No questions asked. Seems like a silly mistake that could have easily been avoided.

 

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One thing I just thought about.....

 

That group said they were the 7:57 tee time which probably means that nearly the entire tournament was behind them. Could you imagine if Rules Official B never came through to identify the infractions? Or if he'd come through another 30 minutes later?

 

You'd have a situation where most of the tournament participants are DQ'd due to Rules Official A's gaff since he was actively directing players to the red tees. Now THAT would've been a precedent setter. Common sense would be to have the whole tournament play the 13th over. Oh man the drama would be palpable as the groups go back through there. Especially if the leaderboard is tight.

 

Knowing USGA, that could just as easily end up prohibited in lieu of an extremely limited field (or vacant) champion citing "rules are rules". That would be a weird trophy to display for whoever came out on top of that.

 

 

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One thing I just thought about.....

 

That group said they were the 7:57 tee time which probably means that nearly the entire tournament was behind them. Could you imagine if Rules Official B never came through to identify the infractions? Or if he'd come through another 30 minutes later?

 

You'd have a situation where most of the tournament participants are DQ'd due to Rules Official A's gaff since he was actively directing players to the red tees. Now THAT would've been a precedent setter. Common sense would be to have the whole tournament play the 13th over. Could you imagine the drama as there groups go back through there? Especially if the leaderboard is right.

 

Knowing USGA, that could just as easily end up prohibited in lieu of an extremely limited field (or vacant) champion citing "rules are rules". That would be a weird trophy to display for whoever came out on top of that.

 

 

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I've never played high school golf or played in a tournament so this may be a little off base, but shouldn't there be a disclaimer that if there are any discrepancies or questions at any point in time during the tournament then ask person "X" and whatever their decision is becomes binding?

 

I realize that common knowledge is to check with a rules official but it seems that unless things are in writing nowadays they really have no meaning.

 

BTW - if the 'volunteer' on 13 wasn't sure why couldn't he just say hang on, get the head dude on the horn and get a ruling ???

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Wow. I had seen the story before but the volunteer official giving bad info and not owning up is huge. Completely changes things. I feel terrible for those kids.

 

 

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This is an unfortunate event and the volunteer should be ashamed of himself. I hope he has trouble sleeping at night. That being said IT IS the responsibility of the player to play the correct tees. This is something you learn as you gain experience as a tournament player. If nothing else they should have invoked rule 3-3 and figure it out at the end. Never compare scorecard yardage to actual yardage on course, it changes too often. The only blame to place on the rules of golf is the fact that once the course is setup it cannot be changed. Common sense says that since the first 3 groups played the wrong tees that the tees would have been moved and everyone would have played from those tees. 

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To answer your question, an on course decision (right or wrong) made by an authorized Official is binding. For example, en route to winning a US Open an on course official wrongly gave Els line of play relief from a movable obstruction. Since the mistake was made by the Official, Els was not penalized for his breach of the Rules.

Regarding the Oregon high school play situation, I read the story as a "volunteer" (not necessarily a Rules Official) was on the course giving guidance to the players and coach (es). If in fact this volunteer had no Rules Officiating authority, then his guidance and, or, decision would not protect the players from a breach of the Rules.

 

That being said I think that the coach of the team is getting a big pass here.... if he had prepared his team for things like this I don't think they'd be in this predicament.

 

He's probably not a Patriots fan though - coach Belichick prepares his team for every single possibility .... like the Seahawks passing at the goal line instead of running the ball.  :lol:

 

But seriously - the coach deserves some of the blame.

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I believe the author of the story wrote that it was the first group out (and the two groups that followed them), so a total of 12 players, who were disqualified.

I think they were playing three to a group because I thought I read somewhere that four full groups were DQ'd.

 

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I coached HS golf for a few years and I'm 100% not surprised at this.There was such a lack of organization at all tournaments that everyone just sort of hoped for the best. It seems that there is a very easy answer to avoid this sort of confusion and that is quite simply to remove the other tee markers before the tournament tees off. There are already volunteers out there so just send one in a cart to move all other markers off to the side then go back and replace them after the event moves through.

The official in question has shown very poor judgment and character and should be banned from future events. The cover up is always worse than the crime, just admit you screwed up and take the heat for it.

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I coached HS golf for a few years and I'm 100% not surprised at this.There was such a lack of organization at all tournaments that everyone just sort of hoped for the best. It seems that there is a very easy answer to avoid this sort of confusion and that is quite simply to remove the other tee markers before the tournament tees off. There are already volunteers out there so just send one in a cart to move all other markers off to the side then go back and replace them after the event moves through.

The official in question has shown very poor judgment and character and should be banned from future events. The cover up is always worse than the crime, just admit you screwed up and take the heat for it.

That's a very good point. Heck, I've played in charity scrambles with just one set of tees out there. Being a state tournament, there's probably enough participants that the course is basically shut down for the day anyway......which would make it even easier to do this.

 

 

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I coached HS golf for a few years and I'm 100% not surprised at this.There was such a lack of organization at all tournaments that everyone just sort of hoped for the best. It seems that there is a very easy answer to avoid this sort of confusion and that is quite simply to remove the other tee markers before the tournament tees off. There are already volunteers out there so just send one in a cart to move all other markers off to the side then go back and replace them after the event moves through.

The official in question has shown very poor judgment and character and should be banned from future events. The cover up is always worse than the crime, just admit you screwed up and take the heat for it.

Your teams were lucky to have someone like you as a coach. My HS coach never played a round of tournament golf in his life. Same for my daughter's coach.

 

In general, HS golf is not well coached.

 

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Your average person reads this story and is turned off about golf. These kids got screwed. What happened last year to Lexi Thompson was a travesty. Guys getting penalties for s*** people see on TV... GFY.

 

Did they tournament hand them something other than the golf courses own score cards? If so, why? And if every other player in the tournament played from a tee box that 20yrds longer than the published hole distance on the official card, aren't they in violation?

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Your teams were lucky to have someone like you as a coach. My HS coach never played a round of tournament golf in his life. Same for my daughter's coach.

 

In general, HS golf is not well coached.

 

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This story is fantastic in the multiple story lines and angles you can take. From blame throwing, to admiration for the reaction of the players, to gripes about ancient rules, it is incredible.

 

At the end of the day, HS sports is about teaching young people how to deal with and prepare for the world. Also, it reveals character. It is a shame that those 12 students had their season end in that fashion, but it is such a reflection on the real world. So many times you can receive advice from well meaning people that ends up being totally incorrect. I hope that the young people are able to learn and grow, and the adult make things better in the future by using many of the common sense ideas mentioned in this thread.

 

 

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I think it's helpful to remember that this situation was caused by three inexperienced people at the par 3 13th hole tee box:

 

#1) the high school player who questioned whether the 13th hole blue tee blocks were correctly positioned. 

 

#2) the coach who did not know enough to tell the player that the Rules for the day were to play from the blue tee blocks

 

#3) the volunteer marshal/spectator who for some reason believed he was authorized to offer guidance

 

Forgot one...

 

#4) the golf superintendent who set the course up for tournament play.  If he had the tees in the right spot to begin with #1,#2,#3 become irrelevant

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Irons- XXIO X (6-A)

Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58)

Putter- Bettinardi BB56
Ball- Maxfli Tour X/Wilson Triad
Buggy- Clicgear 4.0
Bag- Callaway Org 14/Fairway C

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Yes, the easy answer is to have an official marker of some type that is easily recognizable. Couldn't cost much to cut up a bunch of 2x2s and paint the host schools initials on it.

They already have this. It's called the Blue Tee Marker. It was at the top of the tournament rules sheet. Quail Valley has a top notch staff, and outstanding pro, Doug Hixson.

 

It's a terrible situation for the high school kids. No doubt about it.

 

The lesson here is, read the rules sheet.

 

 

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Your average person reads this story and is turned off about golf. These kids got screwed. What happened last year to Lexi Thompson was a travesty. Guys getting penalties for s*** people see on TV... GFY.

 

Did they tournament hand them something other than the golf courses own score cards? If so, why? And if every other player in the tournament played from a tee box that 20yrds longer than the published hole distance on the official card, aren't they in violation?

 

Yes, the easy answer is to have an official marker of some type that is easily recognizable. Couldn't cost much to cut up a bunch of 2x2s and paint the host schools initials on it.

I think the issue is that prior to the first tee, at the tournament meeting, ALL coaches and players were given rules sheets, and they were ALL told that the tournament would be played from the blue set of tees. I think since they were given some incorrect information by an “official” voluntary or not, they should have been able to redo the hole.

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